japan and china gene advantage

[jim83]

Actualy , Chinese Han nation has more advanced gene than japanese gene , why ?
1. Chinese han nation have an advantage over japan people over past 5000 years. But japan become an developed country only so short time.

2. Han nation control more territory jthan japan , japan only dwells on a small island .

3. withtime , the gene advantage of china would be easily seen by us. chinese have so many excellent scientist in US and with time, chinese would become stronger than japan . So if japan dont know how to applogize to others , that would be bad for japan's future.

 

[bossel]

Genes again?
1. How exactly would you describe this "advantage of 5000 years"?

2. True. (Although, as an after-thought: it's not only 1 island, & Japan's overall landmass is not so small)

3. Can't really see the point here.

What has all this to do with genes?

 

[jim83]

japan dont know the feeling of chinese , only when japan feel the same bitterness as china in the future.

so any explain of wrong make me vomit

 

[jim83]

As i know , japan's character is from china ,also other culture and civilization . in tang dynasty , japan only a state of china.

 

[bossel]

Originally posted by jim83
in tang dynasty , japan only a state of china.

I think, Japan actually never was a state or province of China, surely not during Tang. The Tang conquered most of the Korean Peninsula, defeating Japanese allies there, but for what I know they never even tried to invade Japan or ever incorporated it into their empire.

You didn't answer my question:
What has all this to do with genes?

 

[Mashu]

Your evidence to your argument is completely irrelevant. You just blurt out some history facts and consider it proof.

What was the point of this post anyway? To make us pro-China?

 

[CFP]

What about China learning to appologize? The Tibetans might say the same about the Chinese, Jim. I don't hear China appologizing to Tibet for destroying their culture and temples, killing millions of Tibetans and forcing them into slave labor.

 

[jim83]

feel commen about japanese ,

there is no need to know where japan from ?
we dont care where crog come from africa or not .

 

[Golgo_13]

What about China learning to appologize? The Tibetans might say the same about the Chinese, Jim. I don't hear China appologizing to Tibet for destroying their culture and temples, killing millions of Tibetans and forcing them into slave labor.

I was gonna say that but you beat me to it.

"China dont know the feeling of Tibetans, only when China feel the same bitterness as Tibet in the future. . . ."

 

[playaa]

Jim83, don't come here to make posts with no back up. Your claims make no stance to anything and you dont make sense... Just because you have more land mass dont make you stronger, look at canada/russia/africa plenty of landmass but they are not above average in strength.

And to my knowledge Japan was never part of China...

 

[Golgo_13]

Actualy . . . But japan become an developed country only so short time.

I hate to break the news to ya, but so did the United States of America! :homer:

 

[jim83]

about tibet

tibet and chinese use the same language branch , zhuang-sino language system . But japan use altaic language , so japan are not the same language branch as china . so tibet and chinese have the same origin in human race .

while communist in china enter tibet , tibet is a slave society , and there are no mass killing happened during entering tibet . so tibet dont hate communist as china dislike japan.

i think japan should rethink himself , if japanese love japan this country .

why so many countries dont like japn ,especially korea , russian ,
if one cannot friend close to him, he would find friend far from him . that is us .

but even us , there are so complex feeling about japan , I cannot make real friend with some one give me nuclear bomb .

 

[jeisan]

as an odd point of fact, people i've fought with have become some of my best friends. there is a mutual respect there.

just becuase tibet and china have the same language branch doesnt give china the right to take over the country. you know thats the same excuse hitler used to conquer certain countries at the begining of WWII

and back to bossel's question. what does any of this have to do with genes?

 

[jim83]

there is old chinese saying , broken bowl cannot return . i think still need time to cure the japan and american relationship.

 

[jeisan]

what does any of this have to do with genes?

 

[Maciamo]

Jim83, please read the book Guns, Germs, and Steel, by Jared Diamond. Genes have nothing to do with how civilizations developed.

Then, Chinese and Japanese have basically the same genes. All the difference can be explained by the geographical (territory, climate), linguistic and historical differences.

 

[kirei_na_me]

*sigh* Don't you all see? This is just more Japan-bashing, it's just trying to be done in a more subtle way. This business about genes is meaningless.

 

[DaMo]

What about China learning to appologize? The Tibetans might say the same about the Chinese, Jim. I don't hear China appologizing to Tibet for destroying their culture and temples, killing millions of Tibetans and forcing them into slave labor.

China hasn't killed "millions" of Tibetans, nor did China force them into slavery. For that matter, the Tibetans were already veritable slaves to the Lamas under the Tibetan feudal system before the Chinese reconquered the region. Also, the destruction of heritage was something that affected all of China as part of the madness of the Cultural Revolution, and was not an attack on Tibet in particular. Many destroyed or damaged sites across Tibet and China were restored after the end of Mao's reign, and China budgets tens of millions of dollars towards restoration and upkeep funds for Tibetan heritage sites.

 

[jim83]

all race is same , so i think american people are more smart , that is why japanese follow usa .

 

[sabro]

Weird Thread

Genes? Tibet? Japan as part of china? Nazis and nukes? Land mass and eugenics. Someone must have got into daddy's pot stash. Don't mix that stuff with alcohol or this whole strange thread will make sense.

Argument #1: All humans have the same basic genes with few variations. None of them make any "race" superior to another.

Argument #2: If there is any genetic advantage, it should be with hybrid strains- half breeds, creoles, mixed-racial isolates-- although science has not seen any of this.

Argument #3: Race is social, not scientific or genetic. The few physical characteristics that we use to identify race is probably less significant than cultural differences such as language.

None of this speaks anything about CHARACTER.

 

[Golgo_13]

China hasn't killed "millions" of Tibetans, nor did China force them into slavery. For that matter, the Tibetans were already veritable slaves to the Lamas under the Tibetan feudal system before the Chinese reconquered the region. Also, the destruction of heritage was something that affected all of China as part of the madness of the Cultural Revolution, and was not an attack on Tibet in particular. Many destroyed or damaged sites across Tibet and China were restored after the end of Mao's reign, and China budgets tens of millions of dollars towards restoration and upkeep funds for Tibetan heritage sites.

Why not let them have their freedom?

Japan gave back all the land it once conquered and annexed.

*sigh* Don't you all see? This is just more Japan-bashing, it's just trying to be done in a more subtle way. This business about genes is meaningless.

Yes, there has to be an internet forum out there somewhere for people with contempt for and hatred of Japan to get together and knock themselves out.

I'll post the link here as soon as I find it!

there is old chinese saying , broken bowl cannot return . i think still need time to cure the japan and american relationship.

This is just my personal opinion, but Japan and the U.S. have a much better relationship than does China with either country.

How about curing China's relationship with the rest of the world?

How about curing the way China views its human rights policies?

 

[shiroma]

Yes, there has to be an internet forum out there somewhere for people with contempt for and hatred of Japan to get together and knock themselves out.

I'll post the link here as soon as I find it!

There are a bunch of them out there, like this.

 

[DaMo]

Why not let them have their freedom?

Japan gave back all the land it once conquered and annexed.

The Japanese empire annexed the independent kingdom of Okinawa (which, by the way, was a tributary of China for three prior centuries) in 1897. As far as I know, Okinawa is still part of Japan.

 

[noyhauser]

God what a troll thread. Da Mo and Jim83 do you have anything better to do than to bash japan? If you want to speak about the greatness of China go find yourself a china forum.

Your posts remind me of the Eugenics movements of the 1920s where poor scientific theories made Race synonamous with greateness, and then made to justify horrible crimes against humanity. Have you not learned from history? Japan and Germany thought this and paid an Unimaginable price. Honestly its the absolutely terrifying for me to watch the rise of Nationalism in China, and the ideas of Manifest Destiny of the Chinese race.

China is nowhere near a "better race" because of its achievements. It is a rising power, and it has potential, but in many ways it is like a pubescent teenager that is acting irrationally at times. Post Modern states like the Europe, Canada, Australia Japan and arguably the United States have renounced the use of force for territorial aquisition, but China hasn't. Thretening statements that eminate from China about Taiwan, North Korea, Hong Kong, Tibet, human rights, and other issues make me worry about the future, when the Chinese communist Party might use its superior power to force these issue.

Your comments are indicative of these worries. I believe Japan to be among one of the most respected countries in the world. It has renounced the use of violence to act in the international sphere. The Pacisfism movement is alive and well and has held japan to its post modern roots. Democracy and freedom are alive and well. Where are the demonstrators in Bejing and Tibet?? I think we all know the answers to that.

I believe in human rights as unalienable which each and every person must have and should be protected. I also believe that we as a species must ensure that other people have access to these rights, and that is the only way we may all live in peace and prosperity. I look at how not 20 years ago Europe was divided among itself, at the brink of armageddon, and today the continent is war is completely unthinkable. How was this miracle possible? Because the western world fought for the rights of others, and after the fight was won, we ensured that individuals had these rights. Now Eastern Europe is among the most vibrant economies in the world, and a growing bastion of democracy. Any Country that muzzles its own people, and requires force to keep itself in power is not legitimate in my mind, and is dangerous not towards its own people, but to all of us as a human race.

 

[Gaki]

Post Modern states like the Europe, Canada, Australia Japan and arguably the United States have renounced the use of force for territorial aquisition, but China hasn't.

Australia and USA were both taken by force, so technically their renouncing of force for territory doesnt mean anything.

I'm not condoning things that the Chinese government has done in the past (or present), but things are improving slowly anyway.
Different people do things in different ways, i'm pretty damn sure in the wonderful world of democracy that things dont always work. (i.e Bush)