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Other Muslims appear content to allow the Palestinians to suffer. Even rich Arab nations like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait appear to be content to leave the Palestinians to wallow in their misery.
Why do other Muslims dislike the Palestinians?
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Hezam
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Oh Wait !
Do you blame us ?
Our dogs ( leaders ) are afraid of your Pigs ( Leaders ).
If Arab make any move to save or help Palestinians the American Zionist Government won't keep watching.
Who gave Israel Nuclear weapons ? While we are not allowed to own even one.
But dont worry,We will help Palestinians and we will remove Israel from the map like it was before.
It's time matter...
The American Government support Isreal in any cost,and As a result for that Alqaeda attacked your home ! Are not you mad at your government ?
Wake Up people.
Do you blame us ?
Our dogs ( leaders ) are afraid of your Pigs ( Leaders ).
If Arab make any move to save or help Palestinians the American Zionist Government won't keep watching.
Who gave Israel Nuclear weapons ? While we are not allowed to own even one.
But dont worry,We will help Palestinians and we will remove Israel from the map like it was before.
It's time matter...
The American Government support Isreal in any cost,and As a result for that Alqaeda attacked your home ! Are not you mad at your government ?
Wake Up people.
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I'm not biting on your attempt to change the subject.
Why are the Palestinians going hungry and in need of medical aid? Do you really think the US would stand in the way of food and medical aid?
Why don't other Muslim states welcome their Palestinian brothers and give them homes in, say, Jordan or Egypt?
I'm not baiting anyone here. As an American, I am genuinely puzzled by this issue.
Why are the Palestinians going hungry and in need of medical aid? Do you really think the US would stand in the way of food and medical aid?
Why don't other Muslim states welcome their Palestinian brothers and give them homes in, say, Jordan or Egypt?
I'm not baiting anyone here. As an American, I am genuinely puzzled by this issue.
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So, are you claiming that the Saudis tried to send in food and aid, but the Israelis stopped them? When did this happen? Were weapons also included in that shipment?
Sorry, but when Americans hear you say that you want to wipe Israel off the map, we stop listening. That sounds exactly like a CRUSADE. And yes, I know the significance of that word to Middle East history. You are supporting a CRUSADE to turn the territory occupied by Israel into a Muslim-controlled country.
So I have to wonder if you're motivated not so much by a desire to help the Palestinians, as by hatred of people of some other religion and culture. Israel/Palestine is the ancient homeland of Jews, Christians, and Muslims, and Jerusalem is the holy city of all three religions.
Sorry, but when Americans hear you say that you want to wipe Israel off the map, we stop listening. That sounds exactly like a CRUSADE. And yes, I know the significance of that word to Middle East history. You are supporting a CRUSADE to turn the territory occupied by Israel into a Muslim-controlled country.
So I have to wonder if you're motivated not so much by a desire to help the Palestinians, as by hatred of people of some other religion and culture. Israel/Palestine is the ancient homeland of Jews, Christians, and Muslims, and Jerusalem is the holy city of all three religions.
"But dont worry,We will help Palestinians and we will remove Israel from the map like it was before.
It's time matter..."
That's true dear brother, Allah explained it clearly in Al-Qur'an
but truly sadden, we live at the time when Moslem don't care each others
some Moslem in my country aren't too different, only a tiny numbers of people who care much about it
they're too busy with their own business, or we can say that they're too scared to take part in this problem
"*Pulls over a comfy chair*
*Pops some popcorn*
*Sits down to enjoy the bloodbath that is soon to follow!*"
is that your words or someone else, miss.?
RolandtheHeadless, can i know what your religion is.? or maybe you don't believe any religion.?
It's time matter..."
That's true dear brother, Allah explained it clearly in Al-Qur'an
but truly sadden, we live at the time when Moslem don't care each others
some Moslem in my country aren't too different, only a tiny numbers of people who care much about it
they're too busy with their own business, or we can say that they're too scared to take part in this problem
"*Pulls over a comfy chair*
*Pops some popcorn*
*Sits down to enjoy the bloodbath that is soon to follow!*"
is that your words or someone else, miss.?
RolandtheHeadless, can i know what your religion is.? or maybe you don't believe any religion.?
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I was raised Catholic, but had a Lutheran father. Two Christian sects with relatively minor differences in beliefs; yet, enough to make their families oppose the marriage, back in 1950s Ohio, USA. My father had to agree that the children would be raised Catholic, in order to marry my mother.
I wound up an agnostic. Most of my family are devout Christians, though. I don't like to insult people for their religious beliefs; I feel that I'd be saying the same about some beloved family member.
So I mean no insult. But I don't understand why it seems so important to Arabs and Persians that Israel be wiped off the map and that land brought under Islamic dominion. Why can't various faiths co-exist in that land, as they co-exist in other lands?
And how could there ever be any hope of a peaceful solution when one side keeps saying they want to extinguish the other?
If individual Palestinians were deprived of land and property, then why not just compensate them? As a US taxpayer, I'd be willing that my country fund most or even all of the settlements, if that would resolve the chief cause of conflict in the Middle East. That would be a cheap solution, compared to all the money and lives we've been wasting in other endeavors.
I wound up an agnostic. Most of my family are devout Christians, though. I don't like to insult people for their religious beliefs; I feel that I'd be saying the same about some beloved family member.
So I mean no insult. But I don't understand why it seems so important to Arabs and Persians that Israel be wiped off the map and that land brought under Islamic dominion. Why can't various faiths co-exist in that land, as they co-exist in other lands?
And how could there ever be any hope of a peaceful solution when one side keeps saying they want to extinguish the other?
If individual Palestinians were deprived of land and property, then why not just compensate them? As a US taxpayer, I'd be willing that my country fund most or even all of the settlements, if that would resolve the chief cause of conflict in the Middle East. That would be a cheap solution, compared to all the money and lives we've been wasting in other endeavors.
"So I mean no insult. But I don't understand why it seems so important to Arabs and Persians that Israel be wiped off the map and that land brought under Islamic dominion. Why can't various faiths co-exist in that land, as they co-exist in other lands?"
well well well, if you learn it carefully, you'll realize that your words are inverted with reality
we Moslems have been there for a long time, and we have a larger territory than the jewish people before, do we ever tried to banish christians and jews who had lived there until now.?
look the reality, they're the one who drive us away from the land, and they start the war against us
you may see the territory map of occupation Palestinians map from 1946 to 2010
see the difference, and see what they had done to the children and the old
look, who is the one who try to wipe off the map and dominate the land.?
we never start a war against them
and, for Emoni and Zoon van Ijs
sorry to interfere your fun time, but
have you ever heard what zionist said about you people of non-jewish.?
if not, i'll tell ya some of the jewish Quotes
"The Christians are always singing about the blood. Let us give them enough of it! Let us cut their throats and drag them over the altar! And let them drown in their own blood! I dream of the day when the last priest is strangled on the guts of the last preacher."
(Jewish Chairman of the American Communist Party, Gus Hall).
and
"Our race is the Master Race. We are Divine Gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."
(Israeli Prime Minister Menechem Begin)
well well well, if you learn it carefully, you'll realize that your words are inverted with reality
we Moslems have been there for a long time, and we have a larger territory than the jewish people before, do we ever tried to banish christians and jews who had lived there until now.?
look the reality, they're the one who drive us away from the land, and they start the war against us
you may see the territory map of occupation Palestinians map from 1946 to 2010
see the difference, and see what they had done to the children and the old
look, who is the one who try to wipe off the map and dominate the land.?
we never start a war against them
and, for Emoni and Zoon van Ijs
sorry to interfere your fun time, but
have you ever heard what zionist said about you people of non-jewish.?
if not, i'll tell ya some of the jewish Quotes
"The Christians are always singing about the blood. Let us give them enough of it! Let us cut their throats and drag them over the altar! And let them drown in their own blood! I dream of the day when the last priest is strangled on the guts of the last preacher."
(Jewish Chairman of the American Communist Party, Gus Hall).
and
"Our race is the Master Race. We are Divine Gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."
(Israeli Prime Minister Menechem Begin)
Hezam
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Yes they always stop everything Muslims send (one example):
http://www.vivapalestina.org/home.htm
Weapons ? Prove it please.
What about your government who sent All Israelians weapons including nuclear weapons ?
Don't say "You are changing the topic" just answer frankly.
Israel has more than 400 nuclear bombs and this is in the past 10 years,What about now !!
Read the history and come again before judging or guessing.
We lived with Christians in Egypt and Lebanon And with Jewish in Yemen-Morrocco-Iraq-Iran..etc.And they still live with us in peace.
Can you please read about that,But not in american websites since the owners mostly are jewish or zionists.
It's not Jewish Land,It was Canaani Land:
Canaan - Wikipedia
Don't base it on religion books,Although we dont need to know whose the land is because we already know,We need to help palestinians but Israel stop all the help.
The American Media faked the truth always...Many Americans depend on AlJazeera news channel because they always say the turth.
Come and read :
http://english.aljazeera.net/
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No, they like the money and weapons from us. The UK has more arms deals than the US (as of 2007), including a very lucrative deal with Saudi Arabia. We have also supplied Pakistan, Israel, Jordan and Turkey. And we like your oil from you. It has bugger all to do with fear, except the governments don't want you to know how pally they really are so they feed you with BS propaganda and because you live in a country with a very restrictive media you believe every word.
More BS. Ogansisation helping the Palestinians:
Islamic Aid | Muslim Relief Charity Working to End Poverty (oh look an islamic one)
Anera - Anera
http://www.saudiembassy.net/latest_news/news02260901.aspx (arabs)
Islamic Relief - Wikipedia
Well, I think that suitable debunks your claim.
Not the US. The two countries responsible were France and, I am ashmed to say, the UK. Israel itself offically claims to have no nuclear weapons, but who here believes governments.
Pakistan, an Islamic country, has nuclear weapons. They are just as reluctant as anyone else to give them to the rest of the Islamic world.
A vile testament to how your thinking has been warped by the propaganda you are fed. I believed you were above such things. I am disappointed in you.
Coming from "Mr. I live in a media restrictive society" that's rich. Evidence for such a piece of tripe.
Yeah, about 3000 years ago. 2000 years ago it was Jewish. So maybe if a Canaanite turned up he would have claim to it. This argument shows that the Jews have a more ancient claim to the land than the Palestinians. Nice going, shooting yourself in the foot.
At one point it was even under christian rule before the overun by Arabs.
Good site for old maps and bit of history
Remember this: To the Victor goes the spoils.
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No compareable between the weapons we got and what Israel got.
Also,most Arabic-Islamic countries buy weapons from North Korea and Russia ( The Good weapon ).
Come on ! You were always frank !!
I know it's France & UK but since the US is the peace keeper or the Police man why didnt they stop the deal ?
Pakistan has a very strong enemy ( India ) and we have a very strong enemy ( Israel )...We need nuclear weapons or they must destroy the Israelian nuclear weapons,RIGHT or not ?
Israel is An illegal system created in illegal way,What i mean is the jewish can live in peace without weapons like Christians do ! Am I wrong ????
So do they have the right to kill the people who lived for 2000 or 3000 years old and occupy their land ?
Please answer frankly !
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imuseto:
You attach two alleged quotes from two individual Jews, without providing any verifiable source. Even if these two individuals did make those statements, it doesn't mean they were speaking for the entire Israeli people. One in fact appears to be speaking for the American Communist Party, and nobody here takes what they say seriously. The other, Menachem Began (sp?), is known to have been a Zionist terrorist himself in his younger days (and yes, I heard this from the American "Jewish-controlled" media), so his words lack any credibility with this American at least.
Hezam:
I will try to address your questions, though you have thrown a lot at me. But why don't you address my main questions? Why don't other Arabs do more to help the Palestinians? What stops you all from allowing the Palestinians to immigrate and find at least temporary homes, until their claims are settled? If you care so much about their plight, then why not actually help them, instead of just pointing fingers of blame at America?
"Weapons ? Prove it please."
I simply asked if the convoys of food and medical supplies sent by Arabs were stopped because they included weapons. I don't know if food and medicine were stopped by Israel, and you haven't proved it.
"What about your government who sent All Israelians weapons including nuclear weapons ?
"Don't say "You are changing the topic" just answer frankly."
The US sells weapons to many countries in the Middle East. Israel has been our ally in many international issues, Arab and Persian states have not (they previously aligned themselves with the Soviet Union), so we probably do supply Israel with more weapons than the latter states.
"We lived with Christians in Egypt and Lebanon And with Jewish in Yemen-Morrocco-Iraq-Iran..etc.And they still live with us in peace."
Then why this insistence on wiping Israel off the map? Doesn't sound very peaceful to us, but I guess we're just simple-minded Americans.
"I know it's France & UK but since the US is the peace keeper or the Police man why didnt they stop the deal ?"
This is the kind of thing I get tired of hearing. America can do no right according to some people. We're blamed if we interfere with other nations, and blamed when we don't interfere. Personally, I'd like to see us quit meddling altogether with other nations' affairs.
"Can you please read about that,But not in american websites since the owners mostly are jewish or zionists."
Nonsense. But I will concede that Jewish interests are disproportionately represented in some of our old-line print news media.
You're kidding yourself if you think you're getting the whole truth from al Jazeera. They are as biased as any other news source; they tell their audience what they want to hear, just like our media here. They're not reliable sources of information, they're really in the entertainment business. If the audience isn't being told what they want to hear, they change channels, and the media outlet loses ratings and advertising revenue.
If I watch FOX News on TV here, then turn to MSNBC or CNN, I think I'm living in two different countries. The slant and spin given in their news reports are direct opposites.
I do wish we'd hear more about the Muslim point of view on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict here. From what I do hear, the Muslim position, frankly, sounds completely irrational. I'm not seeing a lot of evidence or arguments here so far to make me think otherwise, I'm sorry to say.
You attach two alleged quotes from two individual Jews, without providing any verifiable source. Even if these two individuals did make those statements, it doesn't mean they were speaking for the entire Israeli people. One in fact appears to be speaking for the American Communist Party, and nobody here takes what they say seriously. The other, Menachem Began (sp?), is known to have been a Zionist terrorist himself in his younger days (and yes, I heard this from the American "Jewish-controlled" media), so his words lack any credibility with this American at least.
Hezam:
I will try to address your questions, though you have thrown a lot at me. But why don't you address my main questions? Why don't other Arabs do more to help the Palestinians? What stops you all from allowing the Palestinians to immigrate and find at least temporary homes, until their claims are settled? If you care so much about their plight, then why not actually help them, instead of just pointing fingers of blame at America?
"Weapons ? Prove it please."
I simply asked if the convoys of food and medical supplies sent by Arabs were stopped because they included weapons. I don't know if food and medicine were stopped by Israel, and you haven't proved it.
"What about your government who sent All Israelians weapons including nuclear weapons ?
"Don't say "You are changing the topic" just answer frankly."
The US sells weapons to many countries in the Middle East. Israel has been our ally in many international issues, Arab and Persian states have not (they previously aligned themselves with the Soviet Union), so we probably do supply Israel with more weapons than the latter states.
"We lived with Christians in Egypt and Lebanon And with Jewish in Yemen-Morrocco-Iraq-Iran..etc.And they still live with us in peace."
Then why this insistence on wiping Israel off the map? Doesn't sound very peaceful to us, but I guess we're just simple-minded Americans.
"I know it's France & UK but since the US is the peace keeper or the Police man why didnt they stop the deal ?"
This is the kind of thing I get tired of hearing. America can do no right according to some people. We're blamed if we interfere with other nations, and blamed when we don't interfere. Personally, I'd like to see us quit meddling altogether with other nations' affairs.
"Can you please read about that,But not in american websites since the owners mostly are jewish or zionists."
Nonsense. But I will concede that Jewish interests are disproportionately represented in some of our old-line print news media.
You're kidding yourself if you think you're getting the whole truth from al Jazeera. They are as biased as any other news source; they tell their audience what they want to hear, just like our media here. They're not reliable sources of information, they're really in the entertainment business. If the audience isn't being told what they want to hear, they change channels, and the media outlet loses ratings and advertising revenue.
If I watch FOX News on TV here, then turn to MSNBC or CNN, I think I'm living in two different countries. The slant and spin given in their news reports are direct opposites.
I do wish we'd hear more about the Muslim point of view on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict here. From what I do hear, the Muslim position, frankly, sounds completely irrational. I'm not seeing a lot of evidence or arguments here so far to make me think otherwise, I'm sorry to say.
Hezam
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You sound very frank,Can i ask you a question ?
What if Russia occupied a prat of the US and forced the people to leave,Will you agree to move to another country ( not inside US ) until the Russian free that part of the US ?
Remember,the Russian occupied that part for 70 years and transfared alot of Russian people and soldiers with Nuclear weapon while the US has no Nuclear weapon or even some tanks.
The Russians killed thousands of americans civilians.
We are sick of the American-European promisses for 70 years ago and we don't see nor expect any good from them.
Thank you.
What if Russia occupied a prat of the US and forced the people to leave,Will you agree to move to another country ( not inside US ) until the Russian free that part of the US ?
Remember,the Russian occupied that part for 70 years and transfared alot of Russian people and soldiers with Nuclear weapon while the US has no Nuclear weapon or even some tanks.
The Russians killed thousands of americans civilians.
We are sick of the American-European promisses for 70 years ago and we don't see nor expect any good from them.
Thank you.
okay mr. RolandtheHeadless, i'll show you the other Quotes
"Everytime we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that...
I want to tell you something very clear; don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
~Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001
and
"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
--Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online
then
"The killing of a non Jew by a Jew is considered essentially a good deed, and jews should therefore have no compunction about it."
-Yitzhak Ginsburg
I believe that Ariel Sharon wasn't selected at random from the people of Israel, he was deliberately chosen by the people of Israel of course.
and about the sources, believe it or not, we got those from your people.
"Everytime we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that...
I want to tell you something very clear; don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
~Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001
and
"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
--Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online
then
"The killing of a non Jew by a Jew is considered essentially a good deed, and jews should therefore have no compunction about it."
-Yitzhak Ginsburg
I believe that Ariel Sharon wasn't selected at random from the people of Israel, he was deliberately chosen by the people of Israel of course.
and about the sources, believe it or not, we got those from your people.
Hezam
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Do you read the news Ronald ?
This week :
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/02/201021875613810292.html
This week :
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/02/201021875613810292.html
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You didn't answer my questions either.
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"I will try to address your questions, though you have thrown a lot at me. But why don't you address my main questions? Why don't other Arabs do more to help the Palestinians? What stops you all from allowing the Palestinians to immigrate and find at least temporary homes, until their claims are settled? If you care so much about their plight, then why not actually help them, instead of just pointing fingers of blame at America?" - Me
While giving you a chance to formulate your responses, I'll try to answer yours.
Hezam, your what-if about Russia invading the US is a good, rational question. On the bare facts as you've given them, I would fight the invaders. I'd want to fight them to my last breath, but would be torn by the need for protecting my family.
But if you're comparing that scenario to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, then I have to tell you that I'm doubtful that you're giving a compete and objective history. I'm no expert on that history myself; I'm just saying that you seem to be partisan on the issue, so I have my doubts that you're being objective.
As for your news link, you may be comforted to know that even our "Jewish-controlled" media here are reporting that Mossad agents are the probable killers. I never claimed that Israel is blameless. I find many of its actions reprehensible. Still, if I were surrounded by enemies who vowed to wipe me off the map, I might find myself resorting to reprehensible actions too.
While giving you a chance to formulate your responses, I'll try to answer yours.
Hezam, your what-if about Russia invading the US is a good, rational question. On the bare facts as you've given them, I would fight the invaders. I'd want to fight them to my last breath, but would be torn by the need for protecting my family.
But if you're comparing that scenario to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, then I have to tell you that I'm doubtful that you're giving a compete and objective history. I'm no expert on that history myself; I'm just saying that you seem to be partisan on the issue, so I have my doubts that you're being objective.
As for your news link, you may be comforted to know that even our "Jewish-controlled" media here are reporting that Mossad agents are the probable killers. I never claimed that Israel is blameless. I find many of its actions reprehensible. Still, if I were surrounded by enemies who vowed to wipe me off the map, I might find myself resorting to reprehensible actions too.
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imuseto, you're giving alleged quotes without providing any authority (verification). And I'd want to see them in complete context before judging the speaker.
Even if their words are taken in the worst possible light (as, I think, you present them), it shows psychotic and dangerous individuals. But these words don't show that the entire nation of Israel is evil. That all of its people are demons. Surely, there are good and bad among them, as there are in all of our nations.
During war, our psychopaths become our heroes.
Even if their words are taken in the worst possible light (as, I think, you present them), it shows psychotic and dangerous individuals. But these words don't show that the entire nation of Israel is evil. That all of its people are demons. Surely, there are good and bad among them, as there are in all of our nations.
During war, our psychopaths become our heroes.
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Roland... please don't forget the mindset of those your having a "conversation" with and trusting for reliable sources :/
Oh, my solution for the Palestine/Israel problem. Both sides shut the #$%@ up, be civil and peaceful and get along with each other. Keep your religion to yourself and respect the rights of each other as human beings. Oh wait, I forgot the types of people I'm talking to as well... silly me.
Oh, my solution for the Palestine/Israel problem. Both sides shut the #$%@ up, be civil and peaceful and get along with each other. Keep your religion to yourself and respect the rights of each other as human beings. Oh wait, I forgot the types of people I'm talking to as well... silly me.
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