Why Japan does not need to apologize to Korea

[Poke-mon master]

Exactly .... recycling past imperial cheap crap talks
(*) Japan withdrew from League of Nations in disgrace.
S Korean politicians in 2005 began re-examined the Taft-Katsura Agreement between USA and Japan's dirty dealing in swamping recognization of colonial possession of Phillippines for USA and Korea for Japan in the process led to eventual annexation of Korea peninsula against the wills of Korea's last Royal House of Yi and Korean people.

OK , So you aknowledged that Prime Minister Lee is official representative and was not Pappet. But you don't want to recgonise that you comments was just a crap, you changed discussion topics anyway. You should realise you are LOOSER always if you changed topics. Other people is alwasy much smarter than you to realise you are LOOSER while you changed the topics.

When you want to talk about Taft-Katsura Agreement, you should tell me that how this agreement is related with Validation of Japan-Korea Treaty.
I am not sure Japan-US unofficial agreement is related with Validation of Japan-Korea treaty.

 

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

A point to consider about this problem.
I have to know Korea and the Japanese situation of before Japanese Korea merger.
Is there the person who can explain Korea and the Japanese situation?

 

[caster51]

I have to know Korea and the Japanese situation of before Japanese Korea merger.
Is there the person who can explain Korea and the Japanese situation?

http://kn.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2001/01/27/200101270032.asp
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200503/200503060028.html

Korea, under the Joseon Dynasty, had traditionally been a tributary state to China's Qing Dynasty. In 1875, after exerting pressure, China allowed Japan to recognize Korea as an independent state. However, China continued to assert influence over Korea, despite Japan's moves to dominate it.

First Sino-Japanese War - Wikipedia

After that, korea was about to become colony of Russia because of pro-Russians.
after rosso-japan war , japan made korea a japanese protectorate in 1905
japan snatched rights of korean diplomacy away temporary because japan wanted korea modernization as independent country.
Ito opposed the annexation of Korea.
however a korean killed Ito.( this korean is a Hero in korea . i dont know why )
Korea should express gratitude to Japan.
Japan subrogated the enormous debt of Korea against western country
many of western contry forgot they praised japan at that time

 

[gaijinalways]

Unfortunately, your link doesn't show any information related to your assertions. Korea certainly didn't want Japan coming in, and they hardly had a choice about Japan taking over the country. I don't know where you would get the idea Japan wanted a modern Korea as a separate country. They basically wanted a resource state (labor, natural resources, etc.) which Korea was in no state to refuse these requests.

 

[caster51]

Unfortunately, your link doesn't show any information related to your assertions. Korea certainly didn't want Japan coming in,

Korea ....It might have been mortifying.
however, japan certainly did not invade Korea.

 

[caster51]

清皇帝から受けた恩に、感謝して迎えるために作った門

This gate was made by a Korean to thank for Qing dynasty.

下関条約( shimonoseki treaty with Qing dynasy
・清国は朝鮮の独立を認める

第一条 清国は、朝鮮国が完全無欠なる独立自主の国であることを確認し、独立自主を損害するような朝鮮国から清国に対する貢・献上・典礼等は永遠に廃止する。

The gate of independence
A Korean thinks that independent gate was built in commemoration of independence from japan
it was made and Chosun became the great Korean empire as an independent country because japan made Korea independence.

so Korea is telling a lie from the beginning that Korea was an independent country

http://japanese.joins.com/article/article.php?aid=56213&servcode=200&sectcode=200

 

[caster51]

They basically wanted a resource state (labour, natural resources, etc.) which Korea was in no state to refuse these requests.

there was no tree in the mountain at that time.
Unfortunately, japan did afforestation...

http://japanese.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2006/01/21/20060121000020.html

Japan forced to change to Japanese name????

after Shimonoseki treaty Korea celebrated an independence

1918年アメリカ Willson大統領が「民族が自分自身の運命を決定する権利」を発表
パリで開かれる第一次世界大戦の講和会議に出席しようとする在米朝鮮人にアメリカは旅券を発行しなかった。
徐 椿 等(東京高等師範学校生)の朝鮮～人 留学生は、「民族が自分自身の運命を決定する権利」が、東ヨーロッパ以外に適用されないことを見抜いた。
1919年、東ヨーロッパでポーランドなどが、次々と独立
2月8日、崔 八鏞(早稲田大学)、金 喆寿(慶応大学)、尹昌錫(青山学院大学)など留学生が 独立宣言書を作成

why were they in japan

併合時代、私は東京に住んでいました。
そして、時々、ソウルや平壌に行きました。
その当時の韓国人は「日本人以上の親日派」でした。
映画館に行くと映画の前に戦争のニュースがありました。
例えばニューギニアで日本軍が勝った映像が流れると、韓国の映画館では拍手と万歳の嵐でした。殆ど全員が狂ったように喜んでいました。
日本でも映画館に行きましたが、日本人は皆、冷静で

漁火６・７面

trip with bento

Hanami(花見）

 

[gaijinalways]

Dude, you're living a different reality. I suppose it's the same way the Taliban invited the US in to bomb the hell out of them.

 

[caster51]

Dude, you're living a different reality. I suppose it's the same way the Taliban invited the US in to bomb the hell out of them.
Aug 11, 2006 22:20

reality is like that...
WAR DAMAGE IN THE NANKING AREA
December 1937 to March 1938

http://www.history.gr.jp/nanking/LSCSmythe.pdf

 

[caster51]

About the murder of the Korean empress...
1986, kojong(高宗) husband of empress, did an edict .....

禍乱の張本人たる禹範善、李斗鎬、李範来、李シンコウ、趙義淵、権濚鎭等を斬首して露館に来り、朕の観覧に供せよ
高宗勅令[4]で
閔妃殺害事件の犯人として特赦された趙義淵[5] 禹範善[6] 李斗璜[7] 李軫鎬 李範来 権濚鎮の首を持ってロシア公館に持参せよ

露館播遷 - Wikipedia
he said "excute killers(禹範善、李斗鎬、李範来、李シンコウ、趙義淵、権濚鎭等)and show me their heads.."
" i revenge though they are my subordinate persons. I may ruin the country. "

閔妃の息子、純宗の発言

her son, 純宗's witness...
"I saw 禹範善 kill my mother"
after that 禹範善 was assassinated in japan

禹範善の発言

禹範善, he said " i killed her"

http://www.jkcf.or.jp/friendship2005/japanese/events/details.php?event_id=8

His son. (禹長春博士（1898～1959年）)...my father did for Korea...
http://rki.kbs.co.kr/japanese/korea/korea_rainhistory_detail.htm?No=102

ロシア人カルネイェフの発言

Russian's diplomat opinion...

殺害計画の首謀者は、大院君だ

he said "this plan was made by kojong, korean king.
a ringleader is korean king..."
so ringleader is korean king and guy who did that execution was 禹範善
an englishman's witness
" A japanese guy participated that"
a japanase's witness , Ishizuka's witness of that time..

守備隊の警護の制止を突破し、城内に侵入し、野次馬は深く建物の内部に入り王妃に傷を負わせ、裸にし、念入りに局部の検査をし（笑いながら、また、怒りながら）、最後に油をかけて焼き殺した…」

Many Korean curious onlookers and checked her P***
and they burnt her with laughing

 

[caster51]

Chinese generally regard the Japanese race as psychologically perverted and mentally-imbalanced yellow folk, it always prevails among male species. Go figure!

add this book as your favourite

Mirror for Americans--Another perspective on the Pacific War

I have found this book very interesting.Japan is infamous for its mistreatment of POWS during WWⅡ,As a Japanese I am ashamed and feel sorry...

zeroempty000.blogspot.com

p196 Professor Treat comments,".....every step in the process was 'correct' diplomatically, and the final annexation was consummated by....treaty, nor proclamation."As a matter of record, Japan's annexation of Korea had considerably more "legal" documentation than most of the empire-building of the Western Powers.

 

[caster51]

http://japanese.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2007/01/21/20070121000000.html

高宗純宗実録
According to an authentic account of Gojong and his son

Gojong of Korea - Wikipedia

「ここに韓国の統治権を、従前より親しく信じ、頼りに仰いできた隣国大日本皇帝陛下に譲与し、外に東洋の平和を強固にし、内に八域（朝鮮全土）の民生を保全しようとするので、爾（なんじ）ら大小の臣民は…（中略）…煩わしい騒乱を起こさず…」

I transfer the dominion of Korea to Japanese Emperor His Majesty who I believe and trust ....
It starts making peace in the Orient strong, and maintaining the public welfare of Korea.
The people must not cause a troublesome disturbance............

1909年10月26日条を見ると、皇太子が皇帝に伊藤博文の死亡を伝える電報を送り、「我が国の者の凶手にかかり、殺害されたことに驚きを禁じ得ない」と報告している。甚だしくは、内閣が伊藤の死を哀悼しようと、4日間にわたりソウルでの音楽と歌を禁止したという記述まで

ある

 

[gaijinalways]

Uh, Caster, your original link concerning Nanjing doesn't help your case, quite the contrary. I would suggest you compare notes on several sides and you might see why the Japanese are disliked, especially by the Koreans and the Chinese. That's not to say that both of the latter don't use it for political purposes, but that's life.

I think if you asked Americans they wouldn't be as mystified, especially if they have ever left the country.

 

[Jpstw]

Caster are you one of those right wing ultra nationalists who lost their women to a much better man who was a gaijin? if so, I'm deeply sorry and over here they call it- no game- is what you have.

 

[caster51]

here is Japan & Korea: Bilateral relations .....

Caster are you one of those right wing ultra nationalists who lost their women to a much better man who was a gaijin? if so, I'm deeply sorry and over here they call it- no game- is what you have

Here is a discussed place about that ,not about me.

 

[caster51]

Caster, your original link concerning Nanjing doesn't help your case, quite the contrary.

I think most Japanese Know why they hate the Japanese.
it is not because of Nanking.
you should know about Sinocentrism
Korea is also mini-Sinocentrism
that is why they always need an origin of something like it to come from China or Korea ...

do you need to explain/
Sinocentrism - Wikipedia

 

[hideway]

Mambojambo aside, any country should apologise for its atrocities. It's just polite and shows that country has changed and it's no longer made of a***oles.

 

[taehyun]

I think most Japanese Know why they hate the Japanese.
it is not because of Nanking.
you should know about Sinocentrism
Korea is also mini-Sinocentrism
that is why they always need an origin of something like it to come from China or Korea ...
do you need to explain/
Sinocentrism - Wikipedia

here is Japan & Korea: Bilateral relations .....

I had no idea it is possible to write two exact opposite (正反対) things within 10 min.
I also think Japan should apologise, though it won't give anyone his/her life back .

 

[GodEmperorLeto]

Preamble: I've been avoiding posting for months because of the very heated debates I've gotten into, but with the sudden revival of this thread, I feel like I should say something, and consequences be damned.

Okay. I do not believe Japan should apologize to Korea. What happened occurred over two generations ago. Many of the Japanese who performed the atrocities are dead, as are many of the victims. Most of the Koreans alive today have no memory of what occurred except for what is in the history books.

Nevertheless, Japan should stop disavowing what it has done. A student of mine from Matsushima once told me, "Do you know the Japanese government doesn't tell us everything about the war? Do you know that people in Japan are trying to hide evidence that the soldiers did horrible things in China and Korea?" She was quite the firebrand (unusual for a Japanese girl), and she was very interested in reform. She believed that things couldn't change unless people could own up to what they've done.

The United States, my homeland, has performed atrocities. So has everyone. Every nation in history has victimized somebody else. The point is to learn from it and move on. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Caster51, I understand why it is angering to hear people say things about your country. People say things about mine all of the time. I imagine there are more people on these forums that hate my country than like it. But that does not give me an excuse to believe revisionist history that says we never massacred Native Americans. And neither does it give you an excuse to do the same.

I think Japan and Korea should put this behind them. I think both countries need to let go of the enmity and the bad blood. Americans don't hate the Japanese for Pearl Harbor or Guadalcanal or Bataan any more than we hate the British for taxing us without Parliamentary representation, or the Germans for the Nazi party. Those things happened in the past. It is important to understand what happened and accept it as a fact, and learn from it, but also move on.

 

[caster51]

I had no idea it is possible to write two exact opposite (正反対) things within 10 min.
I also think Japan should apologise, though it won't give anyone his/her life back

what is opposite?
please say it concretely one-by-one.
then I can explain one-by-one.

at first, japan did not invade and fight against Korea at that time.
japan never did like that

Jeju uprising - Wikipedia

 

[CBT1979]

Actually it was 1895 when China lost its power influence in Korea after losing the war against Japanese troops (Korea was a tributive country like Okinawa , Tibet, Vietnam etc.).
At the same time China lost Taiwan to Japan (also part of the treaty) where Taiwan was under Japanese rule and teachings until 1945.

 

[CBT1979]

I think most Japanese Know why they hate the Japanese.
it is not because of Nanking.
you should know about Sinocentrism
Korea is also mini-Sinocentrism
that is why they always need an origin of something like it to come from China or Korea ...
do you need to explain/
Sinocentrism - Wikipedia

No, not because of Nanking alone, because it was just the tip of the iceberg due Nanking was the capital of China back then. The atrocities were also committed in other regions of China and in other Asian countries.

However, it is not true that all Chinese dislike/ or even hate Japanese because of the war atrocities from 1937-1945. I also have lost grandparents during that war but that does not make me dislike Japanese generally. Why?
Because prejudice is no good (actually very evil) since you cannot blame all Japanese (maybe from several thousand to 3 millions of the soldiers were involved out of Japan's total population of 65 million back then).

The only thing Japan's education ministry must do is not to play down the historical facts. Because re-writing the history is not only humiliation for the Chinese & other war dead, but also for the Japanese war dead, no matter they were soldiers or civilians.
Much blood was shed on many sides and at least we should all know the facts so that later generations won't repeat dark history.

 

[caster51]

@CBT1979, I understand you well......
in today's thought, I am regrettable that Japan annexed Korea
japan invaded Korea?
it is not true history.
The reason exists if Korea annexes it as a phenomenon.
the reason might be sound beautiful for them..

Because re-writing the history

what is rewriting? what parts?
I can not still understand.

we should all know the facts so that later generations won't repeat dark history

all we know War is ugly
and the stupid country is still fighting and killing
the human being history is the history of WAR.
WAR will never disapper..
What we had to know is why it happened...
then The cause is removed.
article9 is the Japanese introspection and apology
before that we must investigate fact.
at first, don't misunderstand denying of Nanking incident is not as same as not repeating the dark history.

 

[GodEmperorLeto]

Much blood was shed on many sides and at least we should all know the facts so that later generations won't repeat dark history.

Yes. This is perfectly true.

at first, dont misunderstand denying of Nanking incident is not as same as not repeating the dark history.

To deny history is worse than ignoring it. If ignoring it dooms you to repeat it, then what does denying it do? If a person does bad things, but wants to be come a good person, he must first face the bad things he has done. Otherwise, he is running from his past.

 

[caster51]

To deny history is worse than ignoring it

just Wait!!
what history did I deny?☝
I deny the incident that is called Nanking Incident by Chinese (300,000 civilians ppl were killed.)

WAR DAMAGE IN THE NANKING AREA
December, 1937 to March, 1938
著者名 Dr.Lewis S. C. Smythe(Professor of Sociology, University of Nanking)AND ASSISTANTS
出版社 THE MERCURY PRESS, SHANGHAI, CHINA

http://www.history.gr.jp/nanking/LSCSmythe.pdf

then what does denying it do? If a person does bad things but wants to become a good person, he must first face the bad things he has done. Otherwise, he is running from his past

.
if it is Fact, I don't deny.
that is why I said " show the evidence"
af course it is difficult to deny because of Probation diabolical.
Probatio diabolica - Wikipedia
why dose china deny this?
Tungchow mutiny - Wikipedia

If I am running from the past, I would avoid and close my eyes.
even a bad person has a right to deny that he did not do