Boy x boy - why is it sexy?

[miracle]

It's disgusting. Yuck. I read a lot of yaoi. But i don't go anywhere near shota...gross me out. >.< And incest too...eeww...i saw a manga of a twin doing a twin. Yeowch...i don't even know who is who...

Teacher and student is fine...actually, they're very very nice.

 

[Doc]

... no see, in the boyxboy stories, it's very common for the guys in question to be confused and scared of what they're feeling. This is mostly in shonen ai however (with yaoi, they tend to be a little more... err... not confused 😊 ) IT's very angsty, and the guys, or one of the guys, tends to feel scared and confused due to what he's feeling (love for a male friend). But then in the end, they end up in eachothers arms - like very very verrry VERY close friends 😍 (Note that the guys in the series I like are ALWAYS grown up (teenagers=myage) and they're most of the time the same age (could differ with one or two years) - no little boys... or old men... 😲 )

I figured as much. Just the way MaCherie worded her post made it sound like love between pre-pubescent boys, or between a pre-pubescent boy and a man was a good thing. *shudders*

Yes, Doc what Isay had said. sakitosan, shota or shota-con is a common little boys name, Shotaru (shota for short) Get it? Good. But this also means the facsination with pubescent boys between the ages of 9-12. That's basically what it means. Not to confuse anyone, but if you ever come across a manga with a young boy involved with someone who is much older than he is, say for example situations with a student and teacher and the teacher develops some kind of sexaul fascination with a young boy, then that would be shota. Then, I haven't read any shota mangas so I don't know too much about this.

Given the name I kind of figured out what shota meant without you actually tell me. *shudderss* People who actually like that crap seriously need help. I can't see how psychologically and physically destroying a young boy is pleasureable to a grown man. *shudders*

Doc

 

[furan]

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... um... yeah, sorry, i'm probably butting in here with are rather pointless comments but....

all these 'sex in Japan is wired' comments just.... well...

i dunno how much people know... and i don;t want to insult anyones inteligence, so... i'll just say it...

you know like... 200 years ago when Japan was all cut off from the rest of the world bcause the emparor of what ever (i forget his actually title 😌) was all huffy and didn't want to be 'contaminated' by the rest of the world, and to have his people all oblivious to what was going on, yadda yadda yadda..... yeah?

well.. err... the 'pleasure' quarters played a HUGE part in the cultural society.... the contrie was practically governed by who could afford who... and then, the ultimate, who could aford to pay off the fee of one of these woman, in order for them to become their wife.

the difference betwene the old Japanese ***** houses and typical western ones, was that... they weren't seen a s a BAD thing to take part in.... they were like the 'it' thing...
the whole society revolved around on what sort of girl was seen as 'cool' to be screwing, lol.... it was 'wierd' XD

BUT.... gay sex has been going on in Japan for centuries....
for starters, there's the origen of Yuri - there was a lesbian tribe that whent by that name - but also...

the piests where strictly not aloud to have intercose with a woman... however, there was no law that said they couldn't with men.... so the 'pleasure quarters' took young boys, and dressed them up as woman, to service this sort of costomer....

actually... i think this only stopped when commador Perry came in his stupid black ships and was alll eeeeewwwwwwww >.< that's just WRONG!
ofcause, the Japanese said the same thing about slavary... but then the stupid English said slavary was no different to what they were doing with their women

see... this is one of the reasons why i like Japan.... beause even if they've changed a lot since then.... originally they saw nothing wrong with this....

and yes, ok so the women were 'sold' BUT they got an emensly great education and it was VITAl that they were good conversationalists and witty and... had a good mind of their own....
in the stories you always hear od the men being the herros.... but in actual fact, there's a lot of women behind their heroicy....

 

[Ma Cherie]

I see what you mean furan. It's true about Japanese society in the sense that there's nothing wrong with physical pleasure. But when it involves little kids then, there's something seriously wrong. 😲 How you can find sexual pleasure with a child, Ewwwww!

What I'm trying to get at is do they feel it's psycologically damaging? :? Because really,there's no telling how many children are actually being molested.

 

[furan]

um...
the thing about childern is their sence of innocens.... they're 'untainted'... 'pure'
so... it's like when you see a field of snow that hasn't bee spoilt at all.... you can't wait to be the firt one to make the foot prints...
- ok, that's a very bad analogy, so the two things are blatantly completlydifferent, but i thin you sort of get my point.

in the 'pleasre houses' of the Edo period... all the girls were usually braught up and homed from an extreemly young age... usually sold to them from families who simply couldn't afford to look after a child... and they knew they would get a decent life there...
the girls were never abused... it was seen as an extreemly bad thing for that to happen... but tey were braught up surrounded by other woman who would... 'ease' them into the lifestyle they were to be living...
like... they were braught up around sex, so it didn't seem like a horribly frigtening experience for them the first time - as men would pay huge amounts to do this, which usually happened arround the age 14-16.

but i think some men take that too far...
these woen were taught about it... but it was the man's job to take them through the process... so he had a sence of 'duty' about him...
but i think some men see small children... and they just... want to take advantage of the fact that they don't know it's wrong...
i child is taught to obay and repect people older than them... so when the adult starts doing stuff... they think it's their fault that it hurts ir something, because they presume it's something that everyone does...
they just don't realise that they actually can say no...



.... um... i don;t know if any of that made anny difference to that...
i don;t know how many children are molsetered, and i don't know if the peidaphillia crime scene in Japan is higher than anywhere else...
but ofcause... it's kinda of a vicious cirlcle.... the media play on this 'vunrablility' and 'innocence' act.... vidio games, manga, modles, pop starts.... they're all very young... and they all have that sence of suduction hidden in there...
bottom line is... sex sells... it's always been that way, and unfortunatly probably always will be...
and young impressionable men are led into these traps by the media... and i gues some just find it difficult when they fid themselves actually wanting realy girls like in their vidio games....

 

[Doc]

Still makes my skin crawl. *shudders*

Doc

 

[furan]

i'm not justifying it....... belive me....

i think it's sick people take advantage of naiive children... i mean... they're not to know...

still... even after i guess they'd blame themselves for being too stupid to speek out at the time....

 

[Doc]

I didn't say that you were justifying it, I was just stating that even back then the reasons for them wanted to rape little boys and girls makes me want to vomit. *shudders*

Doc

 

[Ma Cherie]

I found a Wikipedia article on pedophilia. Do you think we start a new thread on this? 😊

Pedophilia - Wikipedia

 

[Doc]

I don't know if I could handle it considering I have this serious distaste for pedophiles.

Doc

 

[furan]

no, it's alright, i didn't think you were saying i was... i just get that sometimes i feel it necessery to agrue the other side of an agument, or at least put forword an explanation for it... and sometimes people get the miss conception that i believe in what i'm saying....

yeah, i agree with Doc... a new thread on peadophillic hentia would just be too.... *shudders*

 

[isayhello]

(O_____O)

Again, Furan, you impress me with your knowledge of.. err... ancient japanese *****-houses? 😊 ... no seriously, what you wrote was really interesting.

However, although in those times, the young children who were sold by their parents to become prostitutes might have lived a pretty decent life - they got education, lived in the luxurious areas of the city (yea, as you said, the ***** houses were much more accepted and glamorous in those times) - we mustn't think that it's OK today all the same. The times have changed, and prostitution and child pornography are certainly NOT the same today as they were back then. We have new morals and standards today, that must be respected and accepted. The problem with Japan is that many have kept the old ideas around the subject, even though the times are changed. This leads to pedophilia and/or lolita-complex, or other ideas such as rape being OK or sexy even.
(Furan: I'm not saying you were trying to defend child prostitution or anything - I know you weren't, you were merely discussing a cause, ne?)

😲 No, no - NOT a pedophilic thread, please! 😲

 

[furan]

😆

lol, i read a book - well... half of one 😌
(not on prostitution.... on the Geisha and their history of how they came to be 😌)

lol, and i know, you're just stating some very valid points ^.^
i don't think the pleasure quorters have been in buisness for at least 50 years now tho... :? (i don't know as i haven't finished the book )
and i think it was only rearly when a girl was 'de-flowered' (that's the word they used in the book :hihi) before she was 16... so they were never that young...

interesting about the rape tho....
the way a cortship would go back then... was that a man would hear of a woman, and he'd write her poetry... the woman would examin the poem, the hand (if it was written in Chinese it was even better), and if she was impressed, she'd respond with her own poem... and then if he was impressed the exchange would continue for several months...
then one night, the man would sneek into her quorters at night (bare in minde they've sill never actually met) and... effectivly rape her.... then sneek out again....
if both of them liked what whent on, they'd decided to see eachother properly....

well.. i guess it wasn't quite rape, as the woman was supposed to just lie ther and take it... but.. you can imagin hat kind of situations could arrise frm this type of this....

lol, it's funny how Japan, being completely separate from Christianity for all those years... had such a completly different view on things..... like sex before marrage and homosexuality...

 

[Ma Cherie]

Alright darlings, no thread on pedophilia. When I read that wikipedia article in some societies "friendships" with children is accepted. So, I suppose this is a cultural thing. ☝

 

[furan]

well.... yeah... i guess

but... it's also... i dunno....
it's not right for someone to take advantage of someone naiivety...
perhaps if the child was well aware of what was happeneing to them and was perfectly fine with it... then it might be... ok... ish....
but still.. there's still that sence that children have that the 'adult is always right'
and at such young ages, kids are never fully sure of what they want....

pluss... there's the whole fact that.... it's kinda inpractical before the kids kicked puberty... i mean.... i don;t know if it's even possible for them to get... like...'n the mood' for that kind of thing till a certain age.......

 

[Kinsao]

Really interesting discussion...
I really can't stand paedophilia... well, I think most people feel the same unless they are paedophile themselves...
You said your points really well Furan 👍
It makes me mad in fact. I can't stand anything that seems to me like encouraging paedophilia... (I might spend a lot of time mad in Japan, then... ) I have a real thing about it.
I think that kind of... inclination... easily can start off from people being attracted to the innocence seeming of children.
It ruins lives so much... 😭 :angryfire:

 

[Ma Cherie]

Oh, furan just try your best to ignore that manga with kids, no matter how hard it may be. The reason why I brought this is up is because it seems culturally accetple to have this "fascination" with children. In some cultures that is. I always thought that it was universally wrong. :?

 

[furan]

yeah... i found that.... i guess you could say 'interesting'....

i don't know... ofcause, in some cultures, canableism isn't seen as a bad thing...

 

[Kinsao]

oh no... cannibalism...
I am getting ideas I don't wanna have, here...
There was a thread about cannibalism... I think it was in Serious Discussions...
buuuuuh... I'm going offtopic... I'll shut up now. *fishwhack!* :auch:

 

[Doc]

This thread is starting to weird me out, piss me off, and makes me want to throw up at the same time with all this talk about pedo crap. God help me!!! :auch:

Doc

 

[furan]

hmmmm... we need to bring the goodness back into this thread... :?

alright!



some crap fan art by me 😌

AND the complete scanns and fan translations (that aren't fake cause i've had a freidns translate one for me and she came up with basically the same) of Gravitation Remix... one of the most graphical Yaoi's out there... so much so that it's now outta print and she coudn't get her usual puplishers to puplish it because it was just TOO MUCH!
Volume 1:
http://teenhavenforums.com/Gravi ...ons/Remix 01/

Volume 2:
http://teenhavenforums.com/Gravi ...ons/Remix 02/

Volume 3:
http://teenhavenforums.com/Gravi ...ons/Remix 03/

Volume 4:
http://teenhavenforums.com/Gravi ...ons/Remix 04/

Volume 5:
http://teenhavenforums.com/Gravi ...ons/Remix 05/

Volume 6:
http://teenhavenforums.com/Gravi ...ons/Remix 06/

Volume 7:
http://teenhavenforums.com/Gravi ...ons/Remix 07/

Volume 8:
http://teenhavenforums.com/Gravi ...ons/Remix 08/

Volume 8.5:
http://teenhavenforums.com/Gravi ...s/Remix 08.5/

Volume 9:
http://teenhavenforums.com/Gravi ...ons/Remix 09/

Volume 10:
http://teenhavenforums.com/Gravi ...ons/Remix 10/

Volume 11:
http://teenhavenforums.com/Gravi ...ons/Remix 11/

ENJOY!

 

[isayhello]

yaaay ! furan! OMG you're talented! *huggles* The boy at the right I especially like - you got his look very nice! The eyes *stares*

But.. the links don't work?

This thread pisses me off too (it did before furans post) ... I don't wanna talk about pedophiles or cannibalism. no more, ever.

 

[Furik]

Yaoi is gaining a lot of attention in the USA

 

[isayhello]

that's good

yaoi ISN'T gaining a lot of attention in Sweden.. *cries*

 

[Doc]

that's good

yaoi ISN'T gaining a lot of attention in Sweden.. *cries*

And I thought you guys were very sexaually liberated people (especially with that Big Brother fiasco with the two contestants having sex on live television).

Doc