Erekose
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- 5 Feb 2003
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I miss home. get me out of tokyo!!!
What would be stopping you exactly?
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I miss home. get me out of tokyo!!!
@ Elizabeth - O'Hare International is the busiest airport in the world.
Actually Atlanta Hartsfield airport is the busiest in the world...O'Hare used to be, but Atlanta took over that distinction several years ago.
I understand what you are saying, but I wouldn't necsissarily say that this is a mindset of the Japanese... I think that this is something I like to think of as "silent compliance"... Plenty of people I know dislike things about Japan, they aren't brainwashed, but they see no way out of their situations.i am in a limbo at the moment. I never left home looking for a better place, it sort of happened naturaly. Although the Japanese mentality is "if I can't do it than neither should you", they desperately adhear to the "Norm" or "what is considered correct by society", where as my home does not. They both have their good and bads points, but I suppose it comes down to the individual as to what he or she chooses.
You just proved my point. I never said they like it that way, but it is ingrained into them from a young age and it is expected of them. When someone goes against the norm it is frowned upon and they are subsequently socialy crusified through "kuchikomi" word of mouth. Eg Workmates, friends, neighbours and even in some cases relatives will bad mouth someone if their kids did something out of the norm. This more than enough motive to make people conform to these society standards. But the fact still remains (even those who don't like the need to conform) will not accept the fact of someone doing something they do not have the guts to do themselves, I have not really heard of anyone saying "good for them ,I hope they do well".I understand what you are saying, but I wouldn't necsissarily say that this is a mindset of the Japanese... I think that this is something I like to think of as "silent compliance"... Plenty of people I know dislike things about Japan, they aren't brainwashed, but they see no way out of their situations.
I had a friend working in Shibuya as a sports-television editor... he would sleep on a futon at work, and be there for hours and hours when I would phone him... He knew that this was dreadful work, but never considered there could be an alternative, naturally, because there is none.
Since World War II, Japan has impressed upon it's people (as one example) to fall in and work those extra hours for Japan... this has remained as part-and-parcell tradition, rather than necessity... All the while where Europe is seeing the benefits to the worker in a 4 day work week... Even if this isn't entirely executed.
There are some things that I've seen that were more like what you've said... my ex could never finish a meal at a restaraunt without eating all she was given... I told her, if you're not hungry anymore than just leave the rest (getting things to-go in Japan seems anathema), ...I can understand as a guest at someone's home, but if I'm full at a restaraunt.. I'm not going to keep shoving the food down my throat because it's polite.
I think a portion of Japanese mores works on the idea of orthodoxy... a sort of "non-thinking", but unlike many other societies, these mores don't necissarily work on a basis of sexual conduct, or predaliction.... They are more nationalistic in most respects, and I think, in some ways, admirable, at least as far as the psychology involved in governing a nation goes.
Even an insideous plan is notable for its cleverness.
@ Elizabeth - O'Hare International is the busiest airport in the world.
Hmm, doesn't sound too cool, let me rephrase that:
O'Hare International is THE busiest airport IN THE WORLD.
Better.
NYC, NJ (sadly), much of MD and urban PA I can understand, but upstate NY? Are you serious? Some of the nicest people I've ever met are from rural PA or upstate NY.My comments are strictly based on what I've seen and experience in NY Metro, upstate NY rural areas, NJ suburbs, MD, CT, VA, PA, and NC.
Hahaha! Too late!I am not here to start I-hate-this-country type of thread as that does not make me feel any better and also that does not achieve any purpose because each person's perspective and experience would be different anyway.
I wouldn't consider Japan to be group-interest oriented, but rather, possessed of an "I don't want to rock the boat/don't want to be responsible for something/it's somebody else's problem" mentality. The U.S. always had individualism tempered by responsibility. Until recently. Thank you, "Me Generation".Gentleman10 said:This reason why behind this is easy to identify: Self interest vs group interest. (us v japan). Both schools of thought have their good and bad reprecussions, and this is one of the bad for the us
The Mid-Atlantic seaboard from DC to Boston is one huge chain of cities and suburbs. Almost all of NJ is suburbia (except for the Pine Barrens and the northern foothills), for example, because it is smack between NYC and Philly. These urban centers are bustling and busy, and people don't have any time or patience.gaijinalways said:As to people being rude and arrogant there, I haven't noticed that anymore than other places in the US. Certainly most of the Northeast would be more fast paced than rural NC or the Midwest, though than again, if you lived or visited in northern NH, VT, or ME, you would feel very much at home.
A lot of this is historical, though. A lot of crime is a result of poverty, miseducation (or poor education), and desperation. Crimes are highest among poor minority groups in the United States. The U.S. is not a homogeneous society, so these tensions surface often and sometimes with bad results.Gentleman10 said:From the Western perspective, I think the results of independent conflict are self evident. Everyone kills rapes and maimes each other much more than in Japan. But once you think about it, are we socially pressured to hide our feelings and conform to the norm? Hell no we aren't. And as a result, is our suicide rate anywhere near as astronomical as Japan's...? No, because instead, as you said, I think Westerners (at least Americans) freely *express* emotions than hide them, and thus, we are a more violent people.
We historians are forced to work with generalizations in order to identify the social stimulus that provokes specific historical developments, and identifying exceptions to stereotypes can actually add further insight into the dynamics of social transitions. That being said, generalizations do have their place, but they have to be used properly. Most people wield them like a 10-year-old wields his father's gun.Elizabeth said:I dont know what to say except that is why I hate generalizations.
I took a 2-year break after college before I entered grad school, and that two years was enough for me to lose all touch I once had with the latest fads and everything. I can only imagine what it is like to be out of the country for a decade, then returning to a society and culture that you can barely recognize. It must be like traveling through a time machine.gaijin punch said:In my absence, I am afraid that the states has become less & less attractive. Current regime set aside, I feel I cannot simply mind my own business in even small American cities.
As a counterpoint, to admit that you are a Christian publicly in the academic community is almost like coming out of the closet as a homosexual in a small town. The religious contingent may not have a right to shove it's beliefs down your throat, but they fear the loss of values and mores that an abandonment of religion can lead to... particularly that dog-eat-dog mentality that you were lamenting just now.Erekose said:Personally Religion is a big item as in the United States to admit you are an Atheist publicly can have sometimes severe consequences.
Ummm. No. The Japanese government has been showing itself to be incredibly screwed up lately, with billions of yen being lost, entire government departments being investigated, and best of all, everyone passing the buck to someone else. Even Abe blamed Koizumi for the why everything is so screwed. That's like Bush blaming Clinton for everything that's gone wrong during his administration.Of course Politics has its own issues in Japan, but they pale in comparison.
That's because people are sheep. Not enough of us are militantly moderate, like me. We end up getting hated by everybody.Pachipro said:Demopublicans and Republicrats, they are all in the game which is why they forbid Independents to run for office or make it extremely difficult.
That JUST got shot down today. And the parties themselves were pretty split. Not down the middle, but at least 1/3 of the Dems voted with the majority of the Repubs, and vice versa.Blanket amnesty will be given to the 12 – 20 million illegal aliens already in the country.
Been sayin' this for years. Bread & circuses. Worked for the Romans.This alone should be a wake up call to all workers, but the vast majority of the middle class is still blisfilly unaware and is inundated daily with sensational murders or Paris Hilton, or Britany Spears, American Idol, etc. instead of real news. When they awake, as they are slowly doing today, it will already be too late.
Bada-BING! Right on the head.Yes, The US has changed drastically and will continue changing until it no longer exists as we know it and I no longer desire to live here or to ever live here again.
They would have once, but like you said, we've changed.In the US you're on your own and no one will come to your aid when a gang of thugs decides to break into your home to take what you have at will.
Alright, I agreed with a ton of what you said, except for this last part.Therefore, Jersey Boy, I feel you made the right move and you presented your reasons well. You saw the handwriting on the wall and you moved back as you saw that was the best alternative under the present and everchanging circumstances. I wish you well.