Japan & Taiwan: Bilateral relations

[Mikawa Ossan]

You can find thousands of photos in Yahoo or anywhere else
by input "Japan massacre" or similar key words.
I will show you some of them, let's see how you
sophisticate for your ancestor
you can judge "when? ,what incident?, who did?, who was victim?" yourself
http://upfile.cat898.com/UploadFile/2007-6/20076255251965.jpg
http://upfile.cat898.com/UploadFile/2007-6/2007625535148.jpg
http://upfile.cat898.com/UploadFile/2007-6/20076255316220.jpg
http://upfile.cat898.com/UploadFile/2007-6/2007625532553.jpg
http://upfile.cat898.com/UploadFile/2007-6/20076255333885.jpg
http://upfile.cat898.com/UploadFile/2007-6/20076255342207.jpg
http://upfile.cat898.com/UploadFile/2007-6/20076255350527.jpg
http://upfile.cat898.com/UploadFile/2007-6/2007625540457.jpg
http://upfile.cat898.com/UploadFile/2007-6/2007625548898.jpg
http://upfile.cat898.com/UploadFile/2007-6/20076255417106.jpg
http://upfile.cat898.com/UploadFile/2007-6/20076255427958.jpg

I can not read Chinese, so I don't know what "您所下载的资源来自凯迪网络，稍后将自动返回首页..." means, but if you're going to supply a link or more, please do so to valid links.

Also, just spamming our boards with pictures without giving any explanation for the pictures is not acceptable behaviour. Consider this a warning.

Explain your pictures. Do not have us "make our own conclusions". Similar behavior will not be tolerated in the future.

 

[gs001]

OK,it is your forum, I won't promulgate pictures again.
But there are two conclusion
1>It is extremity difficult for Japanese to accept the fact.
2>China must own a super strong military power to prevent
this tragedy happen again.

 

[hanachan]

The Olympic game is the peaceful event. Who wants to go to such a "super strong militarized" country?

 

[diceke]

The Chinese are hardly an example of good behaviour themselves. Mao killed millions of his own casual dis-regard for human life during the cultural revolution and during the war. You want 'evil ancestors' look to your own as well. No country can call itself a paragon of virtue.

There's an old adage in Chinese: 'Contemplate your faults behind closed doors'. Whose faults? The guy's next door, of course!

 

[pipokun]

OK,it is your forum, I won't promulgate pictures again.
But there are two conclusion
1>It is extremity difficult for Japanese to accept the fact.
2>China must own a super strong military power to prevent
this tragedy happen again.

Do you know Japan Communist Party openly criticises the monachy here?
Their policy even includes abolishing the monarch, however it is fortunte that they have not obtained popularity.

You may say that Tibet and Uighur are your internal matters, but how about Korea, India, Vietnam, the former USSR, etc?
I partly agree that Japan should provide some military boats to ASEAN countries to tackle pirates there, but I want to laugh heartily at hypocracy of small arms exporting countries incl. your country, so I fully support the Japan's strict arms export control.

Hopefully we can agree that the Korean nationalists claiming the 2000 year old ancient coutnries are a bit outdated.

 

[gs001]

Do you know Japan Communist Party openly criticises the monachy here?
Their policy even includes abolishing the monarch, however it is fortunte that they have not obtained popularity.

I don't want to give you an impression that I hate Japan or Japanese.
But to any country, if there are some dark periods in history, you
should face it in stead of deny it.
BTW, tomorrow is a dark day for China (anniversary of 1989.6.4).
Japan Communist Party? maybe they are real communist, but in China,
we have a fake one

You may say that Tibet and Uighur are your internal matters, but how about Korea, India, Vietnam, the former USSR, etc?

Are they the same issue?

partly agree that Japan should provide some military boats to ASEAN countries to tackle pirates there, .

Japan's attitude of its militaristic past makes countries around it
feel nervous, so any Japanese military action oversea will be opposed
by its neighbors, if one day when Japan solved its history problem
throw off the heavy burden of its militaristic past completely, just like what German did
"provide some military boats to ASEAN countries to tackle pirates" will be out of question.

but I want to laugh heartily at hypocracy of small arms exporting countries incl. your country, so I fully support the Japan's strict arms export control.

Why do you pay so much attention to "small arms export"?
is that a big issue?

Hopefully we can agree that the Korean nationalists claiming the 2000 year old ancient coutnries are a bit outdated.

As I know Korean nationalists claiming that half of Chinese territory
and whole Jananese territory belong to Korean, they must be mad

 

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

Why do you pay so much attention to "small arms export"?
is that a big issue?

It is so,
China exports a poisoned pet food and,
They kill a student with the ramen which they made with waste oil,
A Chinese palms off poison in the disguise of a cold medicine and kills people more than 400 people.
They export the tooth powder which they mixed a toxic substance with.


China spreads terrorism all over the world.

 

[gs001]

It is so,
China exports a poisoned pet food and,
They kill a student with the ramen which they made with waste oil,
A Chinese palms off poison in the disguise of a cold medicine and kills people more than 400 people.
They export the tooth powder which they mixed a toxic substance with.
China spreads terrorism all over the world.

Great, China now is the third largest trader in the world
and is going to be the second largest trader soon.
I hope your "spreads terrorism" theory can stop this process
good luck

 

[hanachan]

Great, China now is the third largest trader in the world
and is going to be the second largest trader soon.

I wonder when is the largest bubble burst? ☝

 

[gs001]

I wonder when is the largest bubble burst? ☝

wait........&...........see

 

[Davey]

Back to the topic please! Japan & Taiwan: Bilateral relations.

 

[shiroma]

Former President Returns from Trip to Japan

As he was attacked by a Chinese traveler at the Tokyo airport before he boarded an airplane for Taiwan earlier that day, police at the Taoyuan airport was put on high alert and began checking every tour bus arriving at the airport to prevent possible protesters from gathering before his arrival.

The Chinese hurled a couple of plastic soda bottles at Dr. Lee in departure lobby at Narita airport Terminal 2.

Bottles did not hit anyone, the Chinese was arrested there. Some reports mention that the self-claimed engineer, 34yr old, has been living in Chiba since Sep. 2005.

 

[82riceballs]

How do the most of Taiwanese think about mainland China, today?

hmmm... good question- not very well. I read somewhere that Taiwanese use the word 'chinese' to refer to something unorganized. i myself have never heard that used before and question the validity of that statement. but nonetheless, mainlanders aren't held in very high esteem by the local Taiwanese. just think abt China being in the UN security council, always against Taiwanese membership. then, there's the 800 ballistic missiles. then, there's the anti-secession law. further, China has even gone as far as to declare that Taiwan is a nonexistent country and merely a 'renegade province' and contradicts itself in saying that Taiwan must 'reunite' with the mainland. the list goes on.

 

[caster51]

I think Taiwan was never a part of china in her history

 

[82riceballs]

so very true, caster51! as far as i'm concerned, the island was a part of the qing dynasty which then handed taiwan over to japan 'in perpetuity'. for a while it was part of the ROC (not the current PRC), but taiwan has NEVER been a part of the PRC, the communist nation of today.

 

[shiroma]

The Chinese hurled a couple of plastic soda bottles at Dr. Lee in departure lobby at Narita airport Terminal 2.

Protestors Slam Taiwan Separatist in Beijing

"We are furious that such a righteous person has been arrested without reason," protester Zhao Ronglai told reporters. "I hope the world's people hear the cry of the Chinese.

Crying about a retired old man's overseas trip, no one knew that Chinese hearts were that fragile. Or are they just so scared of him.

Then, the "and demanded the release of a Chinese man arrested for throwing a bottle at the politician as he was heading home" clause suggests that some people might not have reached the level to comprehend what the word "law" means.
By the way, Dr. Lee Teng-hui is no longer a politician.

Why did they feel like going to Japanese embassy instead of direct complaints to Taiwan. Why Chinese media reports just ten-or-so fenqing "protest" that big, while virtually no coverage there about countless domestic riots against corruptions, real fights between thousands of peasants and armored police everytime.

Why did the Xue Yi guy decide to live in the country he hates so much.

 

[4321go]

it does not look like the Taiwanese and japanese

show your image ,and then tell anyone that it not look like ~

Yeah, I want to see.
please note "when? ,what incident?, who did?, who was victim?" Ok
like this.
CNN - Photos document brutality in Shanghai - Sept. 23, 1996

umm~ you could get the answer eazy~!ask your father's parents or your mother's parents,include their friends. At what time ,where he was,~

I wonder if they would like to tell . Maybe they would like to keep it as screct into the grave.

The Chinese are hardly an example of good behaviour themselves. Mao killed millions of his own casual dis-regard for human life during the cultural revolution and during the war. You want 'evil ancestors' look to your own as well. No country can call itself a paragon of virtue.

umm, this will last forever..... of course ,you are not a scholar .but you may know when a new goverment establish by force, it will kill many people,
UK? France? USA? all like this~~!!
too bad~ yes, I am so lucky ,so do you ~!

 

[82riceballs]

if you haven't noticed...

Well, there is a big difference between Mao and the revolutionaries of UK, France, and USA- Besides the fact that Mao killed a greater percentage of his "fellow comrades", don't forget that the UK, France, and USA are all democracies/republics- places where there is freedom of speech, religion, press, etc. Further, the Chinese gov't officials still persecutes supporters of democracy unlike UK, France, and USA. you can't compare PRC, a third world country to the countries at the top of the world- UK, France, USA. You can't even use wikipedia or an uncensored google in China!!!

another thing- all rebellions/resistance forces/people who hate the government and take action are quickly suppressed and not put in the news. take tiananmen for instance- all foreign reporters were kicked out of the country. the man who threw soda bottles at Former President Lee was shown all over the country- in other words, PRC honored the violent man. had this been a japanese man, the entire country would have been shamed and formally apologized. I think that the PRC owes Taiwan a formal apology for what it did.

To answer Caster51's question about why the man lived in the country he hated, I'm guessing that the soda bottles were a show set up by the Chinese government. (protests are illegal in China; this was clearly a show by the gov't).

 

[shiroma]

薛义

Chinese Man Fined for Hurling Bottles to ex-Taiwan President at Narita

A 34-year-old Chinese man paid a 200,000 yen fine Wednesday on orders from the Chiba Summary Court for hurling plastic bottles at former Taiwanese President Lee Teng-hui at Japan's Narita airport earlier this month.

 

[pipokun]

No liberal media or loud political parties who must be louder when yakuza threatens them condemn the Chinese guy.
A mystery...

 

[4321go]

Well, there is a big difference between Mao and the revolutionaries of UK, France, and USA- Besides the fact that Mao killed a greater percentage of his "fellow comrades", don't forget that the UK, France, and USA are all democracies/republics- places where there is freedom of speech, religion, press, etc. Further, the Chinese gov't officials still persecutes supporters of democracy unlike UK, France, and USA. you can't compare PRC, a third world country to the countries at the top of the world- UK, France, USA. You can't even use wikipedia or an uncensored google in China!!!

another thing- all rebellions/resistance forces/people who hate the government and take action are quickly suppressed and not put in the news. take tiananmen for instance- all foreign reporters were kicked out of the country. the man who threw soda bottles at Former President Lee was shown all over the country- in other words, PRC honored the violent man. had this been a japanese man, the entire country would have been shamed and formally apologized. I think that the PRC owes Taiwan a formal apology for what it did.

To answer Caster51's question about why the man lived in the country he hated, I'm guessing that the soda bottles were a show set up by the Chinese government. (protests are illegal in China; this was clearly a show by the gov't).

"cold war" time return??


you yourself can play the role of "an opposition party " of CCP.

I can use wikipedia ,but not the Chinese version. for there are so many Taiwanese post rubbish thereﾂ， there looks like a new wasteyard .

wiki , a good word ,web 2.0.....even me can make install a wiki system on the web server.

 

[82riceballs]

you yourself can play the role of "an opposition party " of CCP.

yeah, i could, but it's not one of my intentions to be arrested and shot by a Chinese firing squad in my near future. plus, has the ccp done anything worth commenting on for those poor people working in crowded, filthy, and harmful working conditions?

I can use wikipedia ,but not the Chinese version. for there are so many Taiwanese post rubbish thereﾂ， there looks like a new wasteyard .

hmmm.... so u think only taiwanese ppl post rubbish??? don't make such racist comments. besides, if they post rubbish on the Chinese version, don't you think they'd also post rubbish on the English version?

in ur opinion, the following would be rubbish, right?
Falun Gong - Wikipedia
Taiwan independence movement - Wikipedia
Taiwan independence movement - Wikipedia

and i hope u have a good reason why the bottle-thrower is gaining widespread support and congratulations in PRC.

 

[4321go]

yeah, i could, but it's not one of my intentions to be arrested and shot by a Chinese firing squad in my near future. plus, has the ccp done anything worth commenting on for those poor people working in crowded, filthy, and harmful working conditions?
.

CCP really needs an opposition party,for it is good for the citizen. Maybe the pressure in and outside could force the CCP fall out of power,but it is obviously that the CCP won't give up the power by itself.

Another revolution? of couse,it would kill many people~! ...

The best way I think is eacefully change.

hmmm.... so u think only taiwanese ppl post rubbish??? don't make such racist comments. besides, if they post rubbish on the Chinese version, don't you think they'd also post rubbish on the English version?
in ur opinion, the following would be rubbish, right?
Falun Gong - Wikipedia
Taiwan independence movement - Wikipedia
Taiwan independence movement - Wikipedia

The modern-day political movement for Taiwan independence dates back to the Japanese colonial period but became a viable political force within Taiwan only in the 1990s

Before Japanese colonial period ,Taiwan belongs to China~ after that,Tanwan return.

The most Taiwanness are descendant of Chinese~ .In law, as the pic show below:

~

the picture above is from 'Cairo's declaration".It shows "formosa shall be restored to the Republic of China"!!
decisive evidence ...irrefutable...

Both Republic of China and People's Republic of China are stand for China,now in UN, PRC stand for China, once it was ROC.

the man who threw soda bottles at Former President Lee was shown all over the country.
and i hope u have a good reason why the bottle-thrower is gaining widespread support and congratulations in PRC.

When a rat runs across the street everybody cries, "kill it!"

the Former President Lee is the godfather of modern political movement for Taiwan independence .

I dislike him, but so far I don't know Lee has been threwn soda bottles .

Lee once said : he is Japanese befor he at the age of 20.In Lee's early years,he lived in Japanese colonial period .Lee is a strange man.

 

[caster51]

Before Japanese colonial period ,Taiwan belongs to China~ after that,Tanwan return.

there is no such doccument that taiwan was a part of china
there was no official signature in cairo Communiqué


Btw
the chinese must learn a word of cession

 

[4321go]

cession ???

well , back to the title of this thread:" Japan &TaiWan relations"

The best relations you wish is: back to the Japanese colonial period ,right??

TaiWan of China is like Alsace of France, although, cession....once it has been stolen by the German,After the WW1, it returns to French.

clear??

cession ?? yes , the leader of China should learn this word,that's the reason to why China did't dismember Japan...

Maybe I made some mistake, please forgive me if it is.