Why China is so irritated with Japanese, but they are such a coward to Westerners???

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Dear All,

China hatred with Japanese, was said due to Japan invaded China twice at 1894 and 1931.

However the one that I don't understand is, China had experienced the same problems since long before, with the Westerners, such as British, France, Russia, Mongolia, Turkish, etc.

Even China experienced the worst problems with Opium war, etc etc, with Europeans.

What do u think about it? why china is so scared and even not dare to blame on Westerners, however they are so annoying to Japanese?
Do u think they are such coward? do u think they are only envious, because Japan with much smaller population, and much less natural resources, could be stronger first, in terms of economics, politics, and technologies?

Actually, up to now, I even don't understand how come the Manchus with those small population might have defeated long time ago, while their population was much more than them?

What do u think about it?

Thank u very much

🙂
 
So... your idea of a "serious topic" is to post a laundry list of a huge number of historical events and sensitive issues that you admittedly have no understanding of, then jump to a condemning conclusion based upon this lack of understanding?

Why don't you spend some time studying a bit, then come back here. Till then kid, this is just a sad attempt at trolling even if it wasn't intentional.
 
I honestly have no idea what the point of the OP is. Grammar and syntax are so tortured that I just can't follow any of it.
 
So... your idea of a "serious topic" is to post a laundry list of a huge number of historical events and sensitive issues that you admittedly have no understanding of, then jump to a condemning conclusion based upon this lack of understanding?
Why don't you spend some time studying a bit, then come back here. Till then kid, this is just a sad attempt at trolling even if it wasn't intentional.

Then if u understand, just show me whats ur understanding?
I don't need to study more, I am a genious Mensa testing.
Poor kid, telling the senior as the kid, and u should not accuse without evidence.... if u are saying about a trolling attempt, give the evidence??



:D
 
I honestly have no idea what the point of the OP is. Grammar and syntax are so tortured that I just can't follow any of it.

Yeah I know, even Americans from Indiana, if they are not educated like skinheads, they just need to say like this to torture the others... torturers through words...

It is the same like the one happened in Australia, if the Neo Nazi people/ skin head people would like to bully the gaijin, however they are scared for the punishment, they will say pretending --> "Sorry I don't understand.. sorry I don't understand your English..."
Always from every part of the world, there is a same type of people like this... even an American came to Australia.. being bullied in the computer store, by being treated that way --> "Pardon, you are looking for a notebook (a computer)?? sorry our store sells computers and we don't sell a book (notebook)..."
What a man...... sometimes I am confused, whether the Japan, should be clean from these type of people... throlling everywhere... by pretending they do not understand.. hahaha... typical skinhead groups...

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Orca... is English not your first language? I'm having a hard time understanding what you write.
 
my opinion is...that in fact Japan for China is "closer" they do dare to critisize. I think they are not afraid of Japan, maybe with a little hope they will surpass it in the near future. But to stand against the Western countries...that's a bit too much for China alone.
 
Dear All,
China hatred with Japanese, was said due to Japan invaded China twice at 1894 and 1931.
However the one that I don't understand is, China had experienced the same problems since long before, with the Westerners, such as British, France, Russia, Mongolia, Turkish, etc.
Even China experienced the worst problems with Opium war, etc etc, with Europeans.
What do u think about it? why china is so scared and even not dare to blame on Westerners, however they are so annoying to Japanese?
Do u think they are such coward? do u think they are only envious, because Japan with much smaller population, and much less natural resources, could be stronger first, in terms of economics, politics, and technologies?
Actually, up to now, I even don't understand how come the Manchus with those small population might have defeated long time ago, while their population was much more than them?
What do u think about it?
Thank u very much
🙂

I have a headache for some reason. :(
 
Orca... is English not your first language? I'm having a hard time understanding what you write.

That's what I said. Be careful he doesn't call YOU a skin head.

My theory is that he's really Chinese, and PRETENDING to be an Aussie. Lord knows there's no way he is a native English speaker, whatever he is.
 
Congratulations to the newest graduates:
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Dear All,
China hatred with Japanese, was said due to Japan invaded China twice at 1894 and 1931.
However the one that I don't understand is, China had experienced the same problems since long before, with the Westerners, such as British, France, Russia, Mongolia, Turkish, etc.
Even China experienced the worst problems with Opium war, etc etc, with Europeans.
What do u think about it? why china is so scared and even not dare to blame on Westerners, however they are so annoying to Japanese?
Do u think they are such coward? do u think they are only envious, because Japan with much smaller population, and much less natural resources, could be stronger first, in terms of economics, politics, and technologies?
Actually, up to now, I even don't understand how come the Manchus with those small population might have defeated long time ago, while their population was much more than them?
What do u think about it?
Thank u very much
🙂

Because Japanese people are the same asian race, and Japan during confucian times was considered lesser than China, and china was like greece of the east
 
"Why China is so irritated with Japanese, but they are such a coward to Westerners???"

Possible answers:

1. Japan's imperialism in China is more recent than Europeans', thus more likely to trigger hatred.

2. Most modern Japanese are more pacifist than most Westerners, therefore are safer targets for hatred.

3. You're assuming that others are as preoccupied with hatred as you are.

Take your pick. Perhaps they're all true, more or less.
 
Then if u understand, just show me whats ur understanding?
I don't need to study more, I am a genious Mensa testing.
Poor kid, telling the senior as the kid, and u should not accuse without evidence.... if u are saying about a trolling attempt, give the evidence??
:D

Again, go educate yourself a bit, read some books on the subject, then come back and ask me questions.

I'm not your personal tutor and I won't walk you through things because you are too lazy to spend time efficiently and open a book, kid.

P.S. Genious isn't a word.
 
As a Chinese, I think that guy is a waste of time. For serious questions and discussions, this is not the place, and he's one to ignore.
 
As a Chinese, I think that guy is a waste of time. For serious questions and discussions, this is not the place, and he's one to ignore.

Actually this isnt true. It matters though how the questions or comments are posted. Bring up something in a manner that any and all can understand and people will respond in like. Dont underestimate the readers and followers of Jref.
 
Actually this isnt true. It matters though how the questions or comments are posted. Bring up something in a manner that any and all can understand and people will respond in like. Dont underestimate the readers and followers of Jref.

Thanks for the heads-up. Actually I wasn't underestimating the intellect of the people here( I'm new so I have yet to judge; still evaluating and making friends), I just thought you guys were accusing this poster of posting deliberate flamebaits. I'm new here however, so probably tons that I need to learn. Regardless, thanks for the advice.
 
Dear All,
China hatred with Japanese, was said due to Japan invaded China twice at 1894 and 1931.
However the one that I don't understand is, China had experienced the same problems since long before, with the Westerners, such as British, France, Russia, Mongolia, Turkish, etc.
Even China experienced the worst problems with Opium war, etc etc, with Europeans.
What do u think about it? why china is so scared and even not dare to blame on Westerners, however they are so annoying to Japanese?
Do u think they are such coward? do u think they are only envious, because Japan with much smaller population, and much less natural resources, could be stronger first, in terms of economics, politics, and technologies?
Actually, up to now, I even don't understand how come the Manchus with those small population might have defeated long time ago, while their population was much more than them?
What do u think about it?
Thank u very much
🙂

Let me try and rewrite this so everyone can understand.

1. China's hatred with Japan stems from the invasions of 1894 and 1931.

2. However I do not understand the reasoning for the hatred of Japan, when other countries like England, France, Russia, Mongolia, and Turkey invaded China before that, yet there is little, if any, lingering hatred for those countries.

3. China had greater problems with the Europeans particularly during the years of the Opium Wars, yet still the Chinese have a deeper seated hatred of Japan in comparison.

4. Does China seem "scared" or "afraid" to, to confront western nations and yet has no such reservations about criticizing or confronting Japan or the Japanese government? Do you think that China(ese) are cowards or are acting cowardly with regards to it's actions and dealings with western nations vs Japan?

5. Do you feel or believe that the root of China(ese) hatred for Japan comes from a jealous dislike and disbelief that Japan as a country with no natural resources, a smaller population, and smaller land mass, was able to grow into a stronger international power technologically, economically and politically?

6. (Sorry but the last section has me baffled)
 
Well I "think" I'll be in the best position to answer these questions.
Skipping 1 and 6, I'll start with 2.

2,3 I'd say this: In psychology, we have this thing called the recency effect, where the most recent effects is the most fresh in the mind. Japan's damages were the longest, with the duration of the invasion and the vivid memories of Unit 731 and Nanjing, therefore the anger still lingers. The earlier damages made the wound very painful already, but Japan's damages were the latest, and thus sting the most. In addition, it's the attitudes by the Japanese government which became the highlight and kept the pain lingering, otherwise it should slowly dissipate with time, as with the hatred towards others. I also talked about this in the Rape of Nanjing thread.

4. To me as an IR minor and knowing the past, the worst wasn't Japan, and I NEVER considered Japan as enemy or even a true threat. Not only not a threat, I see Japan as our most important neighbor, a cultural brother, and an ally to win back. I see the West as the dangerous one, because Asian cultures are slowly being culturally genocided and we are getting lost as we attempted to follow the West's footstep without knowing what's right for us. Japan already lost its national direction in the past, but luckily the culture is very intact, thanks to Japan's sense of national identity and cultural preservation. However modern lifestyle of materialism, consumerism, greed, etc, can eventually corrode the society for the worse.

I think MOST people in Asia are too unaware of the impact the West have in our cultures and societies. We Asians seek modernization, but we can't distinguish the fine line between modernization and Westernization, which is very problematic. Japan made this mistake in the past, which also led to the Imperialism. Western Imperialism was something origin to the West, not Japan, hence this is what I speak of when I say we can easily sidetrack, walk wrong, and screw ourselves over. Japan, in a sense, were big brother to China when it comes to modern IR, and we've seen how the West behaved towards Japan despite how much Japan wants to be treated as equal. The West never treated Japan as equal back then, and it's pathetic if we Chinese thought we can just wait for others to agree with us and let us in; the West are very hypocritical and only point faults in others and not themselves. Also having them led the world for 200 years, it's about our time to lead as we slowly come to same height. For the same information, it's better for Japan to stop associating with the West so much because "being joining that group of friends",aka bandwagoning in IR jargon, does Japan no good and harms Japan more in the long run. An example will be deployment to Iraq, which led to Japanese nationals dying in Iraq, which could've been prevented. Regardless, I believe Japan will not walk that road again, and was only lost that time, so it was an exception. Other than that, Japan and China respected each other's cultures and learned from each other, gotten along fine these thousands of years, so I believe neither one will threaten one another, nor invade each other, and if we can get through the small differences now, it will be a better tomorrow, and we can be great friends, neighbors, allies, and even brothers. I seriously don't understand why we grew up alongside each other all these centuries without problem and now we need to be sworn enemies. It doesn't make sense, I refuse to believe in it, and I'm a firm believer of Asian integration. I also think it's about bloody ******* time we Asians stop fighting amongst ourselves and cooperate and work together. We are relatives, and that we are armed with modernized societies, technology, manpower, and knowledge, we should actually advance agendas for the protection and the better welfare of our people, not destroy ourselves and each others'. C,J,K can be the leaders to the future, not always letting the West walk on top.

4. This is a lie. If you look at how much China is being accused of being "assertive", this is a vivid example of the West disagreeing with China for not submitting to their wills. China does not speak against them because there's no need to; actions prove the best. Plus, if they aren't intervening with our affairs, there's no reason to talk about them. Another thing is China is mostly focused in internal issues and prefers non-interventionist foreign policies, so it doesn't need to go telling others what to do. To intervene is also not how Asian cultures are.

I really suggest people to learn more about China; it's helpful.
5. crap.

6. I think he's referring to how the Manchus invaded Ming and took over. One must understand that Ming was in full decline by 1600, and another thing was that one of the commanders, WuSangGui, was a traitor and opened the gates for the Manchus to enter. Also the invasion didn't happen in one day, but over a lengthy time span.

Sorry for the incoherence and poor grammar. I'm already very tired after responding to so many posts with all long ones. I want to say everything I've said were things I've studied, researched from many areas, and therefore not some rhetoric without backed claims. I do have good faith in Japan and see the Japanese people as my friends, and want to see the best for all of us.
 
?? OK ?? I give up ??

Government propaganda :
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What does a blurry dog jumping contest picture have to do with propaganda and China/Japan ?? I must be missing something??

Uncle Frank

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Just my feeling, sorry if that sound racist.

I think the reason because in the past China think it's the center of the world (China mean: the center nation). Of course in the past they only know "yellow-skin" people, so it's very difficult to accept other neighbor to invade. So the general thinking of Chinese is that their nation is biggest (literally true) and greatest and somehow has right to mess up with the smaller neighbors.

If that's true, I am just hoping the the way of think will change gradually.
 
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