Why do japanese learn English so quickly?

Let me live in Japan for a year or two tops, i will have got the language down to near native.

Put me in a classroom, with fellow english speakers and enforcing a barely recognised no english rule and i will assure you i will take the better part of my life to get it down.

Learning a language needs motivation and immersion.
 
nurizeko said:
Let me live in Japan for a year or two tops, i will have got the language down to near native.

Thanks for giving me a good chuckle to start the day.
 
gaijinalways said:
My apologies for being slightly picky, but even though I think your English is quite good, I don't think I would rate it in the native category. The two errors displayed above I caught just skimming your post.

These are things that happen when you use several languages on a daily basis. I now use English, French and Japanese everyday, but my brain can only be switched to one language at a time, so I often encountered problems of translations, even in French (actually, even more than English recently, as I haven't really spoken it for many years). 1 hour ago again, I wanted to say that something had "halved" in 5 years in French, but there is no verb "to half" in French, so I stopped 5 seconds in the middle of my sentence to think about a translation, then when I realised there wasn't any, I reformulated my sentence. Likewise, I found out many words in French that gave me a hard time to translate into English (see my regularily updated list). I used to have much less problems when I was living in England, speaking only English, or before that in Belgium speaking only French. All this to say that I experience the same "unnatural expressions" problem in both French and English. It really depends on the topic...
 
They don't really learn fast. That is due to many factors. Like America (which also has a problem with learning languages) Japan is an isolated country atleast compared to the European nations. Another part is the difference of phonetics. Japanese people can read and write pretty well even during the high school years. Many of them, however, have horrible pronounciations. Japanese has pretty simple sounds. English is just an abosolute puzzle to them when it comes to speaking. They don't have the open personality to speak out loud and they don't have a lot of interaction with english speakers.
 
One of the main reasons some do commit to studying it is for the University entrance exams to get into a good University. But of course, as mentioned, just grammar and vocabulary is highly emphasized, as that's what's on the entrance exams also. Afterwards, the English knowledge of most just goes straight down the drain since it's not needed anymore.

Keiichi
 
you are totally wrong

Japanese People Have Awful Accent Even Not They Can Speak English As A Normal Way As Normal People Do...
 
Japanese people can read and write pretty well even during the high school years.
I think you are going to have to clarify that one, or you need to take a look at my HS and university writing class papers.

Many of them, however, have horrible pronounciations.[sic]
I would change that to "most".
 
I think you are going to have to clarify that one, or you need to take a look at my HS and university writing class papers.

I think that their English levels are better than I.
Because my English language skill has hardly advanced since high school days. 😌
 
Japanese People Have Awful Accent Even Not They Can Speak English As A Normal Way As Normal People Do...

I have no idea why your attacking the Japanese accent. I dont think anyone finds any kind of second language particularly easy to speak at native fluency. Even if they do speak with a Japanese accent what is exactly wrong with that?

Even more of a question is how a thread from 2006 got ressurrected lol.
 
Good english learning needs good and motivated teachers !
The native english teachers in general are neither skilled
nor motivated ! Just have fun in Japan !☝
 
Any manner of learning requires motivation from the one learning.
If someone wants to learn something no matter what, he will, and in case he won't, a good teacher won't be able to help either.
Learning for a piece of paper requires motivation to acquire a piece of paper, and thats all there is to it.
Its the same here in Hungary, people don't want to speak languages, they want to acquire papers.
 
I started learning english without the guidance of any teacher when I was 14and it wasn't the poor classes we had that helped me acquire vocabulary. I only started having good teacher 5 years ago, which in turn helped me to improve quite a bit.
 
Caster51 said:
I think that their English levels are better than I.
Because my English language skill has hardly advanced since high school days.
I think you underestimate yourself Caster. At least you ARE trying and making an effort and using what you have learned. You are to be commended for that. It is not easy for someone to participate in a foreign language forum and you seem to be doing quite well. Therefore, IMO you are ahead of your peers or younger people as they would be too shy to even attempt to participate in a forum like this even if they knew more than you do.

Gisela said:
Japanese people can read and write pretty well even during the high school years.
Maybe they can read, but they sure cannot write without the aid of a test or something related to what they momorized and I have to agree with Glenski as I also have experienced it first hand. It is rare to find a decent written paper or short essay from a high school or even a college student unless they are hellbent on learning the language and just not going through the rote motions.
 
Maybe they can read, but they sure cannot write without the aid of a test or something related to what they momorized and I have to agree with Glenski as I also have experienced it first hand. It is rare to find a decent written paper or short essay from a high school or even a college student unless they are hellbent on learning the language and just not going through the rote motions.
Taken out-of-context, this phrase could easily apply to American college students.

Good writing is hard to find nowadays. Teachers are trying to make kids write like cheap Time or Newsweek journalists. All my foreign students' essays read in this monotonous, formulaic style, and it drives me insane. The grammar mistakes that go hand-in-hand with learning English, I can cope with. But the standard 5-paragraph pattern, the obligatory "hook" at the beginning, these things are mind-numbing. I try to suggest my students read good essayists, and have been trying to find some skilled writers that they can emulate without being too challenged.

Teachers are part of the problem, and I'm not just speaking about the guys/gals doing the work in Japan. I'm also talking about the people who get MAs in TESOL at my university--they are indoctrinated with a variety of teaching methods that are somewhat contradictory. A linguistics grad student and friend of mine can't help but shudder when he hears about their language acquisition methods. Furthermore, since their TESOL certifications are given through a branch of the university Education Department, they are subjected to the standard Educratese brainwashing that all teachers have to go through. It isn't the teachers themselves, but how they have been trained, that is part of the problem. (But that isn't necessarily talking about the teachers in Japan.)

Finally, as Derfel said, the students need to be motivated. And believe me, motivation can go a long way. I've taught myself how to read Latin and French without any classes, and I'm actually quite good at it. However, because I have never practiced conversation (at least, not since high school), I cannot understand French at all when it is spoken, nor can I write in it. Some things, you simply need the interaction to acquire. You cannot learn a language solely from a book. Dead languages, that's fine, but to actually learn a tongue but not be able to speak it kind of defeats one of the reasons to learn in the first place. Motivation and practice are both required.
 
I recently did an IELTS test, and it was awesome. Basically, those people don't give a damn about one's grammar knowledge and whatnot.
It was all about vocabulary, and I mean jargon and such included, and understanding what the hell's written there. Oh yeah, and spelling, they said they're very strict about it, though I don't know if they only accept British spelling or not.
Anyhow, it was all about practical stuff, completely free of formulas and crap.
I didn't use a workbook or anything to prepare for it, which clearly proves that its completely about the practical stuff, and not exclusively taught "supergrammar".
People should adapt their methods imo.
 
I'm not sure but I think that's because of Second World War. Japan has been conquered by Americans and some military men married Japanese women and Japan became a bilingual country. I don't know if that's true but that's what my father told me.

Anyway, I suppose they have a great education system because Japaneses are really intelligent. Something's sure, the Japanese education system cannot be worst than Quebecer's one.
 
I'm not sure but I think that's because of Second World War. Japan has been conquered by Americans and some military men married Japanese women and Japan became a bilingual country. I don't know if that's true but that's what my father told me.
Anyway, I suppose they have a great education system because Japaneses are really intelligent. Something's sure, the Japanese education system cannot be worst than Quebecer's one.

Japan became a bilingual country--> are you kidding?

great education system--> ??? But I shouldn't be so harsh, all non-scandanavian (and I am sure even a lot of schools there) school systems have their problems.

Japanese are really intelligent--> *sigh*


I don't mean this as a knock against Japan, since there are positives about the school system, an overall high level of education, and people here are as smart as people anywhere else (though you may want to drop the stereotype that they are smartER), but the English level in Japan is very very low.

An English language site like this will not attract your 'typical' Japanese (in terms of English ability).
 
Is it possible to live in Tokyo without learning Japanese? I mean, without help of any japanese speaker.
 
Is it possible to live in Tokyo without learning Japanese? I mean, without help of any japanese speaker.

Are you asking this question rhetorically?
Yes there is a very large concentration of English speakers and English signage in Tokyo, but having that in one city does not make Japan a bilingual country.
 
I understand. Anyway, everybody is bilingual in Montreal too and it doesn't mean that Saguenéens are also bilingual. I think that all big cities around the world are a littie bit bilingual.
 
I am a little surprize that Glenski san would answer a poster who has not been on line since 2006, but, then again, that is the fun and free-for-all of which a discussion board can sometimes offer...hee, hee, hee...(of course the bumper, beblues, is up to something...)

We all know, so there should be no contest. Some Japanese people learn English quickly, some don't. Why do those who learn quickly, learn quickly? That answer lies in the brain states of those people, far more than not. To discuss all the elements that would make up such a brain state, would be beyond the scope of this particular thread, however, so . . .

Having a good coach, is of course a big booster for the learning process, but having a mind to learn is the fertile, nutrient rich soil in which learning takes root, pulls in the nutrients, and multiplies itself. You could have the best teacher in the world, so to speak, and get no results from the brain that cannot do the learning or will not do the learning.

(and I thought this thead would again go back to its resting grounds after beblues. . . slaps myself in the slap with a wake up call. . . )
 
Is it possible to live in Tokyo without learning Japanese? I mean, without help of any japanese speaker.

Man, that would be really tough. Knowing a little bit helped me a lot when I visited, but actually living there would be a different story.
 
It's a good new. Japanese people are still not completely americanised.
 
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