Help with a translation for section of a Japanese children story

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1.むかしむかし、あるところに、おじいさんとおばあさんが住んでいました。
2. 二人は子どもがいなかったので、シロというイヌをとてもかわいがっていました。
3. ある日、シロが畑でほえました。
4.「ここほれワンワン、ここほれワンワン」
5.「おや? ここをほれと言っているのか。よしよし、ほってやろう」
6. おじいさんがほってみると、
7.「ややっ、これはすごい!」
8. なんと、地面の中から大判小判がザクザクと出てきたのです。
9. この話を聞いた、となりの欲ばりじいさんが、
10.「わしも、大判小判を手に入れる。おめえのシロを、わしに貸してくれや」
11. 欲ばりじいさんは、シロを無理矢理畑に連れて行きました。
12. そして、いやがるシロがキャンキャンないたところをほってみると、くさいゴミがたくさん出てきました。
13.「この役立たずのイヌめ!」
14. 怒ったよくばりじいさんは、なんと、シロを殴り殺してしまったのです。
15. シロを殺されたおじいさんとおばあさんは、なくなく、シロを畑にうめてやると、棒(ぼう)を立ててお墓を作りました。


1.Once upon a time, at a certain place, an old man and an old women lived.
2.They have a very lovely dog named Shiro because they did not have any kids.
3.One day, Shiro was at the garden barking.
4."Dig here ruff ruff, Dig here ruff ruff'
5."Oh? You are saying to dig here? There there , I'll dig."
6.The old man dig and watched.
7."This is amazing!"
8.What came from the middle of the ground was lots of coins big and small.
9.This speech was told by an neighbor, a greedy old man.
10."This is also my ooban and koban that I have obtained. I lend your shiro."
11.The greedy old man, took Shiro by its will along with him.
12.Later, Shiro hated this, he cried and yelp to the place where he digged, smelly trash that left.
13."This useless dog!"
14.The angry greedy old man ,what, Shiro was beaten to death completely.
15. .................... , in tears, The old man and old women buried Shiro in the garden, they used the pole to make the grave tomb.

This took me a week to memorize and study all the kanji and words from this sentence, but to translate is the hard part. I have only gotten to 15 lines (2 lines a day).
I know there is a lot of *careless* mistakes!

Some questions:
As you can see at the last line "シロを殺されたおじいさんとおばあさんは" I do not know how to translate this. 'The slain shiro old man and old women?' I have seen this happen before with the 'sareta' at the end of a verb but I never really understood it.

What does the phrase hotte miru mean? 'Dig look?'

What does nanto mean in middle of a sentence?

Some of the verbs are at the beginning of the sentence, like iyagaru, why is that? I know you can transform verbs into nouns then put it where a noun should be, but I thought there was a word after the verb you have to put first (koto I believe), but maybe this is irrelevant.

Sorry for the long post.

For some reason this won't let me paste correctly. It is the first 15 lines from this website:
花咲じいさん <福娘童話集 日本の有名な話>
 
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Is this something you're doing for school? Or something you're doing because you thought a children's story would be a good learning material?
 
Is this something you're doing for school? Or something you're doing because you thought a children's story would be a good learning material?

The second, but this is going to be the last time that I do this. I'm going to try to find a simpler way to study.

I'm learning Japanese because I have a bunch of Japanese materials (comics, vhs, retro games, even maps) that's been collecting up my space.
 
6)
"The -te form of a verb + みる" is a structure for "to try to do". This みる is an auxiliary verb, and doesn't mean "to see/look/watch".

8)
なんと is an interjection, meaning "amazingly".
The predicate of this sentence is 出てきたのです.

9)
The clause この話を聞いた midifies となりの欲ばりじいさん.
聞いた means "heard", and not "was told".

10)
This 大判小判 doesn't refer to the ones hanasakajiisan dug.
貸してくれ is the imperative of 貸してくれる.
~てくれる: " to give me a favor of doing"

11)
You missed 畑に.

12)
いやがる modifies シロ.
The subject of ほってみる is 欲ばりじいさん.

14)
殴り殺してしまった is not the passive. The subject is 欲ばりじいさん.

15)
シロを殺された modifies おじいさんとおばあさん.
This is an indirect passive. This form shows that the event is unfortunate for the subject.


Have you ever learned 連体修飾節[れんたいしゅうしょくせつ] "the adnominal/attributive clause", which is the equivalent to "the relative clause" in English?
 
The second, but this is going to be the last time that I do this. I'm going to try to find a simpler way to study.

It's a really bad idea, but take comfort in the fact that probably everybody has it at some point (and I include myself).

The problem is that the wee tots such books are aimed at need material which is thematically uncomplicated....which we all know....but what we fail to think of is that they don't need material which is linguistically uncomplicated. Any native-speaking kid old enough to understand and appreciate that story possesses a grasp of grammar/syntax/vocabulary that the beginning foreign learner isn't going to have yet. Both my children are monolingual Japanese native speakers and I had been using Japanese in my everyday life for some years before they showed up in the world. The period in which my Japanese was better than theirs was astoundingly short. Humiliatingly short.....and I had a nine year head start on them.

Your best course of action would be to take a class somewhere. If that isn't possible, at least try to work from a proper textbook (not a reference book). It works better to learn it in a sensible order, from the ground up, than it does to try to figure it out by attempting to decode blocks of text with a reference book and a dictionary.
 
6)Have you ever learned 連体修飾節[れんたいしゅうしょくせつ] "the adnominal/attributive clause", which is the equivalent to "the relative clause" in English?

Thanks for all the help you giving me this last week! ^^

No I haven't learned the adnominal clause, but I have heard of the relative clause when I diagram sentences in school. I never really paid that much attention to it though.

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It's a really bad idea, but take comfort in the fact that probably everybody has it at some point (and I include myself).

The problem is that the wee tots such books are aimed at need material which is thematically uncomplicated....which we all know....but what we fail to think of is that they don't need material which is linguistically uncomplicated. Any native-speaking kid old enough to understand and appreciate that story possesses a grasp of grammar/syntax/vocabulary that the beginning foreign learner isn't going to have yet. Both my children are monolingual Japanese native speakers and I had been using Japanese in my everyday life for some years before they showed up in the world. The period in which my Japanese was better than theirs was astoundingly short. Humiliatingly short.....and I had a nine year head start on them.

Your best course of action would be to take a class somewhere. If that isn't possible, at least try to work from a proper textbook (not a reference book). It works better to learn it in a sensible order, from the ground up, than it does to try to figure it out by attempting to decode blocks of text with a reference book and a dictionary.

Thanks for the advice.
I have a learning software that kinda helps me but not too much. When I can afford it I going to try and buy rosetta stone, but it's very expensive.
 
No I haven't learned the adnominal clause, but I have heard of the relative clause when I diagram sentences in school. I never really paid that much attention to it though.
Mike-san explained 連体修飾節 in detail in the post linked below.

Need a word or phrase translated? | Page 415 | Japan Forum

この話を聞いた、となりの欲ばりじいさん
(lit.)a neighbor, a greedy old man who have heard this story
 
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