japan and china gene advantage
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Jim, You're Harder To Figure Out Than A....
a woman or my cat?? KEEP ON TRUCKIN & POSTEN !!
Frank
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jim83 said:
a woman or my cat?? KEEP ON TRUCKIN & POSTEN !!
Frank
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TwistedMac
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IN THE NAVY! dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-duuuun IN THE NAVY!!
jim, you make no sense what so ever..
JA JA! ACHTUNG ACHTUNG!
so i thought i'd repay the favour
TAKE ME HOOOME COUNTRY ROADS!
jim, you make no sense what so ever..
JA JA! ACHTUNG ACHTUNG!
so i thought i'd repay the favour
TAKE ME HOOOME COUNTRY ROADS!
DaMo
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Tibet wasn't just conquered out of the blue. It was already a part of China. It just took advantage of the chaos of revolution and the civil war to attempt to break away.Golgo_13 said:
Tibet was a part of Chinese territory during the Qing dynasty - this fact is acknowledged by every objective historian and cartographer. In 1907, Britain and Russia signed a treaty recognizing China's continued sovereignty over Tibet. Tibet's attempted declaration of independence in 1913 was not recognized by the world powers of the time, but the post-Qing Chinese Republic's sovereignty over Tibet was. Even in 1947, when Tibet was supposedly "independent", a Tibetan delegation travelled to Nanjing to partake in the drafting of a new national Chinese constitution (a constitution which included Tibet as well). No standing Chinese government EVER granted Tibet independence (as opposed to Mongolia, whose independence was recognized by China). China's reestablishment of control over Tibet was part of its consolidation of central government over all Chinese territories after the civil war. If Tibet had a right to take advantage of the chaos in the country in the early 20th century to assert independence, then any Chinese province has the right to do so, and for that matter, any province of any country in the world.
Just because the government changes or there is a power struggle or even a world war doesn't mean any province can declare independence when they feel like it.
This whole issue exists only because:
-- a) China is currently ruled by a government that calls itself communist.
-- b) Some people have a mental image that pre-1950 Tibet was a happy always-been-independent country of social harmony and equality, instead of a recognized Chinese territory ruled by theocrats who owned most of the land and the people while everyone else was a serf, working the land while being treated cruelly. Even if one argues that nothing got much better in Tibet because of Chinese rule, at least nothing got much worse.
-- c) There seems to be a popular impression that Tibet was specifically targeted by the old CCP above all other Chinese provinces for political oppression and destruction of heritage. This is primarily due to omission of the fact that the rest of China also suffered under the GLF, the CR and other Maoist disasters.
You are considered a freedom fighter of Tibet. Why were you arrested in the late 1950s?
Tibet, even though it had been an independent country for thousands of years, even with the Treaty signed between the Emperor of China and the King of Tibet, still China did not respect the old historic agreements and invaded Tibet in 1949. As a direct result of that invasion there was massive destruction and desecration of Tibet's culture. There were 6,000 monasteries destroyed, and those monasteries incorporated the school, college, and university all rolled into one educational system. They were also the treasure-houses for Tibetan sacred artifacts and relics. China knows this, and that's why the monasteries became the first line of attack. They were looted, and the artifacts, gold, and valuables were sold in Hong Kong to raise more money for China's weapons to continue the invasion and conflict in Tibet. China destroyed our heart and soul by burning our holy scriptures.
As a direct result of this invasion, 1.2 million Tibetan people died. There was no sparing of women, children, nuns or monks. My father was one of the nine leaders in the Gonjo district in Tibet, and could not stand all the destruction. He and the nine leaders started a resistance against the Chinese invading forces. He died in 1958, and because I was the only child of that family, I had to take up that responsibility and fulfill the duty to my community and country in the Tibetan uprising against China troops in 1959. I resisted the Chinese military movement into Tibet, and I tried to defend my motherland. That's why China arrested me and put me into prison for 21 years.
What was the worst treatment/torture you had to endure all those years in prison?
I had two incidences that were unbearable. The worst punishment was putting very heavy shackles around my ankles for one year and one month, 24 hours per day for that duration. In the winter, it was excruciating because I felt they were cutting into my skin, like a burning sensation, because the iron got so cold.
I also had to live in a hole for nine months in solitary confinement. I was put underground and had to live in my own feces. It was a difficult time; it was totally dark. I couldn't see any light and I had to just imagine whether it was day or night. I would sometimes hear a bird singing its song and assume it was daytime. It was a terrible punishment-solitary confinement in total darkness. Some nuns have to endure that punishment for years.
Human Rights Watch/Asia released a report on Tibet in 1998 that said that since President Clinton de-linked human rights and world trade status for China, repression against Tibetans has actually increased.
China not only violates the human rights of Tibetans, but also of its own people. China violates every norm of human behavior, [and] does not respect any form of international convention or law. So by granting this special trade status to China, it is now being rewarded while conducting such atrocities.
China breaks all rules framed by the United Nations for basic human rights. The trade status for China will enslave Tibet more, with more child labor used to profit Beijing.
From a personal perspective for Americans, it is not good for America's moral strength and your sense of being a moral nation and peacekeeper in the world. All people who are striving toward independence from Communist nations, all people who are fighting for truth and justice, all people who are fighting for basic human rights as Tibetans are doing, are totally discouraged by this act of the U.S. Congress. Therefore, I feel that it is a great concern not just to the Tibetan people, but for Americans too. What do you stand for? What does your nation really stand for morally and ethically in the world?
The International Committee of Lawyers for Tibet released a preliminary report which focuses on human rights abuses in Tibet, including the imprisonment and torture of Tibetan children. What are Tibetan children suffering?
They have documented illegal detention, mistreatment, torture and imprisonment of Tibetan children. We have no religious freedom. In rural Tibet, the real Tibet, we have no schools now for Tibetan children. The Chinese say there are schools, but they are only in the cities and they cater to Chinese officers' children. Since we don't have human rights, if we conduct a peaceful demonstration, we are met with brutal force, either shot on the spot or put in prison.
Because of these conditions, there are 3,000 to 4,000 refugees yearly crossing the Himalayas to flee the brutal force of China. Since 1979, 40,000 refugees have fled into India.
Are the mostly nuns and monks?
Yes, and children risking their lives to get their education. They have had to say good-bye to their parents forever just to be safe and get proper schooling. Recently, 60 Tibetan children went back to Tibet to see their parents after they graduated, and they were all arrested and are now doing hard road work as punishment.
http://www.wholelifetimes.com/panchen.html
Tibet, even though it had been an independent country for thousands of years, even with the Treaty signed between the Emperor of China and the King of Tibet, still China did not respect the old historic agreements and invaded Tibet in 1949. As a direct result of that invasion there was massive destruction and desecration of Tibet's culture. There were 6,000 monasteries destroyed, and those monasteries incorporated the school, college, and university all rolled into one educational system. They were also the treasure-houses for Tibetan sacred artifacts and relics. China knows this, and that's why the monasteries became the first line of attack. They were looted, and the artifacts, gold, and valuables were sold in Hong Kong to raise more money for China's weapons to continue the invasion and conflict in Tibet. China destroyed our heart and soul by burning our holy scriptures.
As a direct result of this invasion, 1.2 million Tibetan people died. There was no sparing of women, children, nuns or monks. My father was one of the nine leaders in the Gonjo district in Tibet, and could not stand all the destruction. He and the nine leaders started a resistance against the Chinese invading forces. He died in 1958, and because I was the only child of that family, I had to take up that responsibility and fulfill the duty to my community and country in the Tibetan uprising against China troops in 1959. I resisted the Chinese military movement into Tibet, and I tried to defend my motherland. That's why China arrested me and put me into prison for 21 years.
What was the worst treatment/torture you had to endure all those years in prison?
I had two incidences that were unbearable. The worst punishment was putting very heavy shackles around my ankles for one year and one month, 24 hours per day for that duration. In the winter, it was excruciating because I felt they were cutting into my skin, like a burning sensation, because the iron got so cold.
I also had to live in a hole for nine months in solitary confinement. I was put underground and had to live in my own feces. It was a difficult time; it was totally dark. I couldn't see any light and I had to just imagine whether it was day or night. I would sometimes hear a bird singing its song and assume it was daytime. It was a terrible punishment-solitary confinement in total darkness. Some nuns have to endure that punishment for years.
Human Rights Watch/Asia released a report on Tibet in 1998 that said that since President Clinton de-linked human rights and world trade status for China, repression against Tibetans has actually increased.
China not only violates the human rights of Tibetans, but also of its own people. China violates every norm of human behavior, [and] does not respect any form of international convention or law. So by granting this special trade status to China, it is now being rewarded while conducting such atrocities.
China breaks all rules framed by the United Nations for basic human rights. The trade status for China will enslave Tibet more, with more child labor used to profit Beijing.
From a personal perspective for Americans, it is not good for America's moral strength and your sense of being a moral nation and peacekeeper in the world. All people who are striving toward independence from Communist nations, all people who are fighting for truth and justice, all people who are fighting for basic human rights as Tibetans are doing, are totally discouraged by this act of the U.S. Congress. Therefore, I feel that it is a great concern not just to the Tibetan people, but for Americans too. What do you stand for? What does your nation really stand for morally and ethically in the world?
The International Committee of Lawyers for Tibet released a preliminary report which focuses on human rights abuses in Tibet, including the imprisonment and torture of Tibetan children. What are Tibetan children suffering?
They have documented illegal detention, mistreatment, torture and imprisonment of Tibetan children. We have no religious freedom. In rural Tibet, the real Tibet, we have no schools now for Tibetan children. The Chinese say there are schools, but they are only in the cities and they cater to Chinese officers' children. Since we don't have human rights, if we conduct a peaceful demonstration, we are met with brutal force, either shot on the spot or put in prison.
Because of these conditions, there are 3,000 to 4,000 refugees yearly crossing the Himalayas to flee the brutal force of China. Since 1979, 40,000 refugees have fled into India.
Are the mostly nuns and monks?
Yes, and children risking their lives to get their education. They have had to say good-bye to their parents forever just to be safe and get proper schooling. Recently, 60 Tibetan children went back to Tibet to see their parents after they graduated, and they were all arrested and are now doing hard road work as punishment.
http://www.wholelifetimes.com/panchen.html
bossel
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The question is what the people in that particular province/region/state feel. The Tibetans have a distinct ethnicity, language & culture. If they want to be a separate nation, why not!?DaMo said:
If Quebec wants to be a nation of its own, why not!?
If Bavaria wants to be a nation of its own, why not!?
Peaceful separation is possible, as can be seen in the former Soviet bloc. Problems usually arise when independence is denied.
TwistedMac
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bossel said:
Like ireland..
Golgo_13
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TwistedMac said:Like ireland..
Correct me if I'm wrong. The Republic of Ireland, with a population predominantly Catholic, is an independent State.
Northern Ireland, a UK territory, has mixed Catholic and Protestant population. The Protestants in N. Ireland prefer to remain under British rule.
BTW, since when did the Irish start eating ramen?
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dont say stupid thing
tibet belong to china
all japanese is moved to island from china
do you belive a small island could produce human ?
south china is the orgin of all yellow race asia people.
japan are small country
even before ,china dont care japan much ,
only USa and china is great country later
tibet belong to china
all japanese is moved to island from china
do you belive a small island could produce human ?
south china is the orgin of all yellow race asia people.
japan are small country
even before ,china dont care japan much ,
only USa and china is great country later
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Jim83 - please watch your tone. You have a right to express your opinion but only in a polite and constructive manner. Please support your statements with facts which others can go and read for themselves (references to books, magazines, newspapers, journals, websites etc). Thank you.
DaMo said:
In political theory, you're right. In reality and practice, no one likes to be under the rule of a authority where everything they say goes and you can do nothing about it. Thus there are hundreds of civil wars fought all over the planet, every day, for power. Sharing power, empowering themselves, taking power from enemies. Politics has nothing to do with the basic, desperate human need for control.
Dik Dik Van Dik
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LOL! What's with this Jim cat?
So does that mean that U.K. is also inferior to China,becasue they happen to be an island nation as well?
You know that's something I never truly understood about oriental folks.
A lot of them seem to dwell in the past,and complain about events that occured long ago as if it happened yesterday.
What is it all about?
How did this childish behavior start?
Do these individuals have some kind of social insecurities,feel that they need to have something to prove or what?
It's okay to be proud of being Chinese,Japanese or what not,but screw all that I have the ILLnificent gene...I'm straight up ILL.
Asian folks seem to be the most racist folks I've ever seen.
I'm part oriental myself,but it's behavior like this which makes me ashamed to be sharing the same genes as these punks.
They just don't know how to behave.
So does that mean that U.K. is also inferior to China,becasue they happen to be an island nation as well?
You know that's something I never truly understood about oriental folks.
A lot of them seem to dwell in the past,and complain about events that occured long ago as if it happened yesterday.
What is it all about?
How did this childish behavior start?
Do these individuals have some kind of social insecurities,feel that they need to have something to prove or what?
It's okay to be proud of being Chinese,Japanese or what not,but screw all that I have the ILLnificent gene...I'm straight up ILL.
Asian folks seem to be the most racist folks I've ever seen.
I'm part oriental myself,but it's behavior like this which makes me ashamed to be sharing the same genes as these punks.
They just don't know how to behave.
Gaki
Emperor Gakihito
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Dik Dik Van Dik said:
That right there is what is known as a generalised comment, which kinda puts you on the same level as Jim83.
Also to be honest i dont think you would be able to grasp the concept of patriotism and such because u dont seem to respect yourself very much either.
TwistedMac
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why do people keep giving new life to these damn jim-threads after they've been gone for so long?
DaMo said:The Reversion of Okinawa in 1972
There are a lot of people who "want independence" from so-and-so country. If that were the only qualification, the world would today be a patchwork of clan-ruled states. My own country is racked with insurgencies, which is why I can relate to what China is facing. I don't like Communists any more than you do. But this is about China, not the CCP. Tibet was already a part of the China before China "invaded" it. Even Britain signed it back to China in 1910 (unlike their usual blundering departures), after a brief period of colonial control, when it wrested the province from the Chinese domain. Tibet certainly has a longer history with China than Okinawa does with Japan. For that matter, Okinawa has a longer history with China than it does with Japan, considering it was China's tributary for three centuries.
That's not to say I support the CCP's policies in Tibet, but I do not support their policies in the rest of China either. In fact, I strongly disagree with them. That doesn't mean I want the whole of China to fall apart. The CCP will eventually be forced to come to terms with an educated politically-aware Chinese population bent on greater liberty, and things will change for the better.
AGREED
At the ancient time, there is no a country called China. Instead, there were seven kingdoms 秦 楚 齐 燕 韩 魏 赵. They had different lanuages and using the different fonts.These kingdoms having wars every years and people living in a hardship. lately, 秦始皇, The King from the north defeated all seven contries with strong army and became the first emperor of China. That's why China is called China because 秦 was pronounced "Chin"
That's a little bit about Chinese history, The thing I want to say was after seven kingdoms became one country, people was living blessedly. They didn't have to worry about their sons who forced to join military and cryed for his father who starved to death.
I hope one day that the whole earth will be under a simple country. no racialism, no war, so everybody will live happily. ^^
BTW I think you guys should watched movie called 英雄. It was played by Jet Lee. I think it was played in most of the NY theater around Auguest or settember 2004( not sure)
kiuyiw said:
You must be kidding... My English is poor so maybe I cannot get your sense of humor. but after Qin invaded and swallowed the 6 countries people lived in much more hell than before. that's why there were rebels all around the empire and it shattered soon after the First Emperor died.
you have the talent to write for the People's Daily.kiuyiw said:
About the movie "Hero", maybe for foreigners it's just an action movie but it really insults many Chinese people like me, who believe the Qin Emperor is a much crueller tyrant than the kings of 6 countries and to praise him as hero is an unthinkable act of baseness.
BTW, I would say people like Jim83 in this thread are hardly a representative of Chinese. There are different kind of people, including a bunch of racists in China, like anywhere else.
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China
Hi, I would to point out that Patriotism is not to blind, but it's to help us. For instance I would considered myself as a patriotic chinese man I will defend his country, if any foreign country dare to invade my country or soil. On the other hand if your patriotism go beyond protecting and stabilizing your country then it will be considered an act of invasion and doing atrocities to that invaded country or countries. I think people to misunderstand the concepts and misinterpretation of patriotism because there are certain degrees where patriotic is good and there is a degrees when patriotic is certain bad. When a group that act on the behalf of the country to conduct warfare by invading another country is considered injustify. Then patriotic is considered a kind of racism or foreign occupation.
Fantt said:
Hi, I would to point out that Patriotism is not to blind, but it's to help us. For instance I would considered myself as a patriotic chinese man I will defend his country, if any foreign country dare to invade my country or soil. On the other hand if your patriotism go beyond protecting and stabilizing your country then it will be considered an act of invasion and doing atrocities to that invaded country or countries. I think people to misunderstand the concepts and misinterpretation of patriotism because there are certain degrees where patriotic is good and there is a degrees when patriotic is certain bad. When a group that act on the behalf of the country to conduct warfare by invading another country is considered injustify. Then patriotic is considered a kind of racism or foreign occupation.
