Ashikaga
もちもちした食感
- 19 Feb 2008
- 2,220
- 84
You could have cut to the chase and posted this in the first place and do away with the story about "your friend".
...download and print the file that has the law written in Japanese and English on Debitos website and show it to them when they stop you.
Go get em Reyte... Grrrr
Again , a baseless babel based on your ignorance to how the law works here.
You could have cut to the chase and posted this in the first place and do away with the story about "your friend".
Look you don't know the law, so stop pretending that you do. In addition to the law presented in this thread there is another law called "Foreign Registry Law" and any officer of the government that works for law enforcement or Ministry of Justice with immigration , coast guard ect is entitled to ask for ID regardless if you were sitting in a park reading a book. So quit with crap that you are doing everyone a favour by saying that you don't have to present your ID. Read what it says below.Is there any specific reason why you dont want foreigners to know the law and to stop being harrassed by police for having white skin or is it just on principle?
Look you don't know the law, so stop pretending that you do. In addition to the law presented in this thread there is another law called "Foreign Registry Law" and any officer of the government that works for law enforcement or Ministry of Justice with immigration , coast guard ect is entitled to ask for ID regardless if you were sitting in a park reading a book. So quit with crap that you are doing everyone a favour by saying that you don't have to present your ID. Read what it says below.
"ﾅ?Oﾂ坂?伉人窶徙ﾋ弯窶邸ﾂ 窶佚ｦﾂ十ﾅｽOﾂ湘ｰﾂ 窶佚ｦ窶愿ｱﾂ坂ぎﾂ ﾅ?Oﾂ坂?伉人窶堙債、窶愿ｼﾂ坂?伉審ﾂ債ｸﾅ?ﾂｯﾂ、窶愿ｼﾂ坂?佛遅窶敕ｵﾅ?ﾂｯﾂ（窶愿ｼﾅ?ﾃ??邸窶堙俄?凖ｨ 窶堙溪?堙ｩ窶愿ｼﾂ坂?佛遅窶敕ｵﾅ?ﾂｯ窶堙ｰ窶堋｢窶堋､ﾂ）ﾂ、ﾅ遅ﾅｽ@ﾅ?ﾂｯﾂ、ﾅ?Cﾂ湘｣窶｢ﾃ嵳??ﾅ?ﾂｯ窶堋ｻ窶堙娯?伉ｼ窶邸窶督ｱﾂ湘遺?氾溪?堙??凖ｨ窶堙溪?堙ｩﾂ坂?倪?凪?昶?堙坂?冢窶｢ﾃｻﾅ津ｶ窶ｹﾂ､窶冂窶佚娯?堙個職ﾋ?ｵ窶堋ｪ窶堋ｻ窶堙個職窶督ｱ窶堙固ｽﾂｷﾂ行窶堙俄?懌?凪?堋ｽ窶堙ｨ窶徙ﾋ弯ﾂ湘倪?督ｾﾂ鞘?倪?堙固断ﾅｽﾂｦ窶堙ｰ窶ｹﾂ≫?堙溪?堋ｽﾂ湘ｪﾂ坂?｡窶堙俄?堙債、窶堋ｱ窶堙ｪ窶堙ｰ窶凖ｱﾅｽﾂｦ窶堋ｵ窶堙遺?堋ｯ窶堙ｪ窶堙寂?堙遺?堙ｧ窶堙遺?堋｢ﾂ。"
A very rough translation.
"The Foreign Registry Law, Section 13, Clause 2. Foreigners, when asked to show ID by immigration investigation officials , police, coast guard, or any other national or local public official or group empowered by the Ministry of Justice as part of the execution of their duties, must show their ID when required to by an offical."
Like I said before, "A little information is dangerous".
But , you go ahead and refuse to show your card, b/c it just makes it harder for the rest of us.
People who have choosen to live and make a living here, people who have created roots here and people who do not want to be judged by society b/c of what a few people do.Makes it harder for the rest of "us"? To whom are you referring as "us"?
Anyway, I think that says it all. You got the info, probably from Debitos website, the very same information I was pointing people who wished to know to but you stopped after only the first paragraph. Why dont you copy and paste the "Police Execution of Duties Law Section 2" and/or The Foreign Registry Law, Section 13, Clause 3"???
Dont you want people to know about those laws?
Even though you annoy me greatly I will continue to let as many foreigners as possible know these laws and will continue to post them here and elsewhere no matter how much you spam.
Yes, and your point is?Oh, so now you chose to live here and make a living here? Where else were you going to do this?
Bad luck buddy, a lot of what other foriegn people have in the past gives us a bad name. Congratulations for experencing it. (why do you keep saying white, there are other skin colored foriegners here too)Though I hate to be judged by waht other foreigners do. Especially when fascist police stop them to ask for I.D. only because they have white skin and the docile foreigners just hand it over without thinking or asking why and generally, without protecting their rights.
You said "They broke the law twice in first asking to see my ID even when they fully knew I wasnt under any suspicion and I was only there to help out with translating and then in refusing to show their own even when directly requested to do so."Now you are purposely putting words into my mouth? Hoping for this thread to degenerate into worthless babble? I guess it has already done that but never mind. Copying and pasting isnt much trouble.
You are repeating yourself and are still whining. The police did nothing wrong as they have every right to ask for ID , as I have stated earlier.In conclusion, I hope foreigners when they are stopped by the police for no reason other than having white skin, dont just hand over their I.D. like docile lackeys.
If the policemen or womem are smarter or just less willing to be so flagrant in breaking the law than average, they will come up with some reason as to why they need to see your I.D. For example "a foreigner was just reported <i>(doing something)</i> nearby." In that case they have the right to see your I.D. but before showing them, you have the right to first see their I.D. I would suggest not just letting them flick open their wallets and flash it, but to actually look carefully and record details as that is what they will do just to show "how powerful" they are (typical fascists!). If the foreigner first inspects their I.D. for everyone around to see, the power-trip of the police will go down in flames.
On the other hand, if he or she is as stupid and without any compunction in breaking the law as an average policeman or women and says you have to show I.D. merely because you are a foreigner, you have the right to refuse which is what I hope you will do as the more people who dont just hand over their I.D. like docile lackeys the more police will refrain from harrassing us. Unless you speak Japanese very well, download and print the file that has the law written in Japanese and English on Debitos website and show it to them when they stop you.
Its in everyones interest that the police refrain from doing this. At first they only pick on minorities as they are the easiest target but as soon as those minorities capitulate, they inevitably get more ambitious.
Did you write a letter of complaint?
When you have no time to google where you need to write to, I am glad to help you out. Just post the prefecture where you are living now.
Unfortunately this thread was reduced to babel after you posted in it...You are really fanatical, arent you? Do you really expect anyone to believe you are a foreigner?
In Germany there are people like you too (mostly in the western areas. In the east they are playing with their lives!) but they come right out and say other ethnic groups and especially other races are inferior and dont have any rights in Germany and all those other nice fascist tendencies and ideas.
The police also give people with different color skin a hard time (again, mostly in western areas) but they are not so flagrant about it as they are in Japan. They would never stop someone to ask for an I.D. check and questioning and come right out and say "because you are a foreigner". I guess much to their dismay, police are also forced to obey the law.
I cant comment on people with skin other than white because I am only speaking from my own experience and from what other white-skinned people have told me. Have no idea what it is like for other races. I presume its the same for black and Asian people who arent or dont look east-Asian but that is only speculation.
Now, you are more than exceptionally annoying, you are outright painful and I know you are trying to reduce the thread to worthless babble so other interested white-skinned people cant read what their rights are. If you post anymore here I am not going to reply at all only to paste that same message explaining what foreigners rights are when stopped and asked to show I.D. by the police.
Reyter, are you German?
From what I did in your country was just to show my passport when a police car suddenly stopped and 3 or 4 officers surrounded me. I just walked down the street then.
Fortunately, I only get my bike registration checked on once or twice a year basis here. My bike is a bit too old and shabby with the light broken, so I cannot say anything against their suspicion.
Nobody steals it even I always leave it unlocked...
===
When I rode a bicycle painted in pink when I was around 14, I often challenged the cops asking "WHY ONLY ME? WHY NOT THAT WOMAN THERE??"
Reyter, I guess I am at a loss as to what why you are even arguing anymore. It has been established that you must show your ID when asked to by a police officer
So you could file a complaint against that officer who refused to show you his. So that should be the end of this discussion right?
And I totally agree with nicegaijin that throwing temper tantrums, dancing on pedestals and demanding your rights at the top of your lungs will do very little to help your case
What , b/c that site says so, I suggest you vist a Lawyer here. I have talked to my companies lawyer about this you don't have a leg to stand on.For two reasons. Because some "less intellectually enlightened people" keep repying with some nonsense and others say things like above. Now I am no longer a junior member, here are the laws: http://www.debito.org/GcardLAWS.pdf It absolutely HAS NOT been established tht you must show I.D. when police ask for it. You are not required to unless you are a suspect in a crime.
What is astonishing here is that you are too thick to see why your argument holds no water.What is astonishing is that you tell me I should end the discussion? I am the only person here pointing out the law while some "others" are just carrying on with babbling nonsense. What is going on here? Has everyone come down with fascist sympathies? I point out the law several times and then you come along and say: "It has been established that you must show your ID when asked to by a police officer."
Fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist,fascist....Just for the record, I hate fascists!
Well I didnt do that. I just thought the law must have changed and was angry about that but not the police especially even though one annoying little fascist stared at me in a very aggressive manner. When I found out the law hadnt changed and those police were just fascist pigs, thats when I got angry.