Japan and small living spaces

[Habaek]

I'm sorry if I missed the part where you explained why your personal preferences apply to an entire country of people with a culture completely different from your own. If you've already explained this please do direct me to the explanation. I'm sure some of these people have worked very hard to live in these "prison cell like apartment condos" you are referencing and wouldn't appreciate you minimizing their accomplishments.

Okay lets say it is the greatest accomplishment of all time, you cannot use this as a way to justify shoving people into coffin like spaces. You can do an experiment and try putting mice in a small enclosed space to see what happens.

Like I said this is more of a health concern, there's no need to be philosophical about it.

 

[jt9258]

Okay lets say it is the greatest accomplishment of all time, you cannot use this as a way to justify shoving people into coffin like spaces. You can do an experiment and try putting mice in a small enclosed space to see what happens.

Like I said this is more of a health concern, there's no need to be philosophical about it.

The only person who has an issue with living space is yourself.

As for making comparisons its pointless, we are not interested.

 

[OoTmaster]

Like I said this is more of a health concern, there's no need to be philosophical about it.

So you've done studies that link small living spaces and health concerns? Please do provide a link to the peer reviewed paper. Otherwise that's simply conjecture.

 

[Habaek]

How can people live in such a way smh





Even inmates who are placed in the "SHU" Solitary confinement - Wikipedia at correctional facilities have a bigger space.

 

[jt9258]

How can people live in such a way smh

The simple answer is they do.

Why does it matter so much too you?

As for being un-healthy, the Japanese live the longest.

 

[Glenski]

I don't know where you found those 2 pictures, but I hope you don't think they are anything close to the norm in Japan.
Do you?

By the way, I asked you earlier how tall you are. Could you please do me the courtesy of answering?

 

[Glenski]

Looks like Vancouver has begun to adopt Japanese ways of thinking. Beware the micro-loft! How can you possibly live in such things, Habaek?

Some are advertised as 400 sq ft. This article says that in 2019 they will have some 140 sq ft. How can you live like that, Habaek?

 

[Habaek]

Looks like Vancouver has begun to adopt Japanese ways of thinking. Beware the micro-loft! How can you possibly live in such things, Habaek?

Some are advertised as 400 sq ft. This article says that in 2019 they will have some 140 sq ft. How can you live like that, Habaek?

The answer is I don't, ironically it's the non locals that choose to live or own new condos in downtown.
from my knowledge Over 20% of new condos in Vancouver and Richmond owned by non-residents | CBC News




Most locals especially who are "non-minority" lives in the suburb in fact many of them has nothing to do with downtown at all. Meaning their livelihood does not involve being in downtown.


I know this first hand because I date a lot of young ladies(international students) who reside in downtown,
and I'm very annoyed by their dwelling space. I always complain over the small shower space or the fact you are not suppose to speak too loud. This is the only reason for me to be in downtown at all.


When people say Vancouver, it's not simply the downtown of Vancouver.




This is Vancouver too

 

[diligentcircle]

You're reminding me of this video:

 

[Akakubisan]

The point I'm trying to make is more related to basic human needs than philosophical.
A person's well being is strongly affected by their environment. I know I'm bias since the living standard here in Vancouver is quite high Vancouver rated top North American city for quality of life and infrastructure | Georgia Straight Vancouver's News & Entertainment Weekly

Anyway comparing houses in suburb of Tokyo, and say suburb of Vancouver(Abbotsford is about 40 minutes drive to Vancouver)


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We're people, people live there ^

How do you compare a house a 15 minute bicycle ride from Shibuya to a house in suburban Vancouver? That portion of Setagaya is considered part of central Tokyo, and it's reflected in the price. I know the house, I live walking distance to it.

And how big do you need? That Setagaya house is over 1200 sq ft, not exactly small.

 

[Glenski]

Habaek,
You completely lost the reason I wrote that last message. Others here have complained that you have no right to b!tch about how other cultures live. I was merely trying to point out something that reversed the situation. Can you deal with that all by itself without any specifics?

My question is why do you you feel compelled to criticize at all?

Now, for the freaking last time, how tall are you?

 

[johnnyG]

(don't feed the troll)

 

[af283]

I spent 3 weeks in Japan and coming from the UK the hotel room sizes were perfectly adequete to me, even though we travelled on a budget.
My husband being 6foot 2 struggled slightly with a shower height in Tokyo but was not the end of the world.

As long as somewhere is clean and safe - who cares? You're in Japan, one of the most beautiful places in the world so why complain about the size of a hotel room and insult how other people live?

 

[Habaek]

I spent 3 weeks in Japan and coming from the UK the hotel room sizes were perfectly adequete to me, even though we travelled on a budget.
My husband being 6foot 2 struggled slightly with a shower height in Tokyo but was not the end of the world.

As long as somewhere is clean and safe - who cares? You're in Japan, one of the most beautiful places in the world so why complain about the size of a hotel room and insult how other people live?

"As long as somewhere is clean and safe - who cares?"

Another problem is they have difficulty understanding the meaning of sanitation. I stayed in a hotel with no ventilation in the bathroom. I notice this is quite the norm in Japan there are many places with no ventilation, even in some government buildings(just look up)

The second problem is there are many eating establishments with no access to a sink for you to wash your hands, and then there are some that does have a bathroom and sink but no hot water.

I'm so mind blown from this.


I find it funny how they established something like this only in the 2003 also how many restaurants actually participate in it? Food Safety Certification System | Tokyo Metropolitan Government initiatives and systems




"Cooking(restaurant,cafe,hotels,etc.) 587" that's an extremely small amount


by the way I also like Japan, I think it's beautiful too but they have issues they need to fix lol.

 

[jt9258]

by the way I also like Japan, I think it's beautiful too but they have issues they need to fix lol.

This is your problem, it has nothing to do with Japan.

 

[Majestic]

Can we put a nail in this thread. It is well and truly done.

 

[jt9258]

Can we put a nail in this thread. It is well and truly done.

There's always one!!!!

 

[diligentcircle]

and then there are some that does have a bathroom and sink but no hot water.

Hot water is not needed to wash hands properly. In fact it makes no difference; water has to be so hot that it burns your skin before it can kill any bacteria. I use cold water to wash my hands all the time in the summer.

 

[Habaek]

Hot water is not needed to wash hands properly. In fact it makes no difference; water has to be so hot that it burns your skin before it can kill any bacteria. I use cold water to wash my hands all the time in the summer.

It is shocking to me, since where I'm from a restaurant is not allowed to operate without hot running water from the tap.

 

[diligentcircle]

And that's a stupid, pointless rule. The health department is pretty much a joke, anyway. Anyone who's worked at a restaurant knows this. The only things keeping food safe are franchise standards and fear of lawsuits. Even then, the inside of a restaurant is not pretty, and the health department is no help at all.

 

[WonkoTheSane]

And that's a stupid, pointless rule. The health department is pretty much a joke, anyway. Anyone who's worked at a restaurant knows this. The only things keeping food safe are franchise standards and fear of lawsuits. Even then, the inside of a restaurant is not pretty, and the health department is no help at all.

In the US, the health department will certainly go into a restaurant and impose penalties if complaints are made and violations are found. It happens all the time. To suggest otherwise ignores thousands of fines, business closures and other penalties imposed each year based on health department inspection failures.

Of course you're entirely right about hot or cold water not making a difference to hand washing efficacy in countries with clean water supplies.

 

[diligentcircle]

Sorry, I was a bit unclear. I know restaurants can get closed for failing to abide by health department rules, but what I meant is that those rules are ludicrously lax. This is why chain restaurants tend to have much, much stricter rules that they enforce internally. At Taco Bell, we weren't concerned about health department inspections; all we needed to do to stay safe from that was keep the place looking decent and have properly functioning equipment. What we worried about was "Core", i.e. Taco Bell corporate's standards.

Pop quiz: do you know how many houseflies are allowed in a restaurant?

 

[WonkoTheSane]

Sorry, I was a bit unclear. I know restaurants can get closed for failing to abide by health department rules, but what I meant is that those rules are ludicrously lax. This is why chain restaurants tend to have much, much stricter rules that they enforce internally. At Taco Bell, we weren't concerned about health department inspections; all we needed to do to stay safe from that was keep the place looking decent and have properly functioning equipment. What we worried about was "Core", i.e. Taco Bell corporate's standards.

This is a snippet from an actual inspection of a restaurant in Washtenaw county, Michigan:

• Observed cooked breaded chicken being stored along cookline at 48-50 degrees f, cut cabbage on cutting board at room temperature at 60 degrees f, cooked egg rolls along cookline at 52 degrees f. All potentially hazardous foods must be stored at 41 degrees f or below and/or 135 degrees f to minimize the potential for microbial growth. Corrected by placing egg rolls on sheet tray in walk in freezer to rapidly cool to 41 degrees f. Placed cooked breaded chicken in cooler, and discarded cut cabbage. Corrected.

I'm sure it varies, but at least in some places the rules are reasonably strict. Perhaps not where you are, and I'm sure that there are better and worse inspectors and locales in regards to being lax.

Pop quiz: do you know how many houseflies are allowed in a restaurant?

Nope, but I'm guessing it varies considerably since there isn't just one set of rules for the country.

 

[diligentcircle]

The answer is "five", at least where I live.

 

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

Higashiyama culture of Kyoto is the origin of small living space in Japan.
Within Jisho-ji Temple, the room called the Togudo Dojinsai was a four and a half tatami mat room; it is in what has been called early shoinzukuri-style, and is a prototypical example of Japanese-style architecture.
This room stands for value and aesthetics in simplicity.(Wabi, Sabi)