made of Stone said:
As is so often the case, Pachipro's post was hugely readable and interesting. And, although this is one of his vapour trails of thinking that differ greatly from my own, he's certainly a gentleman I'd love to share a long chat with over a cool beer (preferably outside, at night under the stars, around a blazing fire, and perhaps a peace pipe should be passed around too!)
Ty you for the kind words MOS. There are a few others with differing, interestiing opinions here on JRef, like MM for one, that I would love to sit around a fire with one night over a few beers and toss around our opinions. I think it would make for a fantastic discussion. And a "peace pipe" would be most welcome. All opinions are acceptable as no one as yet proved one way or another. I tend to lean though towards findings and writings that are ignored, rather than studied, by learned scholors and institutions today and ask why.
Throughout history, many of the 'holy' or 'enlightened' or 'mystic' figures of different communities or societies - those who offer some way to the divine side of things; spiritual guidance, as well as healing - have been those who offered or controlled access to mind-expanding substances. We can still see this today in many spots around the world - the gurus in India, the medicine men of South America and elsewhere, in Rastafarianism, the elders in the native American tribes (what is left of them)...
Although consciousness-expanding plants aren't a part of western religion anymore, I personally have no doubt at all that some of these natural, organic (but extremely powerful) compounds very well could have played a role in the early days of some, if not all, of the major religions (and also might explain some of the recorded ancient interactions with aliens!)
I have no arquments with you here mos and it may well have been used much as they are still used today, legally, in the US by certain Indian tribes. Substances like peyote and "magic mushrooms" for example.
To go any further on this would be getting off the topic and into a discussion of legalizing drugs. I've always wondered as to why the "powers that be" (both now and in the past) strictly forbid the use of mind expanding and altering substances. There's something they don't want us to see or experience. But they have no qualms about offering us, in a heartbeat, an anti-depressent or other drug that does quite the opposite in that they numb the mind.
Goldiegirl said:
Pachipro, I get what you are saying. If you really look at the bible, everything comes out of the sky. When you read some of the accounts it sounds like aliens visiting our planet. I once thought that sounded crazy, but now I am not so sure.
Many "learned" people and skeptics have derided and put down the writings of Zecharia Sitchin when he wrote his Earth Chronicles series of books beginning with "
The 12th Planet" in which he lays out what is written in the hundreds and hundreds of ancient Sumerian stone tablets and why the bible mentions the Nefilim and those that "came down from the skies" and those that mated with the daughters of men.
He translates exactly how the solar system was created and why we have the planets we have and how the earth was created. If what he translated was honest, and I believe it is, how did the ancient Sumerians know 6,000 years ago that there are nine planets as is depicted in their drawings and that neptune was the shade of blue/green it is?
He translates how and why the pyramids were made and why Mars lost its atmosphere when the planet next to it exploded creating the asteroid belt.
Someone of some vast superior intelligence must have been able to create the pyramids as modern man is unable to do so today even with the aid if the best computers! They didn't just appear out of nowhere.
Even our best machinery today would not be able to lift even one block in the pyramid so I wish the modern scholors and intstitutions today would stop feeding the line of BS that they were built by slaves by an ignorant Egyption civilization for to admit that would be admitting that they were vastly superior to us in all aspects and had access to technology that we can't even comprehend. The Japanese tried some years ago recreating it and were unsuccessful in moving even one block of similar size any significant distance.
He translates the name of the first human/alien hybred as being called "The Adamu". All the rest of his translations have been carefully linked with the old testament, including Cain and Abel, Abraham and the burning bush and the sacrificing of his son, Noahs Ark and why there would be a flood, etc, etc. as these people and experiences actually happened, but not through some divine power we are told is God. Coincidence? Hardly. Someone does not want us to know our true past.
His book,
Divine Encounters, clearly lays out the tablets vs the Old Testament wonderfully. After one reads this book, they cannot but help walk away bewildered and wondering if we are being taught the truth about our history and origins. The skeptics and
It's when I read things like this that the establishment completely pooh-poohs and ignores that I become suspicious of what I am being told to believe as these are the greatest writings ever uncovered and tell us our true origins. Skeptics and Institutions (and those that control them) completely ignore the ancient Egyption and Hebrew writings found in the southwest United States at the beginning of the 20th century along with the bones and remaining red hair of giant humans who were over 9 ft tall. And not just in the US, but in the UK and many other countries around the world. They are just locked away never to be seen again and ignored and not discussed.
Don't get me wrong here, the bible is filled with great teachings and shows, in some respects, the proper way to live and should be followed to a certain degree, but imo is not a true account of the creation of man by a divine power called God. As much as they want us to believe it, after reading all of Mr. Sitchin's books, I cannot go down that road.
