What I liked/disliked in the Troy movie

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I really liked this Iliad inpired movie. Actually, this thread is more of 'liked'. So what if the story is not the same as the book? I mentioned 'inspired' right? Hollywood was never really 100% faithful to the 'written versions'...

Comments on the movie in general 😄

- There were shots which really showed off the human form but they didn't look lewd or overly done.

- The costumes were really great. I wish I could wear one and show it off.. 😊


Short comments on some of the Cast

- Eric Bana's played well as his character as one who is torn between his people and his own family

- Peter O'Tool portrayed the part of King and a father who lost a child to an enemy so well.

- Brad Pitt. All I can say is 'What a hunk'. :giggle:

- Orlando Bloom, didn't bloom in this movie. I think he lacked the maturity in required to play his character. I liked him better in The Lord of The Rings and Pirates of the Carribean. :(

Memorable Scenes:

- The first fight scene of Achilles.

- The 1000 ships sailing for Troy.

- The fight between Achilles and Hector.

- King Priam kissing the hand of his enemy and then asking for the body of Prince Hector.

That's it. Thanks for reading. 🙏

What do you think?
 
It looked like a huge pilot episode full of Xena extras, and despite I liked the Hector-Aquilles focus and the Eric Bana and Brad Pitt performances, there were too many distractions with secundary actors.

Favourite scenes? there are 3: The taking of the beach a-la Normandy style, the fight between Hector and Aquilles and the scene with Priam and Aquilles.

Overall, it's a good film, though not a great or an excellent one.

Btw, if anyone feels like reading the Iliad, translated into English, try this link: The Internet Classics Archive | The Iliad by Homer



The death of Patroclus:
With this the god went back into the hurly-burly, and Hector bade Cebriones drive again into the fight. Apollo passed in among them, and struck panic into the Argives, while he gave triumph to Hector and the Trojans. Hector let the other Danaans alone and killed no man, but drove straight at Patroclus. Patroclus then sprang from his chariot to the ground, with a spear in his left hand, and in his right a jagged stone as large as his hand could hold. He stood still and threw it, nor did it go far without hitting some one; the cast was not in vain, for the stone struck Cebriones, Hector's charioteer, a bastard son of Priam, as he held the reins in his hands. The stone hit him on the forehead and drove his brows into his head for the bone was smashed, and his eyes fell to the ground at his feet. He dropped dead from his chariot as though he were diving, and there was no more life left in him. Over him did you then vaunt, O knight Patroclus, saying, "Bless my heart, how active he is, and how well he dives. If we had been at sea this fellow would have dived from the ship's side and brought up as many oysters as the whole crew could stomach, even in rough water, for he has dived beautifully off his chariot on to the ground. It seems, then, that there are divers also among the Trojans."

As he spoke he flung himself on Cebriones with the spring, as it were, of a lion that while attacking a stockyard is himself struck in the chest, and his courage is his own bane- even so furiously, O Patroclus, did you then spring upon Cebriones. Hector sprang also from his chariot to the ground. The pair then fought over the body of Cebriones. As two lions fight fiercely on some high mountain over the body of a stag that they have killed, even so did these two mighty warriors, Patroclus son of Menoetius and brave Hector, hack and hew at one another over the corpse of Cebriones. Hector would not let him go when he had once got him by the head, while Patroclus kept fast hold of his feet, and a fierce fight raged between the other Danaans and Trojans. As the east and south wind buffet one another when they beat upon some dense forest on the mountains- there is beech and ash and spreading cornel; the to of the trees roar as they beat on one another, and one can hear the boughs cracking and breaking- even so did the Trojans and Achaeans spring upon one another and lay about each other, and neither side would give way. Many a pointed spear fell to ground and many a winged arrow sped from its bow-string about the body of Cebriones; many a great stone, moreover, beat on many a shield as they fought around his body, but there he lay in the whirling clouds of dust, all huge and hugely, heedless of his driving now.

So long as the sun was still high in mid-heaven the weapons of either side were alike deadly, and the people fell; but when he went down towards the time when men loose their oxen, the Achaeans proved to be beyond all forecast stronger, so that they drew Cebriones out of range of the darts and tumult of the Trojans, and stripped the armour from his shoulders. Then Patroclus sprang like Mars with fierce intent and a terrific shout upon the Trojans, and thrice did he kill nine men; but as he was coming on like a god for a time, then, O Patroclus, was the hour of your end approaching, for Phoebus fought you in fell earnest. Patroclus did not see him as he moved about in the crush, for he was enshrouded in thick darkness, and the god struck him from behind on his back and his broad shoulders with the flat of his hand, so that his eyes turned dizzy. Phoebus Apollo beat the helmet from off his head, and it rolled rattling off under the horses' feet, where its horse-hair plumes were all begrimed with dust and blood. Never indeed had that helmet fared so before, for it had served to protect the head and comely forehead of the godlike hero Achilles. Now, however, Zeus delivered it over to be worn by Hector. Nevertheless the end of Hector also was near. The bronze-shod spear, so great and so strong, was broken in the hand of Patroclus, while his shield that covered him from head to foot fell to the ground as did also the band that held it, and Apollo undid the fastenings of his corslet.

On this his mind became clouded; his limbs failed him, and he stood as one dazed; whereon Euphorbus son of Panthous a Dardanian, the best spearman of his time, as also the finest horseman and fleetest runner, came behind him and struck him in the back with a spear, midway between the shoulders. This man as soon as ever he had come up with his chariot had dismounted twenty men, so proficient was he in all the arts of war- he it was, O knight Patroclus, that first drove a weapon into you, but he did not quite overpower you. Euphorbus then ran back into the crowd, after drawing his ashen spear out of the wound; he would not stand firm and wait for Patroclus, unarmed though he now was, to attack him; but Patroclus unnerved, alike by the blow the god had given him and by the spear-wound, drew back under cover of his men in fear for his life. Hector on this, seeing him to be wounded and giving ground, forced his way through the ranks, and when close up with him struck him in the lower part of the belly with a spear, driving the bronze point right through it, so that he fell heavily to the ground to the great of the Achaeans. As when a lion has fought some fierce wild-boar and worsted him- the two fight furiously upon the mountains over some little fountain at which they would both drink, and the lion has beaten the boar till he can hardly breathe- even so did Hector son of Priam take the life of the brave son of Menoetius who had killed so many, striking him from close at hand, and vaunting over him the while. "Patroclus," said he, "you deemed that you should sack our city, rob our Trojan women of their freedom, and carry them off in your ships to your own country. Fool; Hector and his fleet horses were ever straining their utmost to defend them. I am foremost of all the Trojan warriors to stave the day of bondage from off them; as for you, vultures shall devour you here. Poor wretch, Achilles with all his bravery availed you nothing; and yet I ween when you left him he charged you straitly saying, 'Come not back to the ships, knight Patroclus, till you have rent the bloodstained shirt of murderous Hector about his body. Thus I ween did he charge you, and your fool's heart answered him 'yea' within you."

Then, as the life ebbed out of you, you answered, O knight Patroclus: "Hector, vaunt as you will, for Jove the son of Saturn and Apollo have vouchsafed you victory; it is they who have vanquished me so easily, and they who have stripped the armour from my shoulders; had twenty such men as you attacked me, all of them would have fallen before my spear. Fate and the son of Leto have overpowered me, and among mortal men Euphorbus; you are yourself third only in the killing of me. I say further, and lay my saying to your heart, you too shall live but for a little season; death and the day of your doom are close upon you, and they will lay you low by the hand of Achilles son of Aeacus."

When he had thus spoken his eyes were closed in death, his soul left his body and flitted down to the house of Hades, mourning its sad fate and bidding farewell to the youth and vigor of its manhood. Dead though he was, Hector still spoke to him saying, "Patroclus, why should you thus foretell my doom? Who knows but Achilles, son of lovely Thetis, may be smitten by my spear and die before me?"

As he spoke he drew the bronze spear from the wound, planting his foot upon the body, which he thrust off and let lie on its back. He then went spear in hand after Automedon, squire of the fleet descendant of Aeacus, for he longed to lay him low, but the immortal steeds which the gods had given as a rich gift to Peleus bore him swiftly from the field.
 
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There is a for me huge difference in the movie version from the book version. Even though I haven't read Iliad, I am familiar with Greek mythology and I would have loved Troy more if the gods and goddesses were mentioned or perhaps given their own scene to perhaps further explain why things happened the way they did-Thetis' scene doesn't even count since her name wasn't even mentioned. Take the case of my friend who left the movie house wondering why Achilles died of the arrow lodged to his heel...

I can only wish that the makers of this movie took into account the people who are not familiar with Iliad and mythology...

That said, I still believe it was a great movie despite its shortcomings.

Thank you for the link. I was really looking forward to reading the Iliad. :-)
 
I thought "Troy" was pretty decent, not great, but good. Despite how great the world thinks Brad Pitt is, that was only the second movie I've ever seen him in, the other being the remake of "Ocean's Eleven", still, he did a good job as Achilles.

The fighting scenes were great, especially the heavyweight bout between Achilles and Hector, but Orlando Bloom got on my nerves as the skirt chasing pretty boy who started the whole shooting match by making off with Helen. And the beach scene with all those ships made the Normandy landings look like chump change!

Still, I'm surprised the movie only grossed 46 million in its opening week. Hell, "Van Helsing did better than that in its debut (54 mil) and it was panned out the wazoo. Not good considering Warner Bros spent nearly 200 million to make "Troy".
 
flashjeff said:
I thought "Troy" was pretty decent, not great, but good. Despite how great the world thinks Brad Pitt is, that was only the second movie I've ever seen him in, the other being the remake of "Ocean's Eleven", still, he did a good job as Achilles.

Try watching 7 (Brad is good but I think the one who portrayed the best role would be the villain Kevin Spacey... man he chilled me with his acting) and 7 years in Tibet... :-)
 
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