is it all about the visual?

[mizerable_d]

If she hates a band just for changing their style, that's just sad...

no, she dislike them for not even caring for their old songs. she mentioned somewhere that Toshiya lacked his skill he had for cage (although i think that is total bull, because Toshiya's bass=heaven) it seems to me that she cares a thing or two about music.

 

[mizerable_d]

Diru ish my god -is listening to them now- iono I dont think its all visual... yes Kyo is an adorable kitty, and Shinya and Toshiya are beautiful, and Die... well hes to die for and Kaoru is sexy, but I love their music, old and new -_-; Theyre one of my fav bands, and they have music that really makes me all emotional and stuff ok I'm done ranting -runs away and hides in a dark pit-

i guess you're a visual fan.

 

[Horizon]

no, she dislike them for not even caring for their old songs. she mentioned somewhere that Toshiya lacked his skill he had for cage (although i think that is total bull, because Toshiya's bass=heaven) it seems to me that she cares a thing or two about music.

And how does she know that they don't care about their old songs anymore? Maybe they've just changed so much over the years and now don't think their appropriate for them to perform anymore and/or they want to focus all their attention on how they are now and their new songs.

I hate it when people go yapping their mouth when they wouldn't know what the Hell is truly going on. I highly doubt the possibility that she can read minds and/or that they'd oh-so nicely inform her of everything on their minds. So, thusly, maybe, just maybe, she should stop pretending, hmm?

 

[Horizon]

i guess you're a visual fan.

And how'd you get that from this?

 

[rose_of_eternity]

i guess you're a visual fan.

Nah not really, yes, some are pretty, but I dont need to watch a pv to enjoy music, nor do I need to obsess over piccies, I don't listen to music just because the singer is good -_-; I listen because the muuuusic ish good too ^_^ Im a bit of both sides, if you get my drift

 

[mizerable_d]

And how does she know that they don't care about their old songs anymore? Maybe they've just changed so much over the years and now don't think their appropriate for them to perform anymore and/or they want to focus all their attention on how they are now and their new songs.

I hate it when people go yapping their mouth when they wouldn't know what the Hell is truly going on. I highly doubt the possibility that she can read minds and/or that they'd oh-so nicely inform her of everything on their minds. So, thusly, maybe, just maybe, she should stop pretending, hmm?

well they dont even play their old songs anymore... i guess they are focusing on their new album...

*shrugs* she's a really huge jrock fan and very knowledgable about it. i'd think she knows what she's talking about.

 

[hebiichigo]

when Withering came out, it's like "o my this sounds like Vulgar!". my problem is that they stopped changing music wise.

I completely disagree that Withering sounds like Vulgar.

And yeah, they dressed up in Vulgar. But it wasn't the same, was it? They still 'dress up', but maybe I should have made it more clear, that it's not the usual Visual Kei style that people like. I don't mean that people only dislike them now because of this, and I know people who just don't like the music, but it's still a factor. They stopped looking like pretty girls. Why? Because they are adult men... XD

They could be ugly as ever and I would still like them.

 

[mizerable_d]

And how'd you get that from this?

Kyo is an adorable kitten... do i need to say more? xD

Kyo will eat you -_-

 

[Horizon]

well they dont even play their old songs anymore... i guess they are focusing on their new album...

*shrugs* she's a really huge jrock fan and very knowledgable about it. i'd think she knows what she's talking about.

Just because you're a 'fan' of music, doesn't mean you know everything about a band, like, say, how they think, feel, et cetera. I doubt she's an empath and that wouldn't probably work anyway.

Oh! And I'm quite knowledgeable when it comes to animals! So I suppose, by your logic, I should be able to just magically know how they all think? Feel? Et cetera? Wow...I must need more practice then...

 

[Horizon]

Kyo is an adorable kitten... do i need to say more? xD

Kyo will eat you -_-

Did you not see the 'yes' before that? It seemed to me like she was admitting how hot they were, but HOWEVER...

Basically, you can drool and drool over someone, but that doesn't mean you like their looks more than their music, now does it?

 

[hebiichigo]

Dir en grey have been around for a long time. They have a HUGE list of songs. When they go on tour, they generally play the most recent songs that they've released. In order to promote those songs, doesn't it make sense? The people going to their lives now (generally) like the newer songs, so why would they play all the old stuff?

 

[Horizon]

And that there makes some logical sense!

 

[mizerable_d]

I completely disagree that Withering sounds like Vulgar.

And yeah, they dressed up in Vulgar. But it wasn't the same, was it? They still 'dress up', but maybe I should have made it more clear, that it's not the usual Visual Kei style that people like. I don't mean that people only dislike them now because of this, and I know people who just don't like the music, but it's still a factor. They stopped looking like pretty girls. Why? Because they are adult men... XD

They could be ugly as ever and I would still like them.

i personally like them with no make up... and their visual look was nice, very creative, but im also really tired of VKness, because a lot of them i heard weren't that awsome. i like music by people i dont even have a clue what they look like.

i think Vulgar and Withering are very similar. at least compared to the differences they had between their preivous albums.

 

[mizerable_d]

Just because you're a 'fan' of music, doesn't mean you know everything about a band, like, say, how they think, feel, et cetera. I doubt she's an empath and that wouldn't probably work anyway.

Oh! And I'm quite knowledgeable when it comes to animals! So I suppose, by your logic, I should be able to just magically know how they all think? Feel? Et cetera? Wow...I must need more practice then...

i guess she just doesnt like their new stuff.

 

[rose_of_eternity]

Did you not see the 'yes' before that? It seemed to me like she was admitting how hot they were, but HOWEVER...

Basically, you can drool and drool over someone, but that doesn't mean you like their looks more than their music, now does it?

-huggles Horizon for understanding-

 

[mizerable_d]

Did you not see the 'yes' before that? It seemed to me like she was admitting how hot they were, but HOWEVER...

Basically, you can drool and drool over someone, but that doesn't mean you like their looks more than their music, now does it?

i never said she didnt like music.

 

[hebiichigo]

i personally like them with no make up... and their visual look was nice, very creative, but im also really tired of VKness, because a lot of them i heard weren't that awsome. i like music by people i dont even have a clue what they look like.

I like them without make up, too. I wasn't saying that you personally preferred them when they were extremely VK or anything. I was just rambling on.. XD
I agree with you that a lot of VK bands don't sound that good even if they do look good. But there are some that do

 

[mizerable_d]

Dir en grey have been around for a long time. They have a HUGE list of songs. When they go on tour, they generally play the most recent songs that they've released. In order to promote those songs, doesn't it make sense? The people going to their lives now (generally) like the newer songs, so why would they play all the old stuff?

exactly why they are losing old fans.

but ya i did say that they are focusing on their new album at lives.

i also got dissapointed in the ZAN live in Blitz5days. Kyo hardly sang anywords, he just kinda made noises... it made me sad.

 

[mizerable_d]

I like them without make up, too. I agree with you that a lot of VK bands don't sound that good even if they do look good. But there are some that do

yes i do like quite a few VK bands, or used to be VK bands. however i have expanded my horizons to other kick *** music as well xD *loves them...*

 

[Kinsao]

geeeeeeee... a lot of intense postageness to get through!

I agree with what Horizon, Furan and Hebiichigo were saying on the last page.

It seems to me that pretty well everyone on this forum is agreed that they no way like bands just for their looks, but first and foremost for the music... because, let's face it, to like a band only for looks is pretty dumb, yes? They do work at making music, not being models! And people have said that thing over and over at various places on this forum, so I am just repeating now.

And on other forums there is the same thing - music fans complaining about the 'fangirls' who are only interested in looks. Although, I have never run across one of these visual-obsessed fangirls.

People who are well into the music, will obviously still make comments on the looks and such. That's normal. It doesn't mean the looks come first for them. Personally, I feel it gets to a point where it's taken as a given that we love the music primarily, and this forum just becomes a place where we can let our hair down and gush about random crap about the way our favourite musicians look. I think that's why there's so many threads like 'cutest jrocker', 'prettiest jrocker', etc. etc. Because it's just a bit of fun, and everyone here is mature enough to know that. (@ lastmagi: I think that addresses what you said about the threads being very visual-orientated. When you say 'unnecessary' images, I take issue with that, because, in my experience, people on this forum are only too willing to share their jrock music with others and exchange/post music just as much as images. The pics are their to provide the icing on the cake for those who already enjoy the songs.)

Personally, I kind of see the music and visual as entirely seperate. I mean, I have some pics of bands I've never even heard, which is pretty bad... but it's for kind of artistic reasons, if you follow me (oh gods, that sounds pretentious, but you know what I mean...), just that I like the nice pics. If the music doesn't do anything for me I obviously won't listen. In that case, I guess I look at the pics as I would at models.

But as I'm sure you already notice... my memory is terrible. So often, I can't remember at all what band members look like, can't tell them apart, etc. etc. So I'm already off at a bad start for visual!

I am sorry... I go on too long again. Mostly people already said what I wanted to say...

About Diru, though... I honestly am not even sure from which album are a lot of the songs I've got. I just listen and have my own personal faves. So I can't compare the latest albums with the older ones. But, it doesn't strike me that they are the kind of band who would churn out songs just for a market. I think they would make the kind of music they want... so I wish them all of luck, and I just continue to judge the individual songs and see if I like them or not. But to say that their technique is getting not so good? I wouldn't know about that... I haven't seen recent live... I can't see it happening as they seem to me very disciplined about such things, but it would be a shame if it was true. I hope not.

I'll shut up now.

 

[Horizon]

I agree with Kinsao as well!

i never said she didnt like music.

You were implying she liked the looks possibly more than the music however...

-huggles Horizon for understanding-

-huggles back- Of course!

i guess she just doesnt like their new stuff.

And? Point please and thank you? I don't like a lot of people, but you don't see me attempting to somehow use my amazing empathy ability to read their minds or something and then turn around and begin to poison others' thoughts on them.

If she doesn't like them anymore, then fine, sure, whatever. Everyone's allowed their own taste. However, she should just cease in the entire 'let's all tell everyone how crappy they are now! lyk hommigawdd!'. People still like them and it's horribly unfair towards them to hear pissy, little ******* like Kaiden constantly bring down their band(s) just because they changed (apparently kind of like always)...

And if someone could pretty please with chibi JRockers on top take that and actually put it in better words as I seem unable to, be my guess!

 

[Kinsao]

Actually I think you just said it fine!

 

[Horizon]

Yay! Thank you!

 

[mizerable_d]

It seems to me that pretty well everyone on this forum is agreed that they no way like bands just for their looks, but first and foremost for the music... because, let's face it, to like a band only for looks is pretty dumb, yes? They do work at making music, not being models! And people have said that thing over and over at various places on this forum, so I am just repeating now.

And on other forums there is the same thing - music fans complaining about the 'fangirls' who are only interested in looks. Although, I have never run across one of these visual-obsessed fangirls.

People who are well into the music, will obviously still make comments on the looks and such. That's normal. It doesn't mean the looks come first for them. Personally, I feel it gets to a point where it's taken as a given that we love the music primarily, and this forum just becomes a place where we can let our hair down and gush about random crap about the way our favourite musicians look. I think that's why there's so many threads like 'cutest jrocker', 'prettiest jrocker', etc. etc. Because it's just a bit of fun, and everyone here is mature enough to know that.

i understand that, but i see a lot of people having to look at picture of pretty artists first to actually listen to them. i find that sad. also it kinda makes me a little sad that this forum is almost only about VK artists. everytime someone posts a thread about a different kind of band it gets eaten up very quickly and only very few people make posts in it, while the VK threads stay up for a really long time.

But, it doesn't strike me that they are the kind of band who would churn out songs just for a market.

well their goal is to sell to the world isn't it? and in japan the record companies use their artists to make money, and the oversea is a good market. sadly i dont think the americans would appreciate their older style...

 

[mizerable_d]

And? Point please and thank you? I don't like a lot of people, but you don't see me attempting to somehow use my amazing empathy ability to read their minds or something and then turn around and begin to poison others' thoughts on them.

If she doesn't like them anymore, then fine, sure, whatever. Everyone's allowed their own taste. However, she should just cease in the entire 'let's all tell everyone how crappy they are now! lyk hommigawdd!'. People still like them and it's horribly unfair towards them to hear pissy, little ******* like Kaiden constantly bring down their band(s) just because they changed (apparently kind of like always)...

i think she just have hard opinion on things and express them and backing her thought up. lets say, she's honest.

Diru is god, but really i think Gauze and Macabre were their finest albums. for their earlier stuff, especially Gauze, i like almost every single song. for their latest 2 albums, i only like half of the album, if not less.