I will finish replying to isayhellos post:
But sex has been, and is still in many ways, sort of taboo in JApan And that is why, I think, there is also such a massive industry for the same; sex - or porn. If you can't have something, and want it really bad, once you get your hands on it - you might want it soo much you'll exaggerate it.
Interesting point there, I think that's true. And if you're not having enough sex then perhaps you have to rely on your imagination - hence all the variations and story telling and weird fetishes perhaps.
I think the whole taboo-thing on the sex subject, that has existed in Japan, shaped the japanese peoples image of sex; - As something exciting (well, that's not strange, it IS exciting!
) as something secret, but at the same time as something that can give you a chance to let go of your morals and/or restrictions. For examlpe, many swedish people I've discussed this with all say they think the japanese have a very childish view on sex, and on erotics, but then at the same time enjoy very wierd sexual adventures in Love Hotels and have some of the most twisted sex-fetishes in the world
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I see how the taboo thing could have that effect - I think you may be right. Very interesting. I wonder the reasons why they think the japanese have a more childish view on sex? I don't know much about Swedish ideas on sex so it's hard to compare. (I think americans can be pretty childish about sex)
I'd say, it seems as if - even though some japanese fetishes are very very extreme, the japanese have still kept their sort of... liking for the innocent. Some would argue (my mom
) that this makes the japanese even
more perverted - as they're into the whole lolita-innocense, but at the same time would loove to watch the very same tiny lolita getting raped by an octupus.
I think some people may like the more conservative thing as a reaction against all the taboo stuff. I think people want taboo stuff, but that turns other people off and they go more conservative, and that makes the taboo people want to rebel and be more taboo-ish. At least I get that idea in America with the religious conservatives vs. the more sexually liberated. I guess it may have that effect on me too, when I see too much childish stuff like on MTV, it makes me want to be more sophisticated and swear less, because it's so overdone and simplistic. If you're going to use a swear word at least attempt to use it in a clever or unexpected way, I think. Ozzie has mastered the art of f this f that all over the place, and only he seems to be funny at it. (even so it gets annoying with his bleeping too) So I think the dynamics of the whole thing - the taboo as reaction against the conservative, and the conservative/liberal clash or whatever else may another thing - at least I get that impression sometimes in about america.
It's complicated and you bring up much food for though isayhello. I will have to retreat to my laboratory to ponder these things...I'm sure it will help me take over the world somehow, if I can figure it out....
The same goes for the strange and very-difficult-to-understand fascination for panties. I mean; there are tons of homepages filled with paparazzi-shots of girls accidentally letting their skirt slip up to show the panties, and even MORE actual porn-pics where the girl in question has been asked to simply let her panties show vaguely from under her skirt. This sort of sneak-and-peek porn is majorly popular in Japan. I know of no other country where this porn is popular among the great masses, this sort of fetish is usually only common amongst pedophiles. But in Japan, the normal, non-phedophilistic man can find this sort of thing amazingly sexy.
It seems the panty fascination, when not a pedophilic thing, seems almost more sophisticated, because you are just hinting there and it's not all out in the open. Sometimes it just seems cute. Although it's weird when it's schoolgirls. Schoolgirls are great because they're so sweet and innocent - so why ruin it? The panty thing seems alot better than that "Girls Gone Wild" stuff. I mean, once you see everybody naked and the sex act like in porn what is left? Like that Pulp song "And then it's over - what do you do for an oncore?" It's just not very interesting at all. What puzzles me is why hollywood porn is so popular, so boring. I think that's more childish too. At least with Japan porn you get a story I think. (not that I've seen any - just going with hearsay) It may yuck me out like any other, don't know.
One thing interesting is that more porn is geared toward women there it seems, so perhaps women in Japan are more liberated in that way.
Jeez, I don't even know why the hell I'm writing this - everyone probably started scrolling by this post about a million years ago...
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No not at all, I think you shed some new light on a puzzling situation. I think it's very interesting. (but I hope I didn't post too many posts all at once and bore people - when I get behind the conversation I catch up and then there's a string of posts by me and hope it doesn't ruin the continuity)
I couldn't say what the reason is. I think there are many. One thing I've noticed, though, is that japanese people, and the whole of japanese society, has a huge obsession for youth.
Yeah we had an obsession for youth once - it was called the 60's and we got over it. LOL (Esp as the young then are getting older now.) Young people are great and I like them - it's just that people are interesting at any age I think. There's so much I can learn from any age... Although I have many very young friends (starting around age 6) to older ones.
... you're not crazy? ... I'd rather say we're all crazy!
... but then again, nah! I, for one, am completely sane.
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*starts dancing on the table wearing a clown-mask*
Did I mention I was sane?
LOL
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p.s. thanks again guys for your help with quotes
