J-Music not so original anymore...

[MadamePapillon]

I didn't mean to say that all music comes from one genre, the spectrum in music is vast. Any music you hear has it's roots, and rules to abide by, do you know what I mean? I'm exhausted at the moment, lol.

Yeah, I think I just misunderstood. True enough, but that still doesn't excuse crap music.

 

[Nuala]

Yeah, I think I just misunderstood. True enough, but that still doesn't excuse crap music.

I agree whole heartedly, which is why we have the internet.

 

[SaKeVi]

Bleh, **** this... when I showed up in this forum time ago and said this, I was almost crucified by all the japanese music fans here.

Don't worry, all of this has been happening since the 80's. You just reached the light at the end of the tunnel, and now you can say "japanese music is also full of crap", something that many japanese lovers around the world can't accept.

See you around!!

 

[MadamePapillon]

Bleh, **** this... when I showed up in this forum time ago and said this, I was almost crucified by all the japanese music fans here.
Don't worry, all of this has been happening since the 80's. You just reached the light at the end of the tunnel, and now you can say "japanese music is also full of crap", something that many japanese lovers around the world can't accept.
See you around!!

Now that you mention it, I am REALLY surprised there have been no insane fangirls flaming me and declaring Jrockers as the second coming of Jesus Not even a mild disagreement...that is a bit odd. Where have all the fangirls gotten to?

.....Maybe they're all still huddled up in a dark cave somewhere recovering from SKIN, lol.

 

[Nina007]

Hey, when u wrote that i had to write something. haha, im a fangirl xD but i dont disagree in everything here, and i think people are allowed to have their own opinions without me saying stupid fangirl-things xD cause im grown up enough to understand that its just stupid to stand against decent arguments with fangirling. And to be honest I dont have anything to disagree with. ...Who has said that all jmusic is good music, anyway?

Sorry if ive misunderstood something and stuff, but my english isnt that good

 

[dakkii]

^yaaaaay! i like concious fangirls

SaKeVi's appearance without drama? crazy! XD

Good link, dakkii, the title 'Shutting out the Sun' it kind of brought to mind Japans strange love of concrete and paving over their natural resources.
This is hugely off topic but I think in a big way Japan is really sufforcating itself. Some of the most disturbing imagery I've ever seen has come from there and I just find it wierd how they go out of their way and spend ridiculous amounts of money on the strangest things, like imitating westerners. Makes you wonder what is going on with them when the most popular plastic surgeries in japan are designed to make them look more 'western' or that they are the top consumers of name brands like Loius Vitton.
You get the overwhelming sense that Japan doesn't want to be japanese and that's just strange, especially considering they have a huge following of westerners that think japan is the best thing since sliced bread. Hmm.

i'll continue with the off-topic-ness with some stuff i learned actually from the book i linked to... the Louis Vitton thing reminded me of a part in the book where the author describes the opening of a designer bag store in tokyo. women were lined up DAYS in advance to buy these bags, bags that are usually targeted at upper-class women. however, the women lined up where all middle-class or less, scrapping together their savings to buy a brand name bag. in the US (the country used as contrast in the book, but no doubt it's the same many other places) middle-class women, while sometimes wishing they had designer bags, know that such things are frivilous and too expensive. however, this is because foreign women see them as just bags, while japanese women see the brand as an identity. group mentality has always been valued the most in japan, while individuality has not. the word for "freedom" actually means "doing what one wants IN SPITE of the group's wishes", which is considered very bad. thus as individuality pushes its way onto the islands (as the ideals of countries like the US seep in), japanese are instead inclined to leech onto ANOTHER group to use as an identity, rather than look within themselves. so fashion, music, tv/movies, any one thing or hobby that influences a person, they consider as their identity, rather than the person underneath all those things.

just one instance of the craziness o_o my typing sucks in this post because i just went to see Beckett's ENDGAME and now mah brainz arrr mooosh

 

[Davey]

It depends the genre and the artist. Some artist are still making the same kind of music... I mean have a look at Kinki kids their music doesn't sound original at all, the same goes for all these other kawaii looking Johhny's entertainment bands... Even though I don't think Smap isn't that bad.

But there are a lot of groups, artist that try out different things and try to stand out from the rest. One of them is for example Dreams Come True... a band that has been around for over 25 years now, and still hit the charts very high when they bring out a new single. Recently they brought out a single with the title: Osaka Lover. This single was written all in Kansai ben (the local dialect in the area)... I call that original.

Some Japanese music is original some are not... You have that everywhere.

Another thing is, when you are new to something it can be amazing but after a while you are getting used to it and indeed you realize that this music is the same crap as in your own country.

 

[RevengeBabyYeah]

You guys all have really good points.
MadamePapillon- you're just trying to provoke me now.....

 

[MadamePapillon]

Hey, when u wrote that i had to write something. haha, im a fangirl xD but i dont disagree in everything here, and i think people are allowed to have their own opinions without me saying stupid fangirl-things xD cause im grown up enough to understand that its just stupid to stand against decent arguments with fangirling. And to be honest I dont have anything to disagree with. ...Who has said that all jmusic is good music, anyway?
Sorry if ive misunderstood something and stuff, but my english isnt that good

You are a brave brave fangirl, and quite a bit more mature than your average rabid foaming-at-the-mouth type. My hat off to you XD

 

[MadamePapillon]

^yaaaaay! i like concious fangirls
SaKeVi's appearance without drama? crazy! XD
i'll continue with the off-topic-ness with some stuff i learned actually from the book i linked to... the Louis Vitton thing reminded me of a part in the book where the author describes the opening of a designer bag store in tokyo. women were lined up DAYS in advance to buy these bags, bags that are usually targeted at upper-class women. however, the women lined up where all middle-class or less, scrapping together their savings to buy a brand name bag. in the US (the country used as contrast in the book, but no doubt it's the same many other places) middle-class women, while sometimes wishing they had designer bags, know that such things are frivilous and too expensive. however, this is because foreign women see them as just bags, while japanese women see the brand as an identity. group mentality has always been valued the most in japan, while individuality has not. the word for "freedom" actually means "doing what one wants IN SPITE of the group's wishes", which is considered very bad. thus as individuality pushes its way onto the islands (as the ideals of countries like the US seep in), japanese are instead inclined to leech onto ANOTHER group to use as an identity, rather than look within themselves. so fashion, music, tv/movies, any one thing or hobby that influences a person, they consider as their identity, rather than the person underneath all those things.
just one instance of the craziness o_o my typing sucks in this post because i just went to see Beckett's ENDGAME and now mah brainz arrr mooosh

I know when women here have that same kind of behavior where they define themselves with material possesions and spend beyond their means to keep up with the jones's it's usually frown upon and in some cases they actually seek professional help to stop.

Most (not all) middle class / lower class women, even if the did have the money, would never spend it on a bag, no matter what name was attatched to it. Though this is far from just a japanese issue it seems to be far more accepted there than here. I think we're slightly more practical in that sense, no use looking good if there's no food on the table, right?

 

[MadamePapillon]

Dutch Baka - Your so right, I think it was just the newness off it all. Like, OMG, their singing in japanese, and look at all the pretty costumes, YAAY. But after awhile the newness wears off and you realize you have pretty much the exact same crap at home, only you can understand the lyrics. Though granted most western singers don't usually wear costumes, that seems to be uniquely japanese. They also really seem to love vampires and demonic imagery, though I don't think they quite get it.


RevengeBabyYeah - Whaaa ☝ I'm innocent, I swear

 

[mishimon]

on any culture you will find copy cats. Hey that song is cool maybe I can write one that cool too, and so on.

Think about it, there are only 8 basic notes and ALL music is just a derivative of that. so there ya go.