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Winter

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I just read a post regarding relationships somewhere around here, and brought up the question of 'soul-mate' to mind.

Many people have an image conjured up of what their ideal mate would potentially be, or 'the one'. How many of you who are married *or in a relationship for a year or more* are with what your preconceived as 'the one' for you?

I thought about this, and its come to my realization, that the girl who I'm married to, is completely the opposite of what I had previously believed 'the one' would be for me. In fact, now that I think about it, I've actually dated that 'one' girl for me, but fancy that, it didnt last.
 
I do believed that every person has a soulmate..But I really dont know what is the sign if we already meet them or not. But I think its really important to knowing the person better before we jump into marriage. For me, I really need to know if he respect me enough, and second he accept me for who I am...I dont want to suffer in the end, I hate the feeling of brokenhearted...so when I marrying someone I promise its forever..
 
Haha...I assume "the One" that I wrote in the relationship thread must've triggered you...

Seriously...a relationship for me before marriage is very important.It's a relationship where we get to know each other.Learn more about each other.And accept each other for what we are...

So I'll take time and hang along with my partner,and currently she is alright with me and we are happy...
As for the future,we'll let it go by nature...just accept the time we treasured...
What is your is yours...sometimes we just have to let go of something when the time is up.It's not ours forever.

Winter,you said that the person you married to is not your ideal mate? Then why marry him him/her in the first place?
Was it because he/her changed after the marriage?

Well,most people change after a marriage...it's just how we look up to it...

As for me now,it's still too early to say anything...I'll just wait and see then...
 
Well, I definitely didn't marry the type person I had pictured myself with. At first, I was like, "well, what the hell?!", but now, it's like, "why did I do that?".

Can we ever be genuinely happy, though? If we were with our 'soulmate', would we be happier?

So many people tell me that I just need to make peace with everything and accept things they way they are, but....

I don't know. Me, rambling.
 
I don't think that soulmates are necessarily good marriage partners. The way I see it is that men and women are different and the person you are married to somehow complete and balance your personnality. It may be important to have things in common, but I think it has more to do with how you spend time together. It's probably more important to have the compatible tastes for food, travel, movies, music, sex, interior decoration, etc. than to think the same way, have a similar personality and the same interests.

My wife is quite the opposite of me when it comes to personality. She is emotional (not logic + unstable mood), very sociable, easily influenced by others, etc.
We also have very different interests. Like many females, she likes shopping, cosmetics, dancing, etc. while I don't. That is not a problem because she can help me shopping and I can help her make rational decisions.

The only think she lacks is that she is not enough of an intellectual, and so I can't discuss serious topics with her like I would on this forum. Anyhow, it doesn't really matter because I have always had a preference for debating with many people, but also prefer writing it on a forum where discussions stay (forever ?) and can be read and re-read, analysed and replied anytime by anyone, than an oral discussion where people interrupt each others, don't take time to fully understand other opinions, and can't take their time to prepare their reply. That is why in my case, it is as well not to discuss politics, linguistics or history with her (that wouldn't be very romantic anyway).

Mimmy_08 said:
I do believed that every person has a soulmate....

Do you mean just one soulmate ? In the whole world ? Of a similar age and speaking a common language ? Certainly not.

If soulmates exist, then their number vary for each person. Simple people with an easy and ordinary personality may have hundreds of thousands of soulmates. More complex individuals may not have any.

Anyhow, even finding a soulmate, people evolve with time and experiences, so that they may not stay soulmates.

What's more, love is mainly a biochemical thing (hormones, pheromones, physical attraction, romance due to the novelty, etc.) and soulmates could be people that do not need love, but would just be best friends for life (even if they engage in a physical relationship at one time or another).
 
I think Maciamo hit the nail on the head with the comment of finding the balance.

In many ways my wife is my complete polarity. She's kind, soft spoken, very talkative and eager to make friends. We form a cohesive balance, and seem to work off of each other together.

As for happiness, I wont say I'm happy in the marriage. But thats not to say I'm unhappy. For me, right now our marriage just feels, well I wont say right as thats a bit too cliche', but it feels...cant figure out a way to end that sentance.

Its better than content, but its not giddy bubbly happiness either. Hard to describe actually. Or maybe I'm overthinking it.
 
I understand how you feel Winter.Young couples I must say?
Both of you have the fate and destined to marry each other.
Since you 2 are married now,why not take the initiative to make this a happy marriage?
Try putting some effort like going out together once in awhile? or maybe an overseas trip when both of you are free?
I don't know how to say this :? .........but try to cherish what you have. 👍

Take Care :)
 
Well you dont know what I'm saying.

Its not like I'm happy to be alive, or so cheerful to grace each day and all that crap. But the same time, I'm not miserable, or regretting the marriage. I AM content in it, and for me, thats more than enough. You seem to forget my apathetic demeanor and my idiosynchratic mental illness. For a guy like me to be genuinely content, thats a blessing that I'm very thankful for.
 
I had no preconceptions of who "the one" might be for me. In fact, it's still a surprise to many, including myself, that I got married at all (for just over four years now, actually).

I think that there are several "soulmates" possible for just about every person. I think it's unrealistic to think that out of all what, 1 billion eligible (age-wise) people there exists of the opposite sex, that only ONE person is compatible with you.

Anyway, unlike most of the responses I've read here, my husband is very similar to me for the most part. We're both logical, thought and reason-driven individuals. I don't think I could have married someone who prioritized his feelings over logic, honestly, though I have some friends (a small minority) who do so. I also value intelligence and a scientific bent, and really the only things he lacks are a musical background (which I have) and being multilingual (which I also am). We are obviously emotionally compatible because we understand each other's reactions intuitively, and we are highly communicative, which I believe is essential to any functioning relationship, romantic or not.

I also don't see that I fulfilled any preconceived notions on my husband's part of what "the one" might be like for him. Heck, neither of us were even sure that someone of the opposite sex WOULD be "the one".
 
Winter said:
Well you dont know what I'm saying.

Its not like I'm happy to be alive, or so cheerful to grace each day and all that crap. But the same time, I'm not miserable, or regretting the marriage. I AM content in it, and for me, thats more than enough. You seem to forget my apathetic demeanor and my idiosynchratic mental illness. For a guy like me to be genuinely content, thats a blessing that I'm very thankful for.
Maybe I misinterpret what you're saying :? 🙇‍♂️
I'm not good at saying this...
but I know you're content and that is good for you...

Take care again :haihai:
 
Meh - I met my soulmate right out of college. Moved up to be with her in Wisconsin. We completed each others thoughts all the time and had incredible fun together. Unfortunately for me, her friends all disliked me and she turned out to be a pretty unfaithful ****.

A few years later I met my wife, who, although we don't complete each other's thoughts, and don't seem to be as close spiritually, seems like a much better match for me. We're both nerds, we love to be with each other and we never run out of things to do and talk about.

So, I guess my point is, even if you meet your soulmate, it doesn't mean that you will have a long lasting relationship with him/her.
 
I think a lot of people confuse the word "soulmate" with some idealized vision of what they want in another person or think they should have in a relationship, but that's not necessarily what soulmate implies. It's actually the person or persons who will challenge you the most to grow in life. Sometimes that can be accompanied by a wonderful relationship, but at other times, it can simply move you on to another place in your life, even to another relationship that is more compatible.

I don't believe there is only one soulmate for each person. There are several, in fact, and they don't necessarily have to be romantically connected.

I have met maybe two soulmates in the romantic area of my life, and did not chose to marry either one of them. However, I believe both men, in their own way, helped move me further on my path in life so that I could be ready for much healthier and rewarding relationships.

One man I was involved with for five years, and then remained friends with for an additional 13 years. The thing that attracted me to him was the fact that we could talk about anything and everything. Any subject at all, and we could talk about it for hours on end. And he had a wonderfully irreverent sense of humor. I felt very comfortable being in the world when I was with him. He was my best friend as well, which I think is extremely important. We shared a lot of the same interests and even similar neuroses at times. ;-)

I think it's generally important to have the same tastes and interests, but not necessarily for every little thing. For instance, even though I am a vegetarian and have been one all my life, I don't think I have ever been in a relationship with a fellow vegetarian. Also, it's nice if you can share the same sport activities, but not necessary. If they want to play golf while I ride horses, that's fine with me. As long as each person supports the other in their interests, I think that's all that matters. I think it would be horrible to be married to someone who didn't allow you to pursue what makes you happy in life (as long as it's not another person!).

The other soulmate I knew was not a very positive situation. Ever since I was a little kid, I would think about the man I would one day marry (just like all little girls do), and I would get both an image and the sense of a man who was older than me and who I thought lived in northern California (my family lived in southern California back then). As time wore on and I would tune into this man, I knew that he was married but did not have any children. Later, I somehow knew he had divorced. I was living in Colorado back then and somehow knew that he was still living in California. I also knew that it would be quite a number of years before we would meet. I don't know how, I just knew all of this. I felt like a homing pigeon, and I was steadily moving towards him as time went on.

I moved back to California and eventually went to work for his law firm, and that's how we finally met. One day at a firm picnic, the two of us were talking and it suddenly dawned on me that this was the man I had had a sense of my entire life. It really blew me away. And there was an immediate and intense attraction between us. We went out to lunch together, and when I was sitting in his car, I felt for the first time like I was "home." It was such a comfortable feeling being with him. And like my former boyfriend, he was a great conversationalist, with an irreverent sense of humor. Also, I learned his family was from Berkeley, he had been married before, but had divorced after 10 years, with no kids.

But he was always nervous around me so it was difficult to talk about anything too serious. Later, I realized it had more to do with the fact that he was a player and simply preferred small talk and games, which I detest and will not play. I also discovered that a lot of the rumors I had heard around the firm about him were true (that he was a womanizer). He not only made a lot of money as an attorney, but he came from old money. His family has buildings named after them. So I think he was used to getting his way because of that, even though he never waived it around and made a big deal out of it. In fact, I didn't even know all of that when I first met him.

Anyway, I think I am probably the only woman who has ever rejected him, who was not impressed by his money, and who did not allow his financial background to influence me, so I became a bit of a challenge to him. And due to our strong connection, he did not let go easily. So, for me, things went from "this man is 'the one'" to "please don't let this be the one!" I didn't think I'd ever get rid of the guy either. He ended up stalking and harassing me for years afterwards. Just what I needed--a Sacramento attorney who pays other people to stalk and harass me. :rolleyes:

Suffice it to say, he was definitely not "the one!!" But he was a soulmate who helped me move through a lot of personal issues in my past, using the backdrop of what I was experiencing with his abuse. Most of the people in the legal community know about how bad he is, but the general public does not. In fact, the last law firm I worked for was full of attorneys and staff who used to work for his firm years ago, so we were all old friends. The main partner's wife worked at the firm as a fellow paralegal, and she used to work as this guy's paralegal many years ago. So we compared notes, and she even knew about his stalking behavior. It appears I wasn't the only woman who he did that to. Anyway, I learned that not long after I ended things with him (actually, we never even got involved physically), a woman he was living with got pregnant on purpose just to get his money. He refused to marry her. She had twin boys, and he still refused to marry her. Finally, his grandmother threatened to cut him off from his inheritance if he did not "do the right thing" and marry the girl (not knowing she was a gold digger con artist), so he had to marry her. They proceeded to have the marriage from hell, and then divorced a few years ago. Some people thought it was a bit of poetic justice, considering how poorly he treated so many women, but I don't think I would ever wish something that awful on someone else, no matter what they have done to me. I'm just not like that. I think all relationships, good or bad, are learning experiences.

In retrospect, I think the reason there was such an intense attraction between us was so that I would not miss the valuable lessons I needed to learn from that situation. If there had not been such a strong attraction, I probably would have passed on the entire thing. Although, I have to say it did make me a bit gun-shy afterwards about the whole "soulmate" issue! The main thing to remember is that soulmate doesn't necessarily mean life partner. But they are probably the most important people you will meet in terms of how the relationship affects your life. Relationships are mirrors. The positive or negative qualities you react to in others are a reflection of the same qualities contained within you. Other people are a mirror for you to see yourself.

I think we all have to stay open to the people and relationships that have the potential to change our lives for the better--and that may not be our life partner. When I was young and agonizing over the lack of a relationship in my life, people used to try to comfort me by telling me, "There's a whole world of men out there." And all I could think was, Oh great, the man for me probably lives in Europe and I'll never meet him! (Typical teenage angst.) But these days with the internet, anything is possible, so I'm completely open to it! :) However, I doubt I'll ever be fooled by the fairy tale "soulmate" thing again in terms of romantic relationships. ;-)

(Sorry if that's too long or too much info., but this is an area I have examined quite a bit in my life, for obvious reasons.)
 
Fantt said:
Meh - I met my soulmate right out of college.

A few years later I met my wife, who

And that's about how it usually works.

Nothing's ever going to turn out exactly how you planned.
 
So many people tell me that I just need to make peace with everything and accept things they way they are, but....

I don't know. Me, rambling.
A lot of people make these same youthful mistakes, some over and over of course, :p so I don't see why everyone would be so hopeless in this case. 😌

What's more, love is mainly a biochemical thing (hormones, pheromones, physical attraction, romance due to the novelty, etc.) and soulmates could be people that do not need love, but would just be best friends for life (even if they engage in a physical relationship at one time or another).
That's more or less the situation with my engineer friend in Japan, given our similarities in personality and interests (too comparable for a primarily romantic relationship) as well as the lack of opportunity for prolonged physical contact. The main deficiency I'm unfortunately effected by is an extreme softness, femininity (somewhat even more than the average man)
plus the normal Japanese man's pride of seeing everyone else's mistakes while being blind to the their own arrogance and patronizing attitudes (towards women as well as foreigners). 😊 This combination of sensitivity and and extremely logical mind + dignity, reserve etc makes him almost completely unable to deal well with minor confrontations or perceived rudenesses in the people around him.

On the positive side.....a lot of the distance and space between us when we're apart that isn't there other times we both deliberately engineer for it to be an at all manageable separation. My ideal would be someone more relaxed, less defensive and more talkative, but I have been pretty fortunate so far. He isn't intellectual in the sense of being argumentative but at least is very knowledgable about a lot of things and has a range of serious interests.... 😌
 
Satori wrote....
In retrospect, I think the reason there was such an intense attraction between us was so that I would not miss the valuable lessons I needed to learn from that situation. If there had not been such a strong attraction, I probably would have passed on the entire thing.

Thanks for sharing your experiences, Satori. Just playing devil's advocate here, but maybe a big part of the reason you were so attracted to him was because you were looking for someone to fit the soulmate role, and he seemed to. If you hadn't been looking for it, you might not have fallen into it so quickly. But that doesn't really change anything. But I don't pretend to know the situation since I wasn't there.

...and...
Relationships are mirrors. The positive or negative qualities you react to in others are a reflection of the same qualities contained within you. Other people are a mirror for you to see yourself.

I completely agree. I've always learned a lot about myself through the relationships I've been in. It also magnifies any issues you might have. Although I think I'm pretty well rounded. :-) Sometimes relationships have even brought good sides of me out that I didn't know were there. Can be a very powerful thing, that crazy thing called love. 😍
 
Brooker said:
Satori wrote....


Thanks for sharing your experiences, Satori. Just playing devil's advocate here, but maybe a big part of the reason you were so attracted to him was because you were looking for someone to fit the soulmate role, and he seemed to. If you hadn't been looking for it, you might not have fallen into it so quickly. But that doesn't really change anything. But I don't pretend to know the situation since I wasn't there.

If I hadn't known of this man my entire life, I would tend to agree with you. But the reason I shared that story is because so many people believe that soulmates are fated and destined, and that they are people we are meant to be together with forever. My story demonstrates that that is not necessarily the case. There are a lot of men who could have fit the bill with respect to my idea of a soulmate, so I don't think that was it at all. It had to do with the fact that I knew of this man my entire life and then finally met him. In fact, the connection was so strong I could have even told you what he was thinking at times.

Brooker said:
...and...


I completely agree. I've always learned a lot about myself through the relationships I've been in. It also magnifies any issues you might have. Although I think I'm pretty well rounded. :-) Sometimes relationships have even brought good sides of me out that I didn't know were there. Can be a very powerful thing, that crazy thing called love. 😍

I agree. It's also a great way to identify hidden fears and bring them out into the light of day where you can eliminate them. That's what that negative experience did for me. I had a lot of unresolved fears about being controlled, and when I found myself facing that very situation, it really helped me to be able to deal with it once and for all. Of course, his abuse escalated the more I pulled away, but that's typical of abusive situations. I'm just glad he wasn't into physical abuse. With physical abuse, the ultimate objective is physical destruction or death. My family and friends were really worried that I would end up like Nicole Simpson. Fortunately, he was strictly into mental/emotional abuse, and for those types, the ultimate objective is mental/emotional destruction. So he was more into trying to drive me crazy or publicly humiliating me. Very twisted and warped individual, that's for sure. My former boyfriend didn't know what to make of it, as he knew him too. He thought I must have somehow tapped into some weird neuroses that this guy has or something, because he knew other women who had been victimized by him as well. But it taught me how to deal with people who are into misusing and abusing power and control in the world, and I wouldn't trade that lesson for anything. Also, it's a long story that I won't go into here, but I was able to use that abusive situation to heal myself of the remnants of a pituitary tumor. Completely amazed the doctors. The pituitary is known as the master control gland, for the most part, and once I worked through issues of power and control, I was "magically" healed. Of course, in my opinion, there wasn't anything magical about it. Just cause and effect, nothing more. All very scientific, if you ask me. :) It's all about self-control and not being controlled or being controlling. Or as Buddhists would say, it's all about non-attachment. :)
 
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im right up there with satori and maciamo on this one. You do need to find the balance.
But from reading everyones posts it doesn't sound like you guys are in happy marriages. And really I think that if you are in unhappy marriages you should be working it through with your partner, not complaining about it to everyone on the forums (not that i don't want to hear, im happy to help thats why i try to help regularly) but really I think its wrong to come saying how upset you are about your marriage, because the first person you should be talking to is you spouse.

Marriage is a beautiful thing. Relationships in general are a hard thing and sometimes you may feel like you have hit a dead end but work at it try telling your spouse how much you love them or suprise them with a rose or a romantic dinner because when you see how much they love you for what you just did you will know things are on track.

Just keep working at it, I once heard a quote that will stay with me the rest of my life about marriage ( I know im only 16) "love is a choice, not somethign that comes and goes. You marry someone so that you stay in love with them, not to fall out of love with them".

George Bernard Shaw also has a fantastic quote about how you should work at things like marriages "This is the true joy in life, the being used for a purpose recognized by yourself as a mighty one; the being thoroughly worn out before you are thrown on the scrap heap; the being a force of Nature instead of a feverish selfish little clod of ailments and grievances complaining that the world will not devote itself to making you happy"

I believe you guys could make things work. and if I have totally gotten the wrong idea sorry (i've been doing that a bit lately)

anyway this is still good reference for the future lol
 
If only serious relationships were that simple, Jieshi. What do you do when your spouse or SO (significant other) won't work things out with you? What do you do when the entire relationship changes on you mid-stream? What do you do when your SO changes into a completely different person on you during the relationship? What do you do when there are children involved? What do you do when your SO has committed adultry? What do you do when you and your SO no longer have the same goals in mind? How do you work things out with someone who refuses to work things out with you?

These are all valid and serious questions that can crop up in any long-term relationship, so believe me, things are never as simple as they seem. If only it were as simple as loving and communicating enough with your SO, but it isn't.

I think communicating with a forum of friends can be very helpful and beneficial, and I would encourage it. Nobody here is naming names either. But hopefully, we are all here for each other when we discuss very important matters like these.

:-)
 
Lol like I said we are here to help. Yes communicating on forums is alright (i would never say it wasn't) but in this sort of situation im saying you need to have talked with your SO first. I mean if you don't even try to talk to them and talk about it on the forums first, I think that is wrong.

I agree that many complicated issues can crop up in long term relationships. I think that you should take the problems on a case by case basis. But I also think that if a relationship is getting to the stage where the other partner is cheating on you, or won't resolve things then you need to call for personal space (not divorce, but maybe a seperation?) divorce is an ugly thing that I would never wish upon anyone but if your partner is going to be so cold hearted and selfish then maybe they need to realise that is the direction they could be steering you relationship.

I would never suggest divorce unless you have given it the best shot possible, but then you also have to ask yourself "do I want to be in a relationship that was beautiful for years, and now has gone completely sour and I am living with my worst enemy"?

I think that the first step would be to talk with your partner and if that doesn't work, see a marriage counsellor. If your partner doesn't agree to this maybe you should start seeing the marriage counsellor by yourself because then you are equipped to deal with the problems that pop up and also be equipped to help your partner. If everything has failed and you have tried very hard only then would I suggest seperation.
 
jieshi said:
Lol like I said we are here to help. Yes communicating on forums is alright (i would never say it wasn't) but in this sort of situation im saying you need to have talked with your SO first. I mean if you don't even try to talk to them and talk about it on the forums first, I think that is wrong.

Why would you assume the people on this thread have not already done so?

jieshi said:
I agree that many complicated issues can crop up in long term relationships. I think that you should take the problems on a case by case basis. But I also think that if a relationship is getting to the stage where the other partner is cheating on you, or won't resolve things then you need to call for personal space (not divorce, but maybe a seperation?) divorce is an ugly thing that I would never wish upon anyone but if your partner is going to be so cold hearted and selfish then maybe they need to realise that is the direction they could be steering you relationship.

And what would you do when there are children involved? You see, things are not always so simple.

jieshi said:
I would never suggest divorce unless you have given it the best shot possible, but then you also have to ask yourself "do I want to be in a relationship that was beautiful for years, and now has gone completely sour and I am living with my worst enemy"?

True. I would agree with that. However, some people decide to stay for the sake of the children, even though most child psychologists will tell you that you are never doing the children a favor by staying in an unhappy and unloving situation.

jieshi said:
I think that the first step would be to talk with your partner and if that doesn't work, see a marriage counsellor. If your partner doesn't agree to this maybe you should start seeing the marriage counsellor by yourself because then you are equipped to deal with the problems that pop up and also be equipped to help your partner. If everything has failed and you have tried very hard only then would I suggest seperation.

And what if your partner refuses to seek counseling with you? I agree about seeing a therapist separately if they won't seek joint counseling. But again, even if you can't work things out, divorcing is never that black-and-white, unfortunately.

I had a friend once whose husband refused to talk about their marriage problems and eventually refused to have sex with her. It had been over one year since her husband had sex with her. No matter what she did--sexy lingerie, striptease video, etc.--she could not entice him. He was more than likely having an affair or two on the side, which was a reality she did not want to face. Anyway, she had two young children, one of whom was the product of a previous divorce, so she found herself in a very difficult situation. Her husband provided for her and the children, but she couldn't have been more lonely. She might as well have been single. And this was a very beautiful woman who could easily have any man she wanted, so that wasn't the issue either.

That's just one example. I know of so many stories of couples living lives of quiet desperation. And others who are "comfortable" but not really happy in their relationships. In fact, it's quite rare these days to find couples who are truly happy in their relationships. That doesn't mean we should all give up hope, but I do think it means we need to be a little more realistic about the idea of what relationships and marriage really mean.

I think the best you can do is learn to be happy with yourself and hope that someday you will find someone who will share the same goals and interests in life as you. And if not, at least you are happy with yourself in life. :)
 
I think that the first step would be to talk with your partner and if that doesn't work, see a marriage counsellor. If your partner doesn't agree to this maybe you should start seeing the marriage counsellor by yourself because then you are equipped to deal with the problems that pop up and also be equipped to help your partner. If everything has failed and you have tried very hard only then would I suggest seperation.
Thanks for the advice, but I honestly can't see that anyone -- much less everyone -- was complaining -- much less close to divorce (well, from their posting at any rate). The issue posed was whether a soulmate necessarily made an ideal partner for life which seems to have kept at a very mature and age appropriate level thus far from people with a rich variety of experiences. :p
 
@ elizabeth

yeah lol sorry i think im in a brooding mood atm so if anyones offended im sorry lol.

@ satori

I agree nothing in divorce is black and white but that is how i would try to go about the situation. I can also see that this issue hits close to home for you (family, friends etc) so if i have offended you i especially give you a very big heartfelt sorry. Anyway maybe i should stop talking about this subject of divorce because i dont really like this subject lol it makes me feel icky!! lol
 
jieshi said:
@ satori

I can also see that this issue hits close to home for you (family, friends etc) so if i have offended you i especially give you a very big heartfelt sorry.

No offense taken. But please don't trivialize the matter by trying to reduce it to an emotional issue when it clearly is not. Since you have no long-term relationship experience to speak of--and certainly not the wisdom of those on this thread--I was simply trying to point out to you that serious relationships can be a lot more complicated than you might think. Sorry if that offends you.

And I agree with Elizabeth. I don't think anyone here has been complaining about their relationship but merely sharing their experiences.
 
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