japan and china gene advantage

DaMo · 3 May 2004

noyhauser said:
God what a troll thread. Da Mo and Jim83 do you have anything better to do than to bash japan? If you want to speak about the greatness of China go find yourself a china forum.

Sorry, but you're pointing the finger at the wrong guy. I haven't bashed Japan anywhere. I was just pointing out the facts as a correction to Golgo_13's misconception about Japan. And where did I bring up "the greatness of China"? All I did was defend China against misconceptions about Tibet. If I want to unilaterally start topics about "the greatness of China" then sure, I will go to a China forum. But I have the right to talk about China in the context of the ongoing discussions where relevant. Your lumping me and Jim83 together is unwarranted.

jim83 · 3 May 2004

people always want to listen something not good for him.
several hundreds years ago , so many countries incluce japan try to say : our ancestor are from china. haha .
that is how world run ..

no matter what happened , i still think usa is a great country .

the difference is during wwii , american are more civilized than japan , but many american try to help chinese escaping from cruel japan people and millitary .
but more underdeveloped japan try to kill more .

playaa · 3 May 2004

Engrish, hurts my head..

Golgo_13 · 4 May 2004

DaMo said:
I was just pointing out the facts as a correction to Golgo_13's misconception about Japan. .

I think I know about Japan as much as anyone else here, if not more. Certainly more than you.

DaMo · 4 May 2004

Golgo_13 said:
I think I know about Japan as much as anyone else here, if not more. Certainly more than you.

Possibly. I never said you were ignorant about Japan. That doesn't mean I cannot point out a fact you may not know or have not considered.

mad pierrot · 4 May 2004

Back this thread up!

Perhaps we should look into this deeper....

Dream Time · 4 May 2004

I am Chinese
but I want to say,
this is thread is crap,no race is 'superior' to others,
if you think you are superior to other races,you are no different than the Japanese who thought they were superior and killed millions of Asian people 60 years ago.

let me say it again,I am Chinese

but,I tell you,Chinese Communist government is ****,
poor human rights
no political freedoms
they only put money into big cities like Beijing,Shanghai,but many people in other areas are homeless,starving,getting sick,
do you know about the AIDS villages in China? the government DON'T CARE ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE,instead of using the money to help those people,they keep increasing their military budget

give the Tibetans their freedom!

they told the Hong Kong people that HK will not change in 50 years,but now they are taking the political freedom away from the HK people

do you know that the Chinese government don't let their people listen to Rock music since the 1989 June 4th incident?
when there are some rock [or some other western music] concerts going on in China,they have government officials watching,and have armed policemans [with guns],they don't let the crowd get too excited,
when the crowd get excited,the government officials look at the crowd with mean faces,and the policemans will look around,telling the crowd to be quiet

some rockers actually get arrested by the police because they sing some anti-government songs,a famous band recently performed in a 'Taiwan freedom' show,and a band member can not return to China because the government is considering to arrest him,now he is in Malaysia seeking protection from Malaysian government and stay there

to some Chinese people who thinks the Communist government is good:
open your eyes,look clearly,open your mind,think clearly

kirei_na_me · 4 May 2004

mad pierrot said:
Perhaps we should look into this deeper....

Love it, mad p!

Also, Dream Time, great post.

noyhauser · 4 May 2004

Dreamtime... *snif*... you make me proud to be from BC *snif*

Dream Time · 4 May 2004

kirei na me,noyhauser,thanks

although I am Chinese,I hate the Chinese Communist government

and seeing someone thinks 'Chinese is superior',
I feel that I have to say something

playaa · 4 May 2004

HAHA At Mad Pierrot... Funny pic

Dream Time · 4 May 2004

awhile ago I saw this show on BBC

the crew went to the AIDS villages in Henan,[Chinese province]
actually the government stops any journalists and reporters to enter those villages,even journalists from People's Daily -the Chinese Government's mouthpiece- are not able to visit that area,the Communist government just want to keep it as a secret

in those villages,AIDS kills lots of people,and many children loses their parents due to AIDS,they have no homes,so a kind hearted old man collected about a million Chinese dollars to build a orphanage for those children to stay in,so those children finally had a home,but a Communist government official came in and ordered to shut down the orphanage,
so the children are again homeless

this is just one of the examples of the **** that the Chinese Communist government did and doing

Golgo_13 · 5 May 2004

Dream Time,

Well said.

Thank you.

DaMo said:
The Japanese empire annexed the independent kingdom of Okinawa (which, by the way, was a tributary of China for three prior centuries) in 1897. As far as I know, Okinawa is still part of Japan.

Only except people in Okinawa don't want freedom and independence from Japan. In fact, when Okinawa was formally returned to Japan by the U.S. in 1972 people there were happy to become the 47th prefecture.

People of Tibet want their independence from China.

Gaki · 5 May 2004

Dream Time said:
to some Chinese people who thinks the Communist government is good:
open your eyes,look clearly,open your mind,think clearly

And to those who hate their own country:
Look in the mirror

Dream Time · 5 May 2004

Gaki said:
And to those who hate their own country:
Look in the mirror

I love China,
if I hate it,I would not point out the wrong doings of the government,
I only hate the government
loving your own country does not mean you have to love your government.
that is a totally different thing.

in fact I hate the governments of Japan,USA and UK too,
but I like those countries.

Maciamo · 5 May 2004

Dream Time said:
I love China,
if I hate it,I would not point out the wrong doings of the government,
I only hate the government
loving your own country does not mean you have to love your government.
that is a totally different thing.

in fact I hate the governments of Japan,USA and UK too,
but I like those countries.

Good point. I think this is the most important thing to know before debating about history and politics on this kind of (international) forum.

DaMo · 5 May 2004

Dream Time said:
I love China,
if I hate it,I would not point out the wrong doings of the government,
I only hate the government
loving your own country does not mean you have to love your government.
that is a totally different thing.

in fact I hate the governments of Japan,USA and UK too,
but I like those countries.

If you do love China, you would not want her to give away provinces just because the current government is crappy. Once it happens, it cannot be undone.

Grandpa Frank · 5 May 2004

Never Were Truer Words Spoken !!!!

loving your own country does not mean you have to love your government. (Dreamer's Quote)
that is a totally different thing.

Since the Viet Nam Era and my 4 years in the military,
I have a rabid hate for the US Govt, but not the country or it's people!!

Frank

DaMo · 5 May 2004

Golgo_13 said:
Only except people in Okinawa don't want freedom and independence from Japan. In fact, when Okinawa was formally returned to Japan by the U.S. in 1972 people there were happy to become the 47th prefecture.

People of Tibet want their independence from China.

The Reversion of Okinawa in 1972

There are a lot of people who "want independence" from so-and-so country. If that were the only qualification, the world would today be a patchwork of clan-ruled states. My own country is racked with insurgencies, which is why I can relate to what China is facing. I don't like Communists any more than you do. But this is about China, not the CCP. Tibet was already a part of the China before China "invaded" it. Even Britain signed it back to China in 1910 (unlike their usual blundering departures), after a brief period of colonial control, when it wrested the province from the Chinese domain. Tibet certainly has a longer history with China than Okinawa does with Japan. For that matter, Okinawa has a longer history with China than it does with Japan, considering it was China's tributary for three centuries.

That's not to say I support the CCP's policies in Tibet, but I do not support their policies in the rest of China either. In fact, I strongly disagree with them. That doesn't mean I want the whole of China to fall apart. The CCP will eventually be forced to come to terms with an educated politically-aware Chinese population bent on greater liberty, and things will change for the better.

Golgo_13 · 5 May 2004

Based on your logic, I'll assume that China is still a part of Mongolia since Genghis Khan ruled it years ago.

Dream Time · 5 May 2004

DaMo said:
If you do love China, you would not want her to give away provinces just because the current government is crappy. Once it happens, it cannot be undone.

the Communist government destroys the culture of Tibetans
no political freedoms at all,no human rights

Golgo_13 · 6 May 2004

DaMo said:
If you do love China, you would not want her to give away provinces just because the current government is crappy. Once it happens, it cannot be undone.

Is Korea a province of China?

You got me all confused.

DaMo · 6 May 2004

Golgo_13 said:
Based on your logic, I'll assume that China is still a part of Mongolia since Genghis Khan ruled it years ago.

Now that you mention Mongolia, it was in fact part of the Chinese empire during the 17th-19th century, until it was wrested from China by the USSR.

So, by your perception of my logic, Mongolia should unite with China. However, I favor the current status quo, considering the recent history of that country (and despite the calls of some Chinese radicals for reunification).

Dream Time said:
the Communist government destroys the culture of Tibetans
no political freedoms at all,no human rights

The communist government under Mao destroyed to some extent the cultural heritage of all of China, not just Tibet. But now that the Cultural Revolution is over and the old Maoist order is dead, the Chinese government is investing several millions into repairing the damage wrought by its radical revolutionist predecessors.

Golgo_13 said:
Is Korea a province of China?

You got me all confused.

Korea? Why should Korea be a province of China? And what does that have to do with Dream Time's post?

mad pierrot · 6 May 2004

Just to butt in, Mongolia wasn't wrested away entirely against it's will.........

We should start a thread on Mongolian history!

Great posts!

Golgo_13 · 7 May 2004

DaMo said:
Korea? Why should Korea be a province of China? And what does that have to do with Dream Time's post?

Because you seem to think all the countries around China, e.g., Tibet, Mongolia, Okinawa, and Japan, belong to China.

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