South park makers fluent in Japanese. Or not?

[Glenn]

私もそう思っていますよ。

ところでキャットさん、私はキャットさんが男だとは決して思わなかったんですよ。キャサリンとポストを署名したのを見たんですからね。
それに、可愛い嬢ちゃんのはずですよ！ :inlove:

[編集] ただ今思い出した：キャット、「何で『なんとかを好き』が使われている？」という質問に返事したんですよ。見ましたか。

 

[KrazyKat]

Glennさん、
これは 違いますか？
「heなんかと呼ばれて ちょうといやな感じです」
I have a feeling that I can't use desu like this after a te form. Would tara be work or do you think that it would be better to change the whole sentence?

 

[Glenn]

I'm not sure I'm understanding your question. Are you asking whether having です is alright since you have 呼ばれて in there? If so, then it's perfectly fine. Remember both tense and politeness level aren't expressed until the end of the sentence (usually).

I do have one question, though. What's ちょうと? Did you mean ちょっと?

BTW, check the edit above, if you haven't already.

 

[Davey]

wow you should have a lot of patience with this guy... ahumm off topic...29post in one thread on same day.... ☝ not even talking about other posts and threads....

 

[MeAndroo]

wow you should have a lot of patience with this guy... ahumm off topic...29post in one thread on same day.... : not even talking about other posts and threads....

俺もそう思う。本当に信じられない。ドインキーズ先生やクレイジカット先生はやさしすぎ！あの少年はめちゃくちゃ世話になってるんだろう。

edit: doinkies name fixed

 

[doinkies]

ああ、すみません！KrazyKatさんは女の人だと知らなかった。＾＾；；

そして「ドインキズ」ではなくて、「ドインキーズ」と書いている。

 

[KrazyKat]

I'm not sure I'm understanding your question. Are you asking whether having です is alright since you have 呼ばれて in there? If so, then it's perfectly fine. Remember both tense and politeness level aren't expressed until the end of the sentence (usually).
I do have one question, though. What's ちょうと? Did you mean ちょっと?
BTW, check the edit above, if you haven't already.

Sorry, I did mean chotto.

I wan't actually talking about tense there. I was bit confused so i've just looked it up in my "basic connections" book (I really recommend this book too):

"Nor can you use the -te form to link two statements when one of the statements is stative and the other indicates action, motion, etc. except when the first sentence explains the direct cause for the second"

The iya na kanji part, I think is stative、 right? There's no action there.
I think maybe my sentence comes under that exception though, that the first part explains the direct cause for the second?

それに、可愛い嬢ちゃんのはずですよ！

ありがとう Glennさんは優しい人ですね。

 

[KrazyKat]

ああ、すみません！KrazyKatさんは女の人だと知らなかった。＾＾；；

いいえ、 かまいませんよ。 気にしないで

 

[Glenn]

Well, I wasn't aware of such a restriction on the te form, but it looks like you're in the clear.

ヒヒヒ。優しいかな、私？じゃ、ありがとう、キャットさん。

 

[KrazyKat]

Well, I wasn't aware of such a restriction on the te form, but it looks like you're in the clear.

Ｇｌｅｎｎさんがこの事を知らなくて また不安になってしまいました。
よく考えたが この方がもっと自然かもしれません。

「HEなんてと呼ばれて ちょっとイヤな感じがします。」

皆はどう思いますか？

 

[GoldCoinLover]

wow you should have a lot of patience with this guy... ahumm off topic...29post in one thread on same day.... ☝ not even talking about other posts and threads....

Yeah, pretty rude isn't it?

Thanks guys.

I guess its their way of "getting even." for me annoying them.

 

[MeAndroo]

Ｇｌｅｎｎさんがこの事を知らなくて また不安になってしまいました。
よく考えたが この方がもっと自然かもしれません。
「HEなんてと呼ばれて ちょっとイヤな感じがします。」
皆はどう思いますか？

俺ならこれの方がいいと思うけど。

「呼ばれたら」を使ったらどうかな？

 

[GoldCoinLover]

俺ならこれの方がいいと思うけど。
「呼ばれたら」を使ったらどうかな？

Androosan, 日本語が上手ですね。
私の日本語下手ですよ。
Your japanese is good, isn't it?
My japanese is terrible.
Now how would I add the conditional statement kara, "If.."
If my japanese is good, then yours isn't.
I just don' t know where to add it.
That's my problem. It's such a different language, I get confused to where to put things.It's NOT that I don't know it.

 

[WHEATTHlNS]

It's NOT that I don't know it.

Gold - if you "knew" it - meaning you clearly read the chapter in your book that goes over "[insert grammatical arrangement here]", you really shouldnt be having difficulty with where things go.

 

[GoldCoinLover]

Gold - if you "knew" it - meaning you clearly read the chapter in your book that goes over "[insert grammatical arrangement here]", you really shouldnt be having difficulty with where things go.

Um, I did read it. Here's how 'wo' is used:
You could call o a "limited use" particle. Its only job is to show us what the direct object is:

Jisho o kashite kureru? (Would you please loan me your dictionary?)
Atarashii kamera o katta. (I bought a new camera.)
Pizza o tabemashou ka. (Shall we get a pizza?)
However, ga is usually preferred when using the -tai ending:

Ramen ga tabetai. (I want to eat ramen.)
Also, use ga, not o, before the verbs iru (to be present; to exist), iru (to need), aru, wakaru, dekiru, and the weird quasi-verb/adjectives suki, kirai and hoshii:

Bob no heya ni tokage ga iru. (There's a lizard in Bob's room.)
Boku wa atarashii kasa ga iranai. (I don't need a new umbrella.)
Shizu wa jitensha ga arimasu ka. (Does Shizu have a bicycle?)
Kenji no itte iru koto ga wakaranai. (I don't understand what Kenji's saying.)
Emiko wa ryouri ga dekiru? (Can Emiko cook?)
Chuuka ryouri ga suki desu ka. (Do you like Chinese food?)
Tom wa hikouki ga kirai. (Tom hates airplanes.)
Ano nuigurumi ga hoshii! (I want that stuffed animal!)
It is sometimes easy to confuse the particle o with the o- prefix which is used as an honorific indicator for some selected nouns, so be careful. Some of these are:

o-tenki: the weather
o-cha: tea
o-mizu: water
o-niku: meat
o-naka: stomach
o-kuruma: car
These can be very interesting. Some use the o- prefix only in some instances and not in others. For example, when talking about your own car or cars in general, you would never use the o- prefix. You will probably only hear it when salespeople or servicepeople are talking about the car you are going to buy or have bought from them. Some, like o-tenki and o-cha, are almost always used with the honorific prefix.

I might as well mention here that there is a verb conjugation that uses this honorific prefix. It's o- + Base 2, and has several endings. Here are examples of two:

Douzo, o-cha o o-nomi kudasai. (Please, have some tea.)
O-niku wa o-tabe ni narimashita ka. (Did you have some meat?)
These are very polite constructions. Can you sense the honor and respect oozing from them?

Although this particle is usually written o in romaji these days, in older documents it may be seen written wo. It's the same particle with the same role, but with an alternate spelling in romaji. You may also hear some Japanese pronounce it more like wo than o.


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And it still gives me trouble.

You have to realize, japanese is completely different from english. You can't expect someone who's been studying japanese for 3 weeks to be able to use particles correct everytime. What's wrong with you?

 

[Glenn]

More like if you knew it, it wouldn't be giving you so much trouble. Knowing a grammatical pattern implies that you understand it and know how to use it, not just that you can quote what a textbook says about it or that you've seen it before.

 

[GoldCoinLover]

More like if you knew it, it wouldn't be giving you so much trouble. Knowing a grammatical pattern implies that you understand it and know how to use it, not just that you can quote what a textbook says about it or that you've seen it before.

I see.

Shizu wa jitensha ga arimasu ka. (Does Shizu have a bicycle?)

Shizu wa (Topic) jitensha (bicycle) ga (subject marker) arimasu (To have, for inamiate objects) ka?

There is no motto (to have) here, is it implied?

Literally it seems to mean: As for Shizu, does a bike exist?

 

[doinkies]

You can use ある／あります to mean "have" too. 持っている／持っています implies that the thing that the subject has is owned by the subject, or is being held by the subject (depends on context). So 「静（しず）は自転車（じてんしゃ）がありますか？」 is basically "Does Shizu have a bicycle?" while 「静は自転車を持っていますか？」 is more like "Does Shizu own/possess a bicycle?".

 

[Glenn]

I'm pretty sure for the ある version you should have に, at least for Standard Japanese: 静には自転車がありますか.

Having said that, though, the version without に is probably just as understandable.

 

[GoldCoinLover]

Is Trey (Creator of south park) REALLY fluent in japanese?

At first I Thought so, but now I'm really beginning to doubt it. Seriously, he got katakana and hiragan mixed up! Yet he goes to japan often, and studies japanese for many years in college! Riiiight.

Here's the song, and the parts he got mixed up:
Written
Subashii chinchin mono
Kintama no ke aru
Sono oto wa sarubobo
Iie! Ninja ga imasu
Hey hey let's go kenka suru
Taisetsu na mono protect my balls!
Boku ga warui so let's fighting...
Let's fighting love!
Let's fighting love!
Sung
Subarashii chinchin mono
Kintama no kame aru
Sore no oto sarubobo
Iie! Ninja ga imasu
Hey hey let's go kenka suru
Taisetsu na mono protect my balls!
Boku ga warui so let's fighting...
Let's fighting love!
Let's fighting love!

Kono uta chotto baka
Wake ga wakaranai
Eigo ga mechakucha
Daijobu! We do it all the time!

Hey hey let's go kenka suru
Taisetsu na mono protect my [insert bad word here]
English Translation
I have a wonderful (You know..)
And The Secrets of "Good Times With Weapons"
That's the sound of a sarubobo. º
No! It's the ninjas!
Hey hey let's go fight!
The important thing is to protect my [insert bad word here]
I'm bad, so let's fighting...
Let's fighting love!
Let's fighting love!

This song is a little stupid
It's hard to make sense of
Its English is messed up
That's OK! We do it all the time!

Hey hey let's go fight!
The important thing is to protect my [insert bad word here]
ª - or [insert bad word here] Trey says "kame" instead of the right word, "kami." Kintama means [insert bad word here] In slang, it means [insert bad word here] Compare to English: [insert bad word here] - A sarubobo is a charm made in the Hida district, Japan. It is faceless and its limbs taper to points. Sometimes super-deformed anime characters look like sarubobo, but keep their faces. Atashi, in Chobits, looks somewhat like a sarubobo. And then there are Satan's minions They dangle from strings like wind chimes do. See the pic. In slang, sarubobo means [insert bad word here]


Oh, and the kicker:
Trey confuses the hiragana and katakana forms of Japanese lettering in the following song, which is presented in romaji here. Thanks to breayle for the text, and to my dictionaries and Alessandra, Chaos, and other fans for corrections and amendments.


Wow...

Here's the link:
The Secrets of "Good Times With Weapons"

 

[Nicky]

Even "fluent" speakers make mistakes.

 

[DoctorP]

So...couldn't this have gone into the other thread that you created GCL...it is about the same subject!

 

[GoldCoinLover]

So...couldn't this have gone into the other thread that you created GCL...it is about the same subject!

Oh, sorry. I made another one?

 

[RockLee]

Oh, sorry. I made another one?

Ok Kevin, this is what people mean with getting pissed off by you making threads about the same thing Yes, as CC1 pointed out, you already talked about this in another thread ;-)


In these 2 threads BOTH about Southpark
PUN (South park: Do not read if easily offended) japanese culture pun | Japan Forum
and
South park makers fluent in japanese. Or not? | Japan Forum

 

[bossel]

Merged the threads "Is Trey (Creator of south park) REALLY fluent in japanese?" & "South park makers fluent in japanese."