What is so great about Hyde and Gackt?

[Horizon]

Great job on being ageist...

And that's all I'm going to say as that completely turned me off of this discussion. Great job

 

[Horizon]

because i droped theater studies to continue with fine art....

lol, yes, i am awear that many things are named such that they shouldn't be... but acting is genuinly quolified as a ligitimate art... or do i need to go sue my drama teacher?

yes, interperative inporvisation.... that's where you see the real art.
art is a form of expression....
are you telling me now that dancing isn't an art?
some people can't use their hands to expressthemselves, so some use words, others use their body.
art isn't confinde to a sheet of paper...
that's why so many people can do such different things... i mean... i don't understand how a half empty glass of water on a shelf can be considered art.... but it is all the same...
i could be really tacky here and go get the huge dictionary downstairs and tel you the definition of art.... but it's downstairs and it's hearvy
but yeah... i'm just wondering... have ou ever gone to the theater?
or seen the royal shakespear company in action?
they have a director, ye... because it's necessary to have someone looking in on the outside, telling them how it looks back... but they develop the charaters manorisms and such themselves... they have the guidlines with the script, but it;s their job to make it clear what they're doing, so the audience can understand it, without haveing to spacifically understand everyword that's spoken....

lol, those last to actors are two very highly respected actors that indeed started off in the royal shakespear company.
damn Judey Dench... umm... she played queen victoria in victoria? err... she's the new 'm' in the james bond films... she was the older iris in that iris film.. lol.. she's been in loads, it would be stupid for me to name all the roles she's ever played
sir Ian McKellin..... Gandalf dear

Actually, I have been to a threater and, well, it was amazing and all, but meh...

And how could it not be clear? It's written out completely for them! Except, again, the one's that improvise (and that would be thr word I couldn't remember before).

And, well, I'm not afraid to be tacky here:

Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.
The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.
The study of these activities.
The product of these activities; human works of beauty considered as a group.
High quality of conception or execution, as found in works of beauty; aesthetic value.
A field or category of art, such as music, ballet, or literature.
A nonscientific branch of learning; one of the liberal arts.
A system of principles and methods employed in the performance of a set of activities: the art of building.
A trade or craft that applies such a system of principles and methods: the art of the lexicographer.
Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.
Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties: ﾂ"Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to practiceﾂ" (Joyce Carol Oates).
arts Artful devices, stratagems, and tricks.
Artful contrivance; cunning.
Printing. Illustrative material.

No where in there does it mention the word 'acting'. It mentions the arrangement of sound, movement, et cetera, but that's the script-writers who do that. And perhaps the director as well.

And, as for the dancer thing, whoever makes up the moves and all, going by this definition, is an artist as it's an arrangement of movements. But the people that learn the moves and all aren't the same as they're doing nothing but following and performing what someone else created.

Kind of like (most) actors.

And I thought Ian McKellin was Gandolf (and also Magneto! xD), but I wasn't sure as I have a bad memory and all

And, well, I still have no clue as to who the other person is :sorry:

 

[Kinsao]

Is it easy to find out that your boyfriend has been cheating on you?
Is it easy to tell your best friend that her son has just died?
Is it easy to find out you are pregnant... and be pleased about it?
Is it easy to walk into a room and find your mum giving your close (male!) friend a blowjob?
Is it easy to hear people insulting your father at his funeral?
Even, is it easy to love your father very much even if he's a male chauvinist pig?
Is it easy to *be* one-quarter of a machine for torturing people?
Is it easy to be convulsed with hilarity, while your good friend is seriously ill in hospital?
Is it easy to be a 37-year-old virgin?
Is it easy to commit murder?
Is it easy to be seen and not heard?
Is it easy to lose everything you ever had?
...the list could go on...

If you can answer 'yes' to those questions, *maybe* you could be a good actor.

 

[Horizon]

Umm, Horizon, not that I'm meaning to ***** or anything, but... "I understand art perfectly" ???????
☝ ☝ ☝ ☝ ☝ <-- I kind of looked like that when I read...

Sorry, but if you can say that, please take your head out your ***.

No offence meant, of course.

Offense taken thank you

Is it easy to find out that your boyfriend has been cheating on you?
Is it easy to tell your best friend that her son has just died?
Is it easy to find out you are pregnant... and be pleased about it?
Is it easy to walk into a room and find your mum giving your close (male!) friend a blowjob?
Is it easy to hear people insulting your father at his funeral?
Even, is it easy to love your father very much even if he's a male chauvinist pig?
Is it easy to *be* one-quarter of a machine for torturing people?
Is it easy to be convulsed with hilarity, while your good friend is seriously ill in hospital?
Is it easy to be a 37-year-old virgin?
Is it easy to commit murder?
Is it easy to be seen and not heard?
Is it easy to lose everything you ever had?
...the list could go on...

If you can answer 'yes' to those questions, *maybe* you could be a good actor.

And more than likely, yes. I'm not interested in this entire thing, so I don't do it, but I could.

P.S. It's not like 37 year old Virgins are an entirely different species here.

 

[furan]

Actually, I have been to a threater and, well, it was amazing and all, but meh...

And how could it not be clear? It's written out completely for them! Except, again, the one's that improvise (and that would be thr word I couldn't remember before).

And, well, I'm not afraid to be tacky here:



No where in there does it mention the word 'acting'. It mentions the arrangement of sound, movement, et cetera, but that's the script-writers who do that. And perhaps the director as well.

And, as for the dancer thing, whoever makes up the moves and all, going by this definition, is an artist as it's an arrangement of movements. But the people that learn the moves and all aren't the same as they're doing nothing but following and performing what someone else created.

Kind of like (most) actors.

And I thought Ian McKellin was Gandolf (and also Magneto! xD), but I wasn't sure as I have a bad memory and all

And, well, I still have no clue as to who the other person is :sorry:

ah.... it's the interpritation of that tho....
human effort to imitate that would be covered by acting, wouldn't it?
and... i thing drama is one of the libral arts... but i'm not sure, so... you can shoot me if i'm wrong
Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art. that too... acting covers that.....


you are awear that there is an artist who basically thinks up the idea and gets his students to paint it, right?
i dis agree with it, but... hey, he's liked by a lot of people (sorry, if forgotten his name... a pop-artist)

although... actually all these examples that are coming to my head would then prove that the artist is the director... not the actor....
i mean... in the end it's up to you what you decid art is or not.... but...
what about a pianist playing... mozart?
their interpirtation of the pice makes all the difference... if they simply play what's written down, nothing more nothing less... then it sounds bland and dull...
it they use their interpritation, and... not change the pice, but... tweek it here and there.... then it because an art to do so.
yay, i found an eexample, lol.
they can always be told what to do, but the art comes in taking that, and interpritating it in such a way that it's no longer bland and souless....
when a true actor is acting... they aren't thinking... ok, now i need to twitch my left eye to show i'm adjitated.... they just do it because they aren't thinking about it.... they are that person....

hmm.. i've kinda lost my flow again, lol.... o well.... i hope some of that made some sence....

hee hee, yes, indeed he is magneto also... it would be really foolish to list all his rolse too... but i knew you're know that one..

still don't know Judey Dench?
......... can someone help me out here?
she's..... damn... i can't think right now
umm... oo, idea:
List of Awards and Nominations Received by Judi Dench | DJD Chronology
and yes... i've been spelling it wrong.... shh :releif:

 

[Kinsao]

Y'know, I can't believe we're still arguing about this. And everyone else is too restrained just to go... "omg how childish"

 

[furan]

cos... um... i'd say it was more of a debate than an agument now....
but that's cos i like to avoid conflict..... but at the same time love to express my opinion....

 

[Horizon]

ah.... it's the interpritation of that tho....
human effort to imitate that would be covered by acting, wouldn't it?
and... i thing drama is one of the libral arts... but i'm not sure, so... you can shoot me if i'm wrong
Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art. that too... acting covers that.....


you are awear that there is an artist who basically thinks up the idea and gets his students to paint it, right?
i dis agree with it, but... hey, he's liked by a lot of people (sorry, if forgotten his name... a pop-artist)

although... actually all these examples that are coming to my head would then prove that the artist is the director... not the actor....
i mean... in the end it's up to you what you decid art is or not.... but...
what about a pianist playing... mozart?
their interpirtation of the pice makes all the difference... if they simply play what's written down, nothing more nothing less... then it sounds bland and dull...
it they use their interpritation, and... not change the pice, but... tweek it here and there.... then it because an art to do so.
yay, i found an eexample, lol.
they can always be told what to do, but the art comes in taking that, and interpritating it in such a way that it's no longer bland and souless....
when a true actor is acting... they aren't thinking... ok, now i need to twitch my left eye to show i'm adjitated.... they just do it because they aren't thinking about it.... they are that person....

hmm.. i've kinda lost my flow again, lol.... o well.... i hope some of that made some sence....

hee hee, yes, indeed he is magneto also... it would be really foolish to list all his rolse too... but i knew you're know that one..

still don't know Judey Dench?
......... can someone help me out here?
she's..... damn... i can't think right now
umm... oo, idea:
List of Awards and Nominations Received by Judi Dench | DJD Chronology
and yes... i've been spelling it wrong.... shh :releif:

You have any proof that actors do the same? With the entire 'tweaking' thing?

And as long as they add in their own elements, which would be pretty obvious for anyone who listened to that type of music then, yes, it's still art I suppose.

But I appreciate paintings, drawings, et cetera and literature over actual music anyway.

And, as for the artists, or painters in my case here, they're called studios I think and I think the people who paint the head guy's ideas are his students and are probably learning. I'll ask my art teacher tommorrow about this actually.

And yeah...He probably has a sh*t load...Okay...Take that 'probably' out

 

[Horizon]

Y'know, I can't believe we're still arguing about this. And everyone else is too restrained just to go... "omg how childish"

This is actually a debate or a discussion. Not an argument. People have really got to learn the difference between these things! It's not really an argument until people become rude and/or display close-minded and/or insulting behavior. Kind of like these ones:

maybe you're too young to understand that

good for us that horizon is not an actor

Sorry, but if you can say that, please take your head out your ***.

Before these comments I was actually kind of enjoying this discussion. Or, at least with Furan anyway.

Not to mention the main one I'm quoting here as there is absolutely nothing 'childish' about having an intellectual discussion that involves people expressing their views whatsoever. In fact, it's quite an 'adult' thing to do, considering how, in the grown-up world, people engage in such activites all the bloody time.

Now, on the other hand, it gets extremely childish when people begin to get a bit on the rude side and throw around such language, rude sayings, and things that pretty much can be considered as insults. Kind of like what you just did a little while ago.

 

[furan]

You have any proof that actors do the same? With the entire 'tweaking' thing?

And, as for the artists, or painters in my case here, they're called studios I think and I think the people who paint the head guy's ideas are his students and are probably learning. I'll ask my art teacher tommorrow about this actually.

And as long as they add in their own elements, which would be pretty obvious for anyone who listened to that type of music then, yes, it's still art I suppose.

But I appreciate paintings, drawings, et cetera and literature over actual music anyway.

And yeah...He probably has a sh*t load...

um um um....... yes but... dificult to show you.....

i could get an actor in here to talk to you, lol.....a really good family friend of ours is a brillient actor....
he dose entire plays by himself, most notably robbin hood.... playing all the merry men... it's so funny XD
he uses scripts as a guidline, but he derives the stuff himself... he's very good, but he doen't get many gigs because he does a lot of frelance work...


ah, no... i mean there's an actuall artist who doesn't actually do any of his own work.....
yet he sells them on in his name and takes all the credit for it....
i wish i could remeber his name >.<

but what if their own eleent is the emotion behind it.....
they may not actually change an single note or timeing of the piece.... but... well a trained ear at least can tell the difference between a pice with no emotion and a pice with....
what if the art comes from being able to do exactly what's being asked of them.... but make it their own at the same time?

haha, yeah.... he's been in a lot of films and plays... i think... (don't quote me on this) but i think him and Judi Dench where int he royal shakespear company together... like, at the same time..... i'm not sure tho...
still supprised you haven't heard of her ^^;

and.... um...
maybe it's just the fact that we're all typing here and we have no idea what the real emotion is behind a lot of things that are said.... but.... you do have a tendency to sound.... confrontational....
i know i have a bad habit of sounding patroniseng.... but i don;t mean it in the slightest.
you're very clear about what you believe, and you're not willing to back down just because someone disagrees with you, which.... can come across as agressive sometimes...
so i can see where some people are coming from when they believe this to be an agument of such.....
but.... don't worry, i never like to think a person's trying to be nasty or horrible untill i have a LOT of proof pointing that way....

lol, if i'd taken you seriously from the start.... haha
i remeber our first debate..... on how old Gackt was

 

[Kinsao]

I'm just a ***** who enjoys making unpleasant remarks. Nuff said.

 

[Horizon]

um um um....... yes but... dificult to show you.....

i could get an actor in here to talk to you, lol.....a really good family friend of ours is a brillient actor....
he dose entire plays by himself, most notably robbin hood.... playing all the merry men... it's so funny XD
he uses scripts as a guidline, but he derives the stuff himself... he's very good, but he doen't get many gigs because he does a lot of frelance work...


ah, no... i mean there's an actuall artist who doesn't actually do any of his own work.....
yet he sells them on in his name and takes all the credit for it....
i wish i could remeber his name >.<

but what if their own eleent is the emotion behind it.....
they may not actually change an single note or timeing of the piece.... but... well a trained ear at least can tell the difference between a pice with no emotion and a pice with....
what if the art comes from being able to do exactly what's being asked of them.... but make it their own at the same time?

haha, yeah.... he's been in a lot of films and plays... i think... (don't quote me on this) but i think him and Judi Dench where int he royal shakespear company together... like, at the same time..... i'm not sure tho...
still supprised you haven't heard of her ^^;

and.... um...
maybe it's just the fact that we're all typing here and we have no idea what the real emotion is behind a lot of things that are said.... but.... you do have a tendency to sound.... confrontational....
i know i have a bad habit of sounding patroniseng.... but i don;t mean it in the slightest.
you're very clear about what you believe, and you're not willing to back down just because someone disagrees with you, which.... can come across as agressive sometimes...
so i can see where some people are coming from when they believe this to be an agument of such.....
but.... don't worry, i never like to think a person's trying to be nasty or horrible untill i have a LOT of proof pointing that way....

lol, if i'd taken you seriously from the start.... haha
i remeber our first debate..... on how old Gackt was

How would I know he's an actor? There's no way to prove it. And, once again, actors who improvise get bonus marks in my book as they do need to create something up.

As for the 'artist' who makes others paint out his ideas, he's still an artist as well, because he came up with the idea. Although he shouldn't take full credit of it and, well, if he did, you probably wouldn't know about, now would you?

And, actually, you don't seem very much patronizing whatsoever and, actually, you're pretty good for debating here, but it is still obvious as to what is meant with such comments as "take your head out of your ***" or whatever the hell that comment was.

Ditto, ditto!

Huh? We had a debate about that? :?

I'm just a ***** who enjoys making unpleasant remarks. Nuff said.

That goes triple for me, but I'm still capable of biting my tongue so to speak and I also have slight knowledge as to when a particular comment isn't appropriate to the discussion at hand.

"'Nuff said".

 

[Kinsao]

I am sorry Horizon, because I really didn't mean offence at you or at your opinions. ☝ I just thought of one your comment sounded stupid... but i didn't mean it at all of your comments!!!

anyways, I am not person too proud to apologise if i offended you
*ouch*
*ouch*
*hates apologising but grits teeth because she is now grown up* lol at self

but I am a little confuse... i don't know whether you say is acting 'art' or not, or if you say 'skilful/unskilful'? Because for certain, if someone can do something badly, it need skill to do well, yes? and, can you think of any you consider bad actors, so, they have not the skill. But of course, if you find it easy, you maybe have the natural skill...? but is not so easy for everyone! ☝

oh, and have a drink!

 

[Horizon]

Thank you for apologizing. I too am sorry if I ever had uttered anything not quite nice :sorry:


And, well, yes. I never did say anything about actors not having talent. Or at least the 'good' ones. Or at least I can't remember. I think the good actors are talented, yes, but I can't see the difference between say...Hyde and Sir Ian McKellin. Now, I can tell the difference between say, Halle Berry and Colin Ferral, 'cause last guy sucks completely and utterly. I can tell good from bad and vice versa, but beyond that I don't see anything else.

...

Do you get what I'm saying here?

xD

 

[furan]

lol
i'm now going out to talk to someone who.... will hopefully be able to give me a valid statment that can show that acting is an art form...... hopefully


and yes.... i mentioned about Miyavi;s foavorit colour being pink... but not believe ing him because he aslo said his star sign was pegasus and his blood type was ABC.... and stated his real stast which i con't be botheresd to do again, and then you were like, how can you possibly have any proof of that... and then.... yeah, it wasn't really a debate, we were just throwing words at eachother and pkk intervined before we destroyed the entire thread, lol
i can't remeber how we got on the subject of Gackt tho...... :?

o dear... i remeber the most appauling things

 

[Kinsao]

*runs off to measure Miyavi*
:car:

 

[Japanimaniac]

Well, I kept out of here this whole time because I wasn't going to get into slinging mud, but since we've calmed down, I'll comment again. Anything can be an art (including acting), but everyone isn't going to see it as art, depending on their interests. Martial arts is an art, but lots of people just see it as fighting. Painting a naked woman is supposedly art, but all I see is breasts. XD

But...yeah. I'm more into music than I am acting, so I see music as more of an art than acting. That doesn't mean acting isn't an art, it just means I'm not in that clique deep enough to see the details.

 

[Horizon]

True, true I suppose, Japanimaniac...

lol
i'm now going out to talk to someone who.... will hopefully be able to give me a valid statment that can show that acting is an art form...... hopefully


and yes.... i mentioned about Miyavi;s foavorit colour being pink... but not believe ing him because he aslo said his star sign was pegasus and his blood type was ABC.... and stated his real stast which i con't be botheresd to do again, and then you were like, how can you possibly have any proof of that... and then.... yeah, it wasn't really a debate, we were just throwing words at eachother and pkk intervined before we destroyed the entire thread, lol
i can't remeber how we got on the subject of Gackt tho...... :?

o dear... i remeber the most appauling things

I still don't remember that...o.0 But then again, horrid memory...

EDIT: I remember the Miyavi thing as it just came back to me, but I still don't remember the Gackt thing.

 

[furan]

ahh.... thank you Janapmanic ^.^

well... i've just come back from seeing my two friends who've both just finished their art foundation corses.... we came up with this:
performance arts is an art form, acting is an art form.... but actors are not necessarily artists.....
how's that sound?

also, um... if you pic up any art magazine.... you'll find a performance arts section in it


hee hee
umm..... i can't remeber what thread it was in..... posibly the miyavi thread but....
i thinkit may have been pkk who said, and gackt's 300 so...
and you were like, psh.... if gackst's 400 then im as lod as hell it's self, or something like that....
i was like.... wasn't it 300?
and then pkk woulda said waw... you must be pretty wringky then
you said don't you think a 300 year old would be too?
and i was like, no..... cos he's a vampire....
then you were like, don;t you think someone as old as hell it's self would have some kind of preservation powers like a vampire....

...... i think
god... i wish my memoprie was this great for school... then maybe i'd have passed those exams

 

[Horizon]

Alright! That works perfectly!

Ahhhh...I remember now! And it was "Earth itself", not Hell I do so believe.

And that really wasn't an argument really...It was mostly us being a bunch of dorks to say the least.

 

[furan]

YAAAAAAAAAY! *has a party*

lol, yeah... i didn't think it was hell.... but i just said it to fill in the gap
haha, and you got that right!

 

[IceFusion]

They are both great artists.

Well i just wanted to say that Hyde and Gackt are both great singers, i have not seen them act as of yet, id like to see Moon Child but im not really into violent movies [Jet Li violence is cool with me tho]
And yes their looks are an added bonus to their singing abilities.
Gackts dancing abilities are .... hhmm.... whats the word ... *thinks* uhm lacking i would say, but not entirely necessary, he can just sit there and sing for all i care. They both totally rock!

 

[Ivzee*~]

luv hyde b/c he's sooooo very very cute and l'arc en ciel is good! And he's nice and he's loyal to his wife
even ur name is Hyde-sama ^^

 

[Ivzee*~]

I dun really like gackt tho, although he's got the looks. his music's weird to me.....in japan his voice is very good but me and my friends get scared cuz it's so deep and reminds me of men opera thingies.... XD
sorry gackt music fans! :sorry:

 

[Ivzee*~]

i realized that pl who like hyde usually doesn't really like gackt and ppl who likes gackt usually dun like hyde.......Probablly maybe cuz ppl who liek hyde and ppl who like gackt are completely different ppl ..hehehe that's just interesting to me