Studying Japanese by yourself?

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Is it possible to study Japanese by yourself without language schools or a Japanese teacher? Of course it is possible but I would want to get at least intermediate level of this language. I was thinking that mastering a good level of Japanese requires going to language school. But I'm still not sure... First of all I should probably get to know Hiragana and Katakana. I have found some textbooks that teach them. If I will know these then I would want to buy some books - prefferably with CD-s for good pronunciation. And this is a very hard choice which to buy. First I thought that "Japanese for Busy People" would be a good one but people say that it is for business. I would like to study everyday Japanese for talking with people etc. Maybe someone would recommend something?

Thanks!
 
Hello, I take language classes for Japanese, but I learn much more studying on my own then confirming with other fluent speakers to make sure it is correct. It IS possible if you put forth the effort!
 
Definately possible, that is what I am doing currently....but. Let me tell ya something on my own experiences. I have come to a point where I just need to be around native speakers, because you need to listen to it as well, and writing and jsut saying words singally by yourself is boring now....

I guess I'm ready for the next step to actually start speaking it, and learning the short forms\slang\ and masulin way of speaking and learning.....

OH....Japanese for Busy People is not for business......I have all three books byself and they have done wonders for me when I talk to my wife in Japanese. There is nothing wrong with them, and I wold highly suggest them too.

Other books I would like to recommend is:
Tuttle's Kanji Cards Vol's 1, 2, 3 and 4
ISBN: 0-8048-3397-4
ISBN: 0-8048-3398-2
ISBN: 0-8048-3685-X
ISBN: 0-8048-3686-8

OLG's Catchy Japanese Phrases I and II
ISBN: 4-7890-1135-6
ISBN: 4-7890-1191-7

Tuttle's Making Out In Japanese
ISBN: 0-8048-3396-6

Tuttle's More Making Out in Japanese
ISBN: 0-8048-3345-1


Have fun and good luck!
 
Yes I is! I encourage you too coz it is you and you and you who has to learn. I will restart my self-learning of Japanese some day coz I don't have time now...college....assignments...self learning some maths, C++, HTML, uhh....no time...but I know I will restart..

good luck 4 u.
 
Is it possible to study Japanese by yourself without language schools or a Japanese teacher? Of course it is possible but I would want to get at least intermediate level of this language. I was thinking that mastering a good level of Japanese requires going to language school. But I'm still not sure... First of all I should probably get to know Hiragana and Katakana. I have found some textbooks that teach them. If I will know these then I would want to buy some books - prefferably with CD-s for good pronunciation. And this is a very hard choice which to buy. First I thought that "Japanese for Busy People" would be a good one but people say that it is for business. I would like to study everyday Japanese for talking with people etc. Maybe someone would recommend something?
Thanks!
I don't know, but this depends. If you are a Nikkeijin or a Issei Japanese who wants to enhance his language skills, I believe it is. My fiance Shaun (Kenichi) went from knowing only 20 Kanji to 1200 Kanji characters in 6 months. As for myself, I only know 300 Kanji and have been studying for 2 years, with his help. I found that most Japanese students can pick up their own mother tongue anywhere from 5 to 10 times faster than I am able to aquire the language as a British lady. Koreans learn very quickly also because their gramatical structure is said to be similar. The Taiwanese students know most of the Kanji, and when they don't, all they do learn how to combine the different radicals, and pick up hundreds in no time. I on the other hand write the characters out of proportion having endured at seeing each stroke as being separate and not as radicals for the longest time. I gave up trying to get native like strokes and now resort to computers. My fiance told me that as long as I can recognize, it is good enough. Some Japanese students told me that they too only recognize many of the characters since the age of the word processors as handwriting has become less and less common like we have trouble with spelling for the same reason. I find from my personal experience at UBC that those who have Japanese background can get away with it as they often get good grades not attending many classes, while I did poorly needing assistance every step of the way. So generally, my experience at UBC has led me to believe that the answer to your question is are you a native speaker of Japanese who is brushing up, or are you starting from ground zero, like I did. In the fomer, I would say yes you can, while for the latter, I would say no due to the various nuances and kimari monkus that can only be achieved by studying or conversing with a native speaker.
 
I don't have the time for a big response, I'm on a break from work, I don't think I would recommend those books above, specifically "Making out in Japanese"... Those books are kind of gimicky, and out-dated...

I could (and have several times), gone through a list a books that would be helpful. I'm a fan of the tuttle kanji cards, but they don't really give you anything more than flashcards as a means of memorizing kanji---

The books you chose should give you firm ideas about Japanese grammar and sentence structure (and how nebulous it can be)... they shouldn't just be phrase books that you can memorize so that you can speak to your gf who already has a semi-firm grasp on ed: English.

Avoid books that cover slang, this is almost always useless to you... You'll learn colloquial Japanese from Japanese friends you meet, no need to learn it in books... Stick to the fundamentals, and stick to books which place strong emphasis on hiragana rather than roumaji....

I'll try to provide some more helpful examples later...
 
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Thank you! If anyone has more advice or tips then it would be very good.
 
Japanese from Zero, books 1, 2 and 3 are really good I find. They're on Amazon.com if you want to search them.
 
-The best way to start is by memorizing the Kanas (Katakana and Hiragana tables) with focus on the Hiragana since Katakana letters are mainly used to write foreign words...
-I recommend you download "Before You Know It" (for Japanese) from www.byki.com .It's useful for beginners: it contains flash cards (numbers, days, colors, food, expressions...).
-Check the following websites :
-www.japaneselearning.com (complete lessons)
-www.thejapanesepage.com (grammar, vocabulary, expressions..)
-www.kanjisite.com (katakana,hiragana,kanji)

Japanese isn't as hard as it looks if you're really interested. As for the pronunciation I find that listening to J-music is very helpful.U just have to work step by step and not rush things.
TIP : avoid using romaji and stick w/ hiragana ..
 
Many people study on their own. You just needs some discipline and of a Japanese friend who can help you if you really don;'t understand something. Good luck.
 
I'm taking weekly lessons but it's slow paced -- we're still stuck at learning hiiragana! >( So I've taken to trying to learn a few basic grammar myself for now. My problem is practising speaking the language as I dunno anyone who can speak Japanese.. =(
 
I'm also trying to learn japanese on my own. I'm currently following www .learn-japanese. info romaji's version of the grammar lessons available there. It provides an idea on how japanese sentences are organized.

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kamaru: avoid romaji? Why? :confused:
 
hideway さん, I'm just saying that ローマ字 isn't really useful if u actually know the kana ... it's just better to practice writing and reading the words in 日本語, u know ローマ字 is just a way to start and u won't need it later .. 👍
 
I bought several books about Japanese and these are the ones that I'm finding either useful or encouraging, or both:

Total Japanese: Reading and Writing - Kimiko
Teach yourself Business Japanese - Jenkins and Strugnell
A Guide to Remembering Japanese Characters - Henshall
Mangajin's Basic Japanese through Comics
...and a furigana dictionary.
 
It's possible to learn anything by yourself

I agree with alma. It is possible to learn anything by yourself if you can keep yourself disciplined. I have about two months of Japanese under my belt. I study Japanese and chinese everyday. Make sure to set short term goals too. I figure if i can make it through all the video skits and all the pimsleur lessons I have, that alone is an accomplishment (for chinese it's to finish rosetta stone).
My dad has taught himself scores of different skills through experience, books, and various self teaching methods.
Also remember it's a lot cheaper to teach yourself, school is wayyyyyy too expensive :p .


P.S. pimsleur is good for any language you want to learn, I highly reccommend it!
 
- pimsleur

- rosetta stone

- 'remembering the kanji' by james heisig.

They're the ones i'm using right now to self teach. And i'm making a lot of progress.
 
Yeah don't develop a dependency on romaji. It will be easier to pick things up if you master the kana.

I have taken a 3 month class and spent most of the past 2 years teaching myself. It is a difficult task and your progress will be slower compared to those in a structured learning enviroment. Unless you live in Japan then your at the top of the learning food chain. Anyway self-teaching is possible just more difficult.
I would kill for a personal tutor (thats hot has long hair long....well) Yeah personal tutor would be cool. :p
 
I would recommend learning the basics in a class. I'm not saying that it's impossible to learn it on your own but if it comes down to which is easier, being in a group of people in a similar situation, and with someone who has the answers to your question far outweighs learning it on your own from books and CDs.

I attended a Japanese international school for a year, and went through 2 and a half years of Japanese Saturday school in London, and this pretty much had me covered for the basics (hiragana, katakana, scentence structure, and kanji basics). However at the time I was very lackluster and to be honest I paid no attention in class, so if I had tried the outcome would have been better.


Past this point I have learnt Japanese by myself, first by translating a lot and later through making a lot of Japanese friends over the internet (online games, lol).

Translating was great for learning words I didn't know, looking them up every time and seeing how they were used in a scentence is useful, otherwise translations would be terrible, since you would need to fully comprehend the scentence to be able to find suitable words in a different language.

Talking to a lot of Japanese people is great for practical use, although I have yet to find a good way to practice speaking (until February, that is!), forming your own scentences and reading/understanding what others say will really beat the language into your head, as has been said before, immersion is really the best way to learn any language. Also since this has been online, my kanji reading has come a very long way. Due to typing the language on a computer though, my writing is still very much lacking. This too, hopefully, I will overcome after the move!
 
The biggest problem with learning on your own is you have no context for the things you learn.

Studying will only get you so far - after that, you have to actually USE the language, or you'll never truly understand it.

It's very much akin to a sportscaster who has studied a sport his whole life, and a premier athlete who is at the top of his sport - they both know a lot about the game, but thier knowledge is very different.

A certain amount of self-study is neccessary and good, but if you want to really understand Japanese in a practical sense, you have almost no choice but to speak it with native speakers.
 
I think taking lessons is good, because you actually get to use the language through communicating with your fellow classmates, and you can always ask questions when you don't understand. I think taking lessons is defintely more effective. Of course, studying by yourself is alright if you choose to do so.
 
Fufufu, I think it will be possible to learn Japanese on your own up to intermediate level. However, it will still need application to dear real life conversation since language always evolve.
I myself is starting to memorize some vocabularies. Get confused sometimes on the usage, but it's an ongoing process ne?
I watched Japanese movies too. With English subtitles, just for rough understanding on how to use the words and phrases. I watched Taiyo no Uta, Crying out love in the middle of the world (or is it earth...), and my favorite one, FF VII Advent Children, hahaha. Dunno if the last one is an approppriate one to learn the language. But hey, Japanese language is quite consistent I believe.

Dunno if this answer actually help or not, just joined this forum. >__<

Ja!
 
It is possible. Learn the Kana, some grammar. Then, the big thing is to listen to Japanese, which is easy. Just find some on-line radio station. You can practice writing Japanese here. がんばれ
 
Buy all the books that you can. But understand that even if you learn everything in those books, it will be difficult to understand real colloquial langauge.
For this, the internet is great! You can download dramas, and listen to Japanese talk radio and even find chat friends online.
You need to listen to REAL Japanese people speaking.

It is hard, but you can do it.
 
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