That's naive. Do you really believe that American soldiers, in the heat battle, never raped and killed any enemy non-combatants, never killed enemy soldiers attempting to surrender? These atrocities seem modest compared with the indiscriminate bombings on major cities, but nevertheless, they were inevitable part of the battle, and they did happen, historians say. During the war, the sadistic acts of enemy soldiers were propagandized, but after the war, it's just that tight censorship controlled how much the media could report, and people do not talk about the incidents as much.
Reference: Saburo Ienaga: Senso Sekinin
That's naive. Do you really believe that American soldiers, in the heat battle, never raped and killed any enemy non-combatants
Technically soldiers cannot "order" civilians to do anything. In English anyway,
As I wrote here somewhere previously civilians would have been shot if they had proffered the grenades on their own, they were supplied not only to be used in the case of their own suicide, but also to take as many of the "enemy" with them as they committed suicide.But you need to remember that soldiers gave grenades to civilians for the purpose of committing suicide - which on its own is a huge breach of protocol, unless they were ordered to hand it over, in which case the Army has in essence ordered and sanctioned the action. Its like giving a gun with one bullet to a desperate and depressed individual - you know what is going to happen, you are equally responsible.
I doubt it, but at the time the Japanese soldiers and civilian population of Japan believed that they were not only fighting for their country but their Emperor as well, and to die in his service was honorable and just, vs having to live with the shame of defeat of capture. However Okinawan's not being totally ingrained with the same beliefs or doctrine, but believing the Japanese soldiers and the governments propaganda at the time, followed along at their orders.Did the Japanese soldiers truly believe the Americans were hell-bent on pillaging the Okinawan populace?
TOKYO (Reuters) - Sumie Oshiro was 25 when she and her friends tried to kill themselves to avoid capture by U.S. soldiers at the start of the bloody Battle of Okinawa.
"We were told that if women were taken prisoner we would be raped and that we should not allow ourselves to be captured," Oshiro said on last month's anniversary of the March 26, 1945, invasion of the Japanese islet of Zamami.
"Four of us tried to commit suicide with one hand grenade, but it did not go off," Ryukyu Shimpo, a local Okinawa newspaper, quoted Oshiro as saying at a gathering of now elderly survivors.
The fighting on Zamami, south of the main Okinawan island, was the prelude to three months of carnage that took some 200,000 lives, about half of them Okinawan men, women and children.
Many civilians, often entire families, committed suicide rather than surrender to Americans, by some accounts on the orders of fanatical Japanese soldiers.
"The army ordered them to commit suicide," said Yoshikazu Miyazato, 58, who plans to publish testimony from survivors on Zamami, where he says suicides accounted for 180 of the 404 civilians -- about half of the islet's population -- who died.
The accuracy of such accounts, however, has been questioned by conservative historians who argue the suicides were voluntary.
Late last month, the education ministry ordered publishers of high school textbooks to modify references to Japanese soldiers ordering civilians to kill themselves.
The textbook revisions echo other efforts by conservatives to revise descriptions of Japan's wartime actions, including Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's denial that the military or government hauled women away to serve as sex slaves for Japanese soldiers in Asia before and during World War Two.
Abe has sought to dampen overseas outrage over his remarks by repeating his backing for a 1993 apology to the "comfort women," as they are known in Japan, and offering his own brief apology.
"In every case, Abe's administration is saying there was no military involvement," Shoukichi Kina, an opposition lawmaker from Okinawa told Reuters in a phone interview.
"They are distorting history and it is unforgiveable."
"WORSE THAN DEVILS"
One reason cited for the revisions was a lawsuit by a former Japanese army officer and relatives of another charging the two men were was falsely described in works by publisher Iwanami Shoten as having ordered civilian suicides in Okinawa.
That prompted the publisher and Nobel Prize-winning author Kenzaburo Oe to send a letter of protest to the education ministry, criticizing the fact that only the views of the plaintiffs in the court case had been taken into account.
The Battle of Okinawa, which also took the lives of about 94,000 Japanese soldiers and more than 12,000 Americans, looms large in the collective memory of inhabitants of the island -- a separate kingdom until its monarch was exiled to Tokyo in 1879.
The battle, in which up to one-third of Okinawa's inhabitants died, has been described as a futile sacrifice ordered by Japan's military leaders to delay a U.S. invasion of the mainland.
Masahide Ota, a former governor of Okinawa who fought as a member of a "Blood and Iron Corps" of students mobilized to defend the island, says soldiers gave civilians two hand grenades -- "one to throw at the enemy and one to use on themselves."
Many historians and survivors blame military propaganda that sought to convince civilians they faced rape and torture if captured by Americans, as well as an education system that taught the virtue of dying for an emperor who was considered a living god.
"They were taught that Americans were fiends, worse than devils, and that if women were caught they would be raped and men would be killed," Miyazato said. "It was the same as ordering them to commit suicide. They were taught it was better to die.
Ota, a historian as well as a member of parliament, fears the lessons of Japan's wartime past are in danger of being lost.
"Education has the responsibility to convey history accurately to our children so that our country does not repeat the tragedy of the Pacific war," he said in a statement.
"Textbooks are one method of fulfilling that mission. I think that is being forgotten."
so , Were they given any fair compensation.The army ordered them to commit suicide," said Yoshikazu Miyazato, 58, who plans to publish testimony from survivors on Zamami, where he says suicides accounted for 180 of the 404 civilians -- about half of the islet's population -- who died.
ﾂ催?ﾅ?ﾃ披?督｡窶伉ｺﾅｽﾅ｡ﾂ催?ﾅ?ﾃ披?督｡窶堙娯?ｹ{窶板｢窶敕ｼﾅ鍛ﾅｽq窶堙債『ﾂ催?ﾅ?ﾃ披?督｡窶堙個集窶冂ﾅｽﾂｩﾅ塚?』窶堙娯?堙遺?堋ｩ窶堙?集窶冂ﾅｽﾂｩﾅ塚??堙個心窶板昶?堙ｰﾅｽﾅｸ窶堙娯?堙ｦ窶堋､窶堙可述窶堙冷?堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。
ﾂ「ﾋ?｢ﾂ債ｲ窶慊ｹ窶堙娯?｢ﾃｻ窶堙可出窶堙??堙昶?堙ｩ窶堙?、ﾅ?ﾃ坂?鼎ﾅｽﾃ暁停?壺?堋ｪﾅ槌停?堋ｵ窶堋｢窶堙娯?堙?、ﾅｽ窶樞?傳窶堙坂?｢ﾅ｡窶堋ｹ窶堙遺?堋ｪ窶堙ｧ窶｢ﾃ?窶堋ｫ窶伉ｱ窶堋ｯﾂ、窶堙｢窶堙≫?堙??吮?ｰﾂ債ｰ窶敕ｨ窶楼窶堙俄?堋ｽ窶堙??堙ｨ窶堙や?堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。窶堋ｵ窶堋ｩ窶堋ｵﾂ、窶堋ｻ窶堋ｱ窶堙俄?堙最ｽ窶樞?堙娯?ｰﾃ??伉ｰ窶堙娯?伉ｼ窶堙可、ﾂ校窶卍ｷﾂ静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙??堋ｻ窶堙娯?ｰﾅ凪?堋ｳ窶堙ｱﾂ、窶堋ｻ窶堙ｪ窶堙俄?｢ﾃ岩?堙戸?ｪ窶ｰﾃ??伉ｰ窶堋｢窶堙ｩ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｯ窶堙??伉ｼ窶堙俄?堋ｾ窶堙ｪ窶堙?ﾅ陳ｩ窶懌?凪?堋ｽ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ。ﾅｽ竄ｬ窶堙俄?堙俄?堋ｫ窶堋ｽ窶堙や?堙?窶堙ｨ窶堙娯?堙?窶堙娯?堋ｪﾂ、ﾂ人窶堋ｪﾂ渉ｭ窶堙遺?堋｢窶堙娯?堙?、窶堙懌?堙?静披?堙遺?ｰﾃ寂?堋ｪ窶ｹﾃ溪?堋ｭ窶堙ｰ窶敕ｲ窶堙ｱ窶堙?行窶堋ｭ窶堙娯?堙??堙??｢sﾋ??窶堙ｰﾅ?o窶堋ｦﾂ、ﾅｽ竄ｬ窶堙岩?堙娯?堋ｪ窶堋ｱ窶堙ｭ窶堋ｭ窶堙遺?堙≫?堙??堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。
窶堙吮?堙ｱ窶堙??堙俄?｢sﾅｽv窶ｹc窶堙遺?堙?窶堙娯?堙??堋ｷﾂ。ﾂ『ﾅｽ竄ｬﾂ』窶堋ｻ窶堙娯?堙?窶堙娯?堙坂?ｰﾂｽ窶堙?窶堋ｱ窶堙ｭ窶堋ｭ窶堙遺?堋｢窶堙娯?堙??堋ｷﾂ。窶堋ｯ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堙?ﾂ、ﾅｽﾂｩ窶｢ﾂｪ窶堋ｽ窶堋ｿ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｯ窶册窶堙俄?堋?窶堋ｽ窶堙≫?堙?『ﾅｽ竄ｬ窶堙環』窶堙??堋｢窶堋､ﾅｽ窶凪?堙?、窶堙昶?堙ｱ窶堙依?ｪﾂ渉鞘?堙嫁ｽﾂｩ窶堙ｧﾅｽﾃｨ窶堙ｰ窶ｰﾂｺ窶堋ｵ窶堙?『ﾅｽ竄ｬ窶堙環』窶堙??堋｢窶堋､ﾅｽ窶凪?堙??堙債、ﾅ陳ｾ窶杯窶堙個湘｣窶堙??堙坂?慊ｯ窶堋ｶﾂ『ﾅｽ竄ｬﾂ』窶堙ｰﾋ?凪?督｡窶堋ｵ窶堙??堙?ﾂ、窶ｹCﾅｽﾂ昶?堋ｿ窶堙個湘｣窶堙??堙坂?牢窶堋ｭ窶｢ﾃ岩?堙娯?堙?窶堙娯?堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。窶堋ｻ窶堙娯?ｹCﾅｽﾂ昶?堋ｿ窶堙坂?堋､窶堙懌?堋ｭﾅ陳ｾ窶堋ｦ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ。
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ﾅｽ窶杣B]窶堙債校窶卍ｷﾂ静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙架?ｪﾂ渉鞘?堙俄?ｹﾃ環催凪?堋ｳ窶堋ｹ窶堙??堋ｭ窶堙ｪ窶堙ｩ窶堙ｦ窶堋､窶堋ｨﾅ?ﾃｨ窶堋｢窶堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩ窶堙?校窶卍ｷﾂ静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙坂?ｰﾃｵ窶堋ｭﾋ?ｸ窶堋ｫ窶堋､窶堋ｯ窶堙??堋ｭ窶堙ｪﾂ、ﾂ身ﾅｽx窶忸窶堙ｰﾂ青ｮ窶堋ｦ窶堙ｩ窶堙ｦ窶堋､窶堋｢窶堋｢窶堙や?堋ｯ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。ﾂ「窶弖ﾂ皇窶｢ﾃ??ｰﾂｺﾆ弛ﾆ停?愴旦ﾆ辰ﾂ」窶堙ｰ窶堙昶?堙ｱ窶堙遺?堙?渉･窶堋ｦﾂ、ﾂ「ﾅｽ竄ｬ窶堙岩?ｹCﾅｽﾂ昶?堋ｿ窶堙ｰﾂ静俄?堋ｵ窶堙懌?堙遺?堋｢窶堙??堙ｨ窶堙≫?堙鞘?堙嫁ｽ竄ｬ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋｢窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堙･窶堋､ﾂ。ﾂ」窶堙?陳ｾ窶堙≫?堙??堋ｩ窶堙ｧﾂ、ﾋ?ｪﾂ人窶堙娯?扼窶掣窶堙個鞘?披?堙個静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堋ｪﾂ、窶堋ｾ窶堙ｪ窶堋ｩ窶堙俄?懌?凪?堋ｽ窶堙ｩ窶堋ｾ窶堙ｫ窶堋､窶堙??堙溪?堋ｭ窶堙ｧ窶堙溪?堙≫?堙帚?堋､窶堙嫁ｽﾃｨ窶堙ｨ窶堙｣窶堋､窶册窶堙ｰ窶愬?窶堋ｰ窶堙や?堋ｯ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。窶堋ｻ窶堙娯?吮??窶堙娯?愿ｱﾆ坦窶堋ｪﾋ?ｪﾂ人窶堙固ｽﾃ｡窶堋｢ﾂ鞘?披?堙個静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙?鞘?披?堙固ｽq窶堙俄?堋?窶堋ｽ窶堙ｨﾂ、ﾂ静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙坂?伉ｦﾅｽ竄ｬ窶堙?、ﾂ鞘?披?堙固ｽq窶堙債重ﾂ渉昶?堙ｰ窶｢窶ｰ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽ[/B]ﾂ。
Hiya there! That's what the following basically is:Any translation on this article?
me said:Since not everyone can follow the Japanese in the evidence presented thus far...
There are something like 17 textbooks that are on display at Naha, comparing the same page before and after the revising. The example that is given is a change in wording from "(the people) were forced by the Japanese military" to commit suicide to "(the people) were cornered into" committing suicide.
There is indeed mention of hand grenades in the evidence presented, and no one is denying where they came from, but in the revised textbook it just isn't mentioned where they might have come from.
The video does show a demonstration against the proposed change to the textbook, with a man quoted as saying, "The military said, 'Don't become captives of the American army! If it looks like you will, kill yourself instead!' That was the Japanese military and the country's order. We must strongly oppose anyone who would try to twist history!" This man is described at "someone who experienced events" in the onscreen text.
Aside from the demonstrators in the news video, the articles themselves do not take a side. They matter of factly describe what is happening, from the exhibit of the textbooks to the mayor of Naha describing the change as "regrettable" to the demonstrations themselves.
Read the preceding posts.this thread is not about American soldiers and what they did or did not do, and I am 100% sure you know that. Tiring to say the least.
"They were taught that Americans were fiends, worse than devils, and that if women were caught they would be raped and men would be killed," Miyazato said. "It was the same as ordering them to commit suicide. They were taught it was better to die."
so , Were they given any fair compensation.
if not ,why?
The why is obvious.
Yeah, even witness and survivors did not think it was ordered and forced.
it was natural....
Thank you.Any translation on this article?
Hiya there! That's what the following basically is:
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Caster the people giving their testimonies and leading the demonstrations against these changes are honest, believe what you want to believe, but this issue is far from over and is going to get bigger and bigger before too long.
Wait and watch.
Thank you.
I am not surprised if they would collect millions of it, for there are tons of voters supporting JCP, SDPJ, or whatever.ﾂ抗窶ｹcﾂ渉絶?督ｼ窶啣窶毒凪?啗窶啀窶啖窶啖ﾂ人窶堙可／ﾂ「ﾂ集窶冂ﾅｽﾂｩﾅ塚?」ﾂ修ﾂ青ｳ
ﾂ 窶｢ﾂｶ窶｢窶昶?ｰﾃ闇?wﾂ湘遺?堙個坂?堋校窶氾ｰﾅｽj窶ｹﾂｳ窶ｰﾃ按鞘?佛椎ｸ窶凖ｨ窶堙問?堙個抗窶ｹc窶堙娯?氾問?堋ｪ窶ｰﾂｫ窶愿ｪ窶堋ｩ窶堙ｧ窶牢ﾂ坂?倪?堙鳴広窶堋ｪ窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙ｩﾂ。ﾂ「窶ｰﾂｫ窶愿ｪﾂ静ｭ窶堙娯?氾ｰﾅｽjﾋ彡窶ｹﾃ遺?堙ｰ窶ｹ窶凪?堋ｳ窶堙遺?堋｢ﾂ！ﾅ陳ｧ窶督ｯ窶佚･窶ｰﾃｯﾂ」ﾅｽﾃ?ﾂ行ﾋ?祥?ｵ窶ｰﾃｯ窶堋ｪﾅ陳ｧ窶愿?ﾅ?O窶堙固?ﾃ滅淡窶冂窶佚娯?堙可渉絶?督ｼ窶堙ｰﾅ津??堙打?|窶堋ｯ窶堋ｽ窶堙??堋ｱ窶堙ｫﾂ、ﾅｽﾂｵ窶愿ｺﾅ陳ｻﾂ催昶?堙??愿ｱ窶毒凪?敖ｪﾂ静ｧ窶｢Sﾅｽﾂｵﾂ十ﾅｽﾂｵﾂ人窶｢ﾂｪ窶堋ｪﾂ集窶堙懌?堙≫?堋ｽﾂ。ﾅｽﾃ?ﾂ行ﾋ?鞘?堙最津懌?毒督人窶堙ｰ窶禿壺?｢W窶堙俄?冰窶堋｢窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｩ窶堋ｪﾂ、ﾂ「窶堋ｱ窶堙ｪ窶堙ｰ窶卍ｴ窶堋ｦ窶堙ｩ窶堙??ﾃｺ窶佚停?堋ｵ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｩﾂ」窶堙?彙窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｩﾂ。
ﾂ 窶堋ｻ窶堙娯?堋､窶堋ｿ窶禿ｱﾋ?ｪ窶毒凪?敖ｪﾂ静ｧﾂ人窶｢ﾂｪ窶堙坂?牢ﾂ坂?倪?堙娯?｢ﾂｪﾂ。窶愿ｺ窶ｹﾂｳ窶枠窶堋ｪ窶佚ｦﾋ?ｪﾅｽﾅｸ窶｢ﾂｪ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堙?集窶禿ｱ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｽ窶堙?窶堙娯?堋ｪ窶佚･窶敖ｼ窶堙??eﾅ陳ｧ窶堙娯?ｹﾂｳﾋ?ｵ窶堋ｪﾂ渉絶?督ｼ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。ﾅｽﾃ?ﾂ行ﾋ?鞘?堙債「ﾅｽﾃ?ﾂ催帚?堙俄?ｹﾂｳ窶ｰﾃ按鞘?倪?堙ｰﾅｽﾃｨ窶堙嫁ｽﾃｦ窶堙ｩﾂ静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙個渉絶?督ｼ窶堋ｪ窶伉ｽ窶堋｢窶堙娯?堙坂?堋?窶堙ｨ窶堋ｪ窶堋ｽ窶堋｢ﾂ。ﾂ債｡ﾂ、窶ｰﾂｽ窶堋ｪ窶ｹN窶堋ｫ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｩ窶堙娯?堋ｩ窶堙ｰﾅ?wﾂ校ﾅ陳ｻﾂ湘ｪ窶堙??堙?窶冦窶堙≫?堙??堙?窶堙ｧ窶堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堋｢ﾂ」窶堙?津ｪ窶堙ｩﾂ。
http://www.okinawatimes.co.jp/day/200706081300_03.html
Collected 28177 signatures against the revise
18000 out of 28177 signatures comes from outside Okinawa. Japan Teacher Union mainly collected them.
Right. Many died in the war, but the real tragedy in this matter is that people had to survive even after they killed their families after the war, therefore they needed the reason, that is, to claim it had been the military order.Caster there is nothing natural in war
Collected 28177 signatures against the revise
18000 out of 28177 signatures comes from outside Okinawa. Japan Teacher Union mainly collected them.
Many died in the war, but the real tragedy in this matter is that people had to survive even after they killed their families after the war, therefore they needed the reason, that is, to claim it had been the military order.
Ask your wife to read the Sono's book. It tells her or you that the war was terrible even it was not the military order or even after the war.
Like which newspapers in Japan said that raping and killing civilians were courageous acts?I have little doubt that it might have happened, but rape, killing civilians and POW's were all offences that were court martial-able, while similar tales made the newspapers in Japan declaring the same soldiers as courageous heros.
Like where? Where does it say in the paper that "raping and killing CIVILIANS were courageous"?This article is a good start - Contest to kill 100 people using a sword - Wikipedia
wikipedia said:Bob Tadashi Wakabayashi, who, in 2000, undertook one of the most comprehensive studies of the incident ever conducted, reached the conclusion that "the killing contest itself was a fabricated story", but served as a positive influence in Japanese culture, making the Japanese more aware of some of the wartime atrocities that had actually been conducted by the Imperial Japanese Army.
Whats you're point - are you saying if they aren't Okinawan, their opinions don't count? Ultimately it is teachers who have to use these books, and apparently at least 18,000 don't agree with it.
So you are claiming it is the fault of the survivors families that they died!? Whoa, would love to see you say that to the face of someone who lost family in the war.
Ewok85, force your wife to read the book.
Your wife and you can find the deep-rooted reason.
Imperial Japanese Army soldiers and officers told them