Why do Muslim women wear veils?

[Hezam]

1. Is there something special about your people that will lead them into corruption without the hijab?

No,this goes on all people,see for example the U.S has the world's highest rape rate of the countries:

* In the United States, 1.3 women are raped every minute. That results in 78 rapes each hour, 1872 rapes each day, 56160 rapes ech month and 683,280 rapes each year.
* 1 out of every 3 American women will be sexually assulted in her lifetime.
* The United States has the world's highest rape rate of the countries that publish such statistics. It's 4 times higher than Germany, 13 times higher than England, and 20 times higher than Japan.
* 1 in 7 women will be raped by her husband.
* 83% of rape cases are ages 24 or under.
* 1 in 4 college women have either been raped or suffered attempted rape.
* 1 in 12 males students surveyed had commited acts that met the legal definition of rape. Furthermore, 84% of the men who had commited such acts said what they had done was definitely not rape.
* 75% of male students and 55% of female students involved in acquintance rape had been drinking or using drugs.
* Only 16% of rapes are ever reported to the police.
Source :
http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ad361896/anne/cease/rapestatisticspage.html

2. Do you consider other cultures (e.g., Americans, Japanese) to be corrupt because their women don't wear a veil or head covering?

No,But the veiled protect women and it's very clear that the united states has the worst rate.
About japan,Japanese people are more modest than Americans (not mean to offend).

The Hinjab isn't the problem, it shows the face. The problem is the veil and the Burka, the covering of the face. There seems to be a confusion between the two. This thread is about the veil and the fact it covers the face.

Sorry i'm confused..

They aren't prevented from wearing the hijab. France has banned the Burka and Spain want to follow this and many other countries within Europe. There was a case of girl who wanted to wear the hijab at school and prevented from doing so. The reason is that schools are supposed to be secular. In France they even prevent people from waering crosses.

It's ok with Burka but not Hijab,at least Hijab is the minimum Islamic style and they shouldn't prevent it at schools,Also there is no comparable between Hijab and cross,Cross is a symbol of intolerance and hatred but Hijab is a symbol of Chastity.

How so? If we look at societies and general corruption we see that islamic countries do not do very well. The Saudi Government is a well known corrupt government. Most of the power of the country is held by only 7% of the population. They have one of the most heavily censored media in the world, ranking along North Korea. See list:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/go...ent-corruption
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:In...blackholes.svg

Please...if you're going to flame on the damn $hit governers then this is not what we are talking about,We are talking about the moral corruption.
About the governments,I agree with you 1000,000,000 times,They should be killed to the last one with no mercy.

I call BS. Maybe in Saudi, but not in the UK or most of Europe. Myabe we should ask the female members of the forum.

I suggert you to take a look at the link above,or here you are :
http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ad361896/anne/cease/rapestatisticspage.html

Well that is a coment on your culture, which really needs to change. It is the 21st century, not the 15th.

Let me tell you something,If the european countries were in a dark ages in the 15th century then the Islamic world was in the golden ages,you seem like you don't know anything about the International Islamic state ( Ottoman Empire ) ?
The Islamic countries were better than this 21th century because it's the west fault the Islamic countries are in dark ages now especially Arab countries.

That needs to change. No wonder women feel proud to wear the veil when there is pressure in society like that. They are progammed to like it, same way you are programmed to condone it. Not your fault. Those in charge use it to keep in power. I can assure you that the Saudi Royal family have different views on these subjects. Thye jsut don't let the poeple know, and when you control the media it is quite easy for the poeple not to know. That is why they censor the internet so much because the truth is on it.

Well,This is our culture and no need to change it at all.
And it's not the Royal family,it's a cultural matter and people here use the internet as you use it expecting the sex websites since we don't get any good from them.

That is why they censor the internet so much because the truth is on it.

what turth ? policy turth ?

She might not want to marry you for being such a person. A woman is equal to you in intelligence, not some inferior being, and in the UK she has that choice and can be very vocal about it.

She already has the choice to marry to me or not,right ?

Yes, 200 years ago. We grew up.

cogratulations,But i think the west made a mistake in this part.

 

[Hezam]

people change and forget the rules of Islam as soon as they go into another country.. Because in deep down, they don't like it.

Only few people doesn't mean all Muslims are same !!

fear of losing their power over people...

Yes,those dogs politicians destroyed the Arab countries espectially Egypt and KSA.

 

[Haruspex]

It's ok with Burka but not Hijab,at least Hijab is the minimum Islamic style and they shouldn't prevent it at schools,Also there is no comparable between Hijab and cross,Cross is a symbol of intolerance and hatred but Hijab is a symbol of Chastity.

The cross is a religious symbol and accessory not unlike the hijab or the burka. While I can't seem to understand how the cross is a symbol of intolerance and hatred, I would say it does not matter. From a secular viewpoint, they are nothing more than religious symbols.

Let me tell you something,If the european countries were in a dark ages in the 15th century then the Islamic world was in the golden ages,you seem like you don't know anything about the International Islamic state ( Ottoman Empire ) ?

Yes, and the west took from the east the knowledge it had to offer and gradually we did rid ourselves of, at least, some of the stupid **** we had back then. Now it is your turn to act and purge the Middle East of the unenlightened nonsense we promoted in the mediaeval era.

The Islamic countries were better than this 21th century because it's the west fault the Islamic countries are in dark ages now especially Arab countries.

The Middle East is to blame, too, for what happened. It appears that the west had been made the recipient of undue blame. Certainly, the west is blameworthy as regards certain matters, but the societies' shift to extreme conservatism is something that we are not responsible for. It is possible to keep a sane mind in face of great adversities.

Well,This is our culture and no need to change it at all.

You blame us and at the same time maintain that what had happened should not be reversed.

And it's not the Royal family,it's a cultural matter and people here use the internet as you use it expecting the sex websites since we don't get any good from them.

You're telling me that in countries where you can't even make out the contour of women's t*ts underneath the 'visually protective' clothing, young males are not dying for a wank to some good old pr0n? Come on.

cogratulations,But i think the west made a mistake in this part.

Yeah, we should have done that like a thousand years earlier.

 

[Nuala]

Hijab is a symbol of Chastity.

A chastity belt is a symbol of chastity too, but we did away with that awhile ago.

The Islamic countries were better than this 21th century because it's the west fault the Islamic countries are in dark ages now especially Arab countries.

You can't blame Western countries because Arabic leaders as a whole have failed to give their people a better standard of living.

Hezam, would you hit your wife if she refused to wear her veil?

 

[Mycernius]

No,this goes on all people,see for example the U.S has the world's highest rape rate of the countries:

Nope, that is South Africa. The US makes No.9
Countries Compared by Crime > Rapes > Per capita. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

* The United States has the world's highest rape rate of the countries that publish such statistics. It's 4 times higher than Germany, 13 times higher than England, and 20 times higher than Japan.

Publish such stats and reality are two different things, as shown by the above link. Rapesd case for islamic countries are difficult to find. The link I give only gives the rate for Saudi and Yemen. Other middle east countries are unknown.

* 1 in 7 women will be raped by her husband.

Yes, because rape in marriage in the US and other western countries is a crime. It isn't a crime in Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. That somewhat skews your claim that rape uis more prevalent in islamic countries.

* Only 16% of rapes are ever reported to the police.

I wonder how may are reported to the police in Islamic countries, countries that are well known for treating women as second class citizens.

No,But the veiled protect women and it's very clear that the united states has the worst rate.

Just shown that to be incorrect.

About japan,Japanese people are more modest than Americans (not mean to offend).

But they are not veiled, which means there is more to this than female modesty.

It's ok with Burka but not Hijab,at least Hijab is the minimum Islamic style and they shouldn't prevent it at schools,Also there is no comparable between Hijab and cross,Cross is a symbol of intolerance and hatred but Hijab is a symbol of Chastity.

Missed the point. The hijab is also a sign that you are a muslim. I am not going anywhere with the cross and religious iconography, that is not part of this thread.

Please...if you're going to flame on the damn $hit governers then this is not what we are talking about,We are talking about the moral corruption.

You live in a theocracy. Your government is supposed to be the moral guardians of your country.

I suggert you to take a look at the link above,or here you are :
http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ad361896/anne/cease/rapestatisticspage.html

Already shown that to be false.

Let me tell you something,If the european countries were in a dark ages in the 15th century then the Islamic world was in the golden ages,you seem like you don't know anything about the International Islamic state ( Ottoman Empire ) ?

In the 15th century the islamic empire had collapsed into its own dark ages thanks to the mongolian invasion. the Islamic golden age was 11th/12the century. A time when people could question islam, when Mohammad could be depicted in pictorial form, when people freedom was greater than it is now.

The Islamic countries were better than this 21th century because it's the west fault the Islamic countries are in dark ages now especially Arab countries.

Here we go again, it is all our fault. You live in a country with a highly controlled media and a heavily censored net. What you read and see on TV is higly controlled. you should n't believe things you see in such countries.

Well,This is our culture and no need to change it at all.

A culture that remains static dies.

And it's not the Royal family,it's a cultural matter and people here use the internet as you use it expecting the sex websites since we don't get any good from them.

The country with the highest hits for porn is an islamic country, Pakistan.

 

[Tsuyoiko]

Can i ask you what planet are you talking about ? I live in Saudi Arabia and if the people here see a non-veiled woman they advise her and try to make her wear a veil,of course in a polite way.!

This is what happens to women who refuse to wear the veil in Iran:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/iranian-police-rape-and-murder-woman-for-bad-hijab.html

the foreign people must wear that type not the one that covers the whole body,it's not a problem,right ?

I have a BIG problem with wearing that. My best physical features are a good cleavage, nice shoulders and a slender neck, I've always shown them off and why the hell shouldn't I? I sometimes get a look or a smile from men, occasionally a wolf-whistle, but I've never been attacked, harrassed or had any negative attention from men. I don't have good thighs, but if I did you'd better believe I'd be wearing hotpants and mini-skirts

At the same time, I don't believe in restricting the wearing of hijab, or even burkha, in the UK. People should be allowed to wear what they want wherever they are, without repercussion, unless there is an immediate risk to public safety. Muslim women should be allowed to wear a burkha, Scientology protesters should be allowed to wear masks, and people should be allowed to walk about naked on Glastonbury Tor.

Sure but they must respect the majority

I really have mixed feelings on that. According to a Yougov poll, 67% of Britons support a ban on full-face veils, so do you think they should be banned here? That would be "respecting the majority". I don't think so, because it's part of our culture to respect the customs of minorities, so long as they don't pose a risk to individual or public safety. As immigration minister Damian Green says, a burkha ban would be "rather un-British".

- Mostly non-veiled women could be attacked or harassed by bad guys.

That's the bad guys' problem, not the woman's. If a man attacked a woman in this country he would be arrested, regardless of what she was wearing. Even if she was scantily clad the man would be held entirely accountable for his actions, and quite rightly.

- I can't stand seeing my wife/mother/sister/daughter un-veiled. (man feelings).

That's because you've been brought up to think that way. You're perfectly capable of being friendly and respectful to unveiled women ;-)

The United States has the world's highest rape rate of the countries that publish such statistics. It's 4 times higher than Germany, 13 times higher than England, and 20 times higher than Japan.

Aside from the fact that the US doesn't have the highest rate, how do you explain the difference between these countries? Unless you can show that Japanese women dress more modestly than Britons, who dress more modestly than Germans, who dress more modestly than Americans, it has to be about more than just how women dress. And as Mycernius has pointed out, none of these countries requires women to be veiled, so it's hard to see what that has to do with it at all.

 

[Ather]

Actually the main problem is the way Arabic people in many countries are raised. Girls are taught to obey their father and husbands no matter what, do their biddings without complaint. That, we all know, but the way men are raised have many contradiction in itself, for example ;

- Men are taught women are precious.
- Since they are precious, they must be protected.
- A man that can't protect their wife, sister, relatives etc. is dishonored.
- To be protected, they must obey men,cover themselves, not show themselves to men etc.
- Since they can't socialize or work like that, they become wortless, 2nd class citizens.
- Since they don't earn any money or have social power, they become nothing but housewives kept at home with no real freedom or life.

It may sound really delusional, insane or something like that, but it is the fact.. The teachings of Islam is corrupted by many ways and todays Muslims are mostly brainwashed.. In todays Muslim culture, in means of veil, if a woman doesn't cover herself properly, it means she "deserves" it, as she is "worthless". Because Islam nowadays is used as a source of power for men, it has to be women's fault right ?

 

[Red5]

Just been really curious about this for a long while now: Why do muslim women wear veils?

There are many different types of veils, which are also worn in different ways. But why do muslim women wear veils?
Is it a mandatory part of their religion, or something that is just socially encouraged?
Do muslim women have real choice over whether to wear or not wear a veil?
Does a muslim woman have to wear a veil to be considered a good muslim?
Why don't muslim men wear veils?
Why are there so many different types of veils- how come there is so much variation concerning veils?
Where does it say in the koran that muslim women should/have to wear veils? How did muslim women wearing veils come about?


If someone could answer these questions for me i would really appreciate it .

It's good question. I could ask you why wear a veil ?
It's related to the religion, you can say it's part from religion and part from traditions. the girl have to wear a black veil but according to the modern age the wear it in different ways and different colors. The young girl wear the veil from her teen age, the veil consider one of the most important part to save and beautify the girl.

Does a muslim woman have to wear a veil to be considered a good muslim?

no it's according inside the girl itself, it's like clothes, it changes our out side look not inside one.

 

[adverdelex]

I have worn the veil for as long as I can remember. My parents encouraged me to feel comfortable with it ever since I was two years old and wanting to mimic my mother, even though it isn't mandatory for girls to wear the veil until they reach puberty.

 

[noyhauser]

Yes. I've perused the Koran and I've never seen any mention of veils in it. Like all moral teachers, Muhammad just enjoined women to be chaste and loyal spouses. Muhammad, like Jesus, had lots of women followers because he had far more respect for women than was usual for the time period. Centuries later, cretins came along, in Christianity and Islam, and this is where you get the general understanding that Christianity and Islam are inately misogynistic and want women to be seen and not heard.
The core beliefs of the founders were lost amid the later orthodoxy of the Christian and Islamic clerics and cultural tradition, and the founders themselves are recast as villians or scoundrels (i.e. Jesus was gay or a bigamist who was married to Mary and Martha at the same time, these being the sisters of Lazarus; Muhammad was a pedophile; ad naseum).

In addition to the references raised by others in the Koran, the wearing of veils and other "protective garments" was cited specifically in about two dozen hadiths, which were contemporary writings on Mohammed and his early followers.

 

[red flower]

Is that a big problem to others?
is covring our faces isult them?


To begin with, i live in arabic muslim country, i cover my face but my sisters dont's but no one throw acid to their faces !!!!


besides, i'm proud of my veil, it protect me from unpleasent eyes

furthermore, veil is not only is mentioned in Holy Kora'an , there are also numbers of Hadiths and sayings and stories in Sunnah (what happen in prophet Mohammad's era)


By the way, If you compared Islam's treatment of women and the treatment of other religions to her you will find out how much does Islam Appreciate women , but i think some of you do not read about that so you misjudge Islam. so do not concentrate on one side and ignore others , women in islam has full rights and every religion has it's own conditions, thats why there is heaven and hell


i tried to add URL but i couldn't because i am new here, so i recommend you go to a web site called Islamhouse and you will find more about womens rights in Islam


it's good to learn about other's religion, thats what will make you feel that they are not strange anymore and please don't listen to the media all the time, you have to live with muslim and read about islam , it is not right i judge you throught media,
it is simply NOT FAIR

 

[Shizuka142]

I believe that Muslim women wear it for different reasons...one reason is that they have to wear it, I heard a lot of cases where a woman without veil was punished...then there is a tradition...I think that some women feel it as tradition that they want to keep...and I guess there are more reasons...and lately you can see a few women in Muslim countries without veils...it depends on family, environment, country, belief...

 

[Hezam]

In the 15th century the islamic empire had collapsed into its own dark ages thanks to the mongolian invasion. the Islamic golden age was 11th/12the century. A time when people could question islam, when Mohammad could be depicted in pictorial form, when people freedom was greater than it is now.

Lol,The Mongols destroyed thousands of books in Baghdad and killed over one million people,The golden ages started in Umayyad age.
Where did you get this wrong info ?

House of Wisdom :
House of Wisdom - Wikipedia

scroll down to ( Destruction ):

Along with all other libraries in Baghdad, the House of Wisdom was destroyed during the Mongol invasion of Baghdad in 1258. It was said that the waters of the Tigris ran black for six months with ink from the enormous quantities of books flung into the river.

 

[mohamed]

the women who wearing the veils , they love god
you will ask
how ????
it's like when some one us his father tell him to do someting if he do that mean he love him
if he does not
that mean he don't love him or respct him
that what muslims believe .
so when god said on the quran in
surat Al-E-imran
(30) Say, (O Muhammad, to mankind): If ye love Allah, follow me; Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (31)
so who love god he should do
and following the Prophet Muhammad that means (al-sona)
(al-sona) is do every thing Prophet Muhammad say or did ( no more even if you can )
surat Al-ahzab
O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful. (59)
so now god said and muhammad said too
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Why don't muslim men wear veils?
the beauty of a woman are in her hair and her body, and the men are quick in sense and admiration and more than women , if the man seen a beautiful woman with tight clothing , that could lead to a rape if he was bad man , so surat al-ahzab can solve this problem , difficult for women to admire hair or body of a man because men rarely walking and wearing tight cloths or revealing parts of his body so it's hard to find woman raped a man and as Prophet Muhammad said God have mercy for us, more than a mother for her infant .
god said ,and they love him
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and about the correct veil in the quran
surat Al-Noor
(30) And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigour, or children who know naught of women's nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment.
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I hope that my answer be satisfactory

 

[Hezam]

Hezam, would you hit your wife if she refused to wear her veil?

Yes like this :

 

[Mycernius]

My estimation of you has just gone down. No man has any right to beat a woman. It is digusting and it is a form of bullying. Any man doing so it a coward and pathetic excuse for a human being.

the women who wearing the veils , they love god

That is equlivalent as saying women love Edward out of Twilight. Both fictional characters.
Quoting the Quran on the existance of god and what it wants is a type of circular reasoning.

 

[Hezam]

No man has any right to beat a woman.

hmmm...this is not realistic,I can see why western women have the right to beat men even in their balls.

 

[Mycernius]

Okay, Hezam when is it right for a man, who is usually physically stronger than a woman, to beat her? When is it right to beat your wife because she won't obey you? I have been bought up in a society that has a little more respect for women than to beat them because they won't do what you want them to do. That is called oppression.

 

[Shizuka142]

I just watched the video...and I am against even symbolic beating...I don't know...it is...low.

 

[red flower]

I am a woman in Muslim society, I do not see in this law but it reflects the wisdom and beauty of this religion which knows that man has feelings of anger and love and we are exposed to the circumstances force us to confront a variety of methods, the best methods are those that make us act in a way that terminates the end of the good at the same time empty feelings that need to go out


Islam came to addressing all human minds
No one can convince me that the human non-Muslim can not and doesn't beat his wife
Anger is going on all people of Muslim and non-Muslim

Islam is at least making a law to impose on the human spectrum if he wants to beat his wife here an elegant way to empty his anger
while some other society developed a terrible beatings from the husband to his wife and a friend of his girlfriend, there is no law requiring him if he wants to


non muslims has no right to critize Islam ruls, otherwise muslim has right to ask them, why women has no right to Inherit from her parents after death !
and i wish some of you read about how women was treated in the past in your society


if a man beat me cruely for a silly reason i can go to the court and they can put him in a jail if he did it again, and Islamic law agree on that


Man has no right to slave woman, but he has right to be the one who is in charge (unlike others being equal in everything insults men's manhood), he spends money on her, he buy the house for her, he is the one who is responsible to take care of her for the rest of the life, she can stay at home as princess, and even if she is working, her husband still the one who should spend money on her, her salary totally for her

 

[bruno]

non muslims has no right to critize Islam ruls,

...but muslims do !
Political Scientist Hamed Abdel-Samad: 'Islam Is Like a Drug'

 

[red flower]

Being a Muslim does not necessarily mean you know everything about Islam

 

[Hezam]

Being a Muslim does not necessarily mean you know everything about Islam

Unless he/she take the information from a trusted sources. ^^

 

[mohamed]

i think we have answered good answers about the questions .

 

[red flower]

Unless he/she take the information from a trusted sources. ^^

yes exactly ,,,