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US House urges Japan to apologize over comfort women


Do you know no Japanese claim their asset in China, Taiwan, Korea or wherever?
Look at the frustration in Poland. Did German pay reparation to Dutch or Polish people? Tell me how much your Dutch govenement got money from Germany and Japan, and tell me how much reparation your govenment paid to Indonesia.

They just asked Japanese women for the brothel.
 
To Obeika:
The atomic bombings can't compare with other offenses.
They are special, the crimes to the whole humankind, and a Christian may say ツ"the sin against God,ツ" and still US government and you justify them.



Hmm,

Would the holocaust against Jews, Slavs, Homosexuals, Roma, etc... by the Nazis, would that be comparable to the atomic bombings?

Both are crimes against humanity.

Rape as a tool of war was FINALLY acknowledged as a war crime and/or crime against humanity just a few years ago. Dang, we've not come very far, have we?

I believe they are comparable.

Both are war crimes.
 
It was just the military brothel and nobody denys the confort woman.
And you should also face the fact that the great political balance showed just 10 members were there.


This was just a press conference of something like that.
As noted else where, there were some 160 or so congress members who
voted for it.

This page below lists, if not all the voters, certainly those that co-sponsored it to better ensure it got a vote on the floor of the congress
Urge Your Representative to Support HRes 121
 
What did your country did to Indonesian people?

The simple answer is they denied them their right of self-determination.

Like a dictatorship, with empire there is no such thing as a benevolent one.
History has shown time and again that there is no honor in empire.
Unfortunately we have some countries today trying to repeat this.



3 in a row, sorry about that
 

well, we dont see german chancellor say "THere is no evidence of Germans killing Polish citizens", neither do we hear the dutch politicians say "the Dutch have done nothing wrong in Indonesia." For what i know, most europeans have accepted and apologized for their mistakes, and they do not run a ad on american papers saying "Dutch and Germans are not responsible for war crimes."

Jews dont really care about monetary compensations. They're already rich anyway. But they like the fact that in German history books, it talks about the war atrocities and they are condemned. Nazisim is banned in Germany, and the nazy symbol is illegal as well.

Now compare that to japan. Abe had put pressure on NHK to not air any japanese war crime stories, revised the history books to play down the japanese role in the war crime, and they elect a semi-nazi prime minister, and a racist mayor for its capital.

THere is a reason why the neighbors of Germany likes germany and do not bring up WWII. And ther eis a reason why the neighbors of japan keep bringing up the issue.

Because japanese apology is in words only and not in action. That is not a true apology.


first of all, the fact that america used the Abomb is criticzable... by everyone BUT the japanese and its politicianswho dont accept their wrong doings.

What crime america has done to japan, japan has done to its neighbors... and only more gruesomely.
 
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Has anyone actually read the House Resolution itself?

Here is a portion of the bill that was passed taken from the following link;
House Resolution 121

Food for thought.
 
Obeika,

Thank you for sending us a portion of the House Resolution 121.

This is really good, I have forwarded it to many friends here in Holland and overseas. It should have been in our Dutch papers from the moment it was published in America, but I haven't seen it.
 

Here is the entire resolution from the link above, unfortunately the link expired and one would have to search the site to find it so I copied the bill here in it's entirety.

 
Obeika, it was just by voice vote. And only 10 members were there.

junjunforever, just read the theads by Elizabeth van Kampen. She still feels nostalgia for their former colony, though I am fully aware of what Japan did to the Dutch people considering the most execution rate among the Allied.
Just imagine if a Japanese would open a site "good old days in Korea".

Elizabeth van Kampen, correct me if I am wrong, do you still commemorate on the former colony in your country?
 
Obeika, it was just by voice vote. And only 10 members were there.
Evidently you fail to understand the US system here, the vote passed without a roll call meaning that there were no dissenting votes, plus there were well over 150 signatories to the resolution.

Whether there were 10, 100 500 or 1 the bill passed and became a part of the official record of the US house of representatives.

You can keep on blabbing on about "only 10" but until you understand the system it matters nothing.
 

no ,I think the last invader of Korea is Japan .however,Dutch is not the last invader of Indonesia
 
OK, where did the rest 157 members go? And why was it by voice vote which doesn't keep any record who voted it.
It was nothing but the political balance, wasn't it?

I am just scared that few media covered the situation, just 10.
It is the same if you get a different poll on the US base here when you ask anti-US activists or other Japanese.

4321go, when do you think was the independence day of Indonesia?
When you think it was soon after Japan was surrendered like Indonesian people think, the last invader was not Japan.
 
Actually, if japanese person said "although i know japan did much even in east asia, i really missed the days our family was in korea/china. The people that we encountered were wonderful" there would be no problem. Although ive not read such thread, i am sure this is where her opinion is, as ive seen her ackowledge many times what the dutch did to indonesians.
 
Latest invader of Korea?

no ,I think the last invader of Korea is Japan .however,Dutch is not the last invader of Indonesia

Hmm, which country is now trying to grab the whole economy of north korea, and to rewrite the history of koguryo in its favour?


Obeika, what has motivated you to post this resolution riddled with rubbish accusations against our country? Sorry to bother you but im a newcomer
 
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Pipokun,

Not today but one of these days I will start a thread about Japan-former D.E.I- Indonesia.
For this moment I like to tell what you already know, Japan cam e to Indonesia for the OIL. It was only when the Japanese lost the war that Sukarno got his Indepence from Tokyo.
The Independence day the 17th of August 1945.

And since this thread is about COMFORT WOMEN, Japan also abused quite some Indonesian girls. Japan sent many Romushas, (Indonesians who had to work for the Japanese outside Indonesia) to Pakan Baru on the island Sumatra and to the Burma Railway. It was Sukarno to sent these poor men to hell in order to stay friends with Japan!!

The former D.E.I. was an open country, that is to say that everyone could start a business overthere. Ha ha, that is why there were so many Japanese spies in the former D.E.I.

Someother time I will tell you why love Indonesia and the Indonesians.
 

The Polish did bring up WWII at the European Summit in June didnt it? They said their vote should be increased disproportionately to their population since many Polish had been killed by the Germans in WWII.

The reason Japans neighbours keep bringing up the issue is because anti-Japan is their regimes' raison d'etre. Take a look at the history textbooks used in China and Korea for example; they are totally one-sided, of course with some truth but also with a lot of lies, and deliberately edited to nurture hatred towards Japan in many generations to come. No wonder even if they keep bringing up the issue. Another reason could be that they tend to look down upon Japan as being morally inferior and barbaristic for historical reasons, but the fact now is that that Japan is still more advanced than they are. The situation is different in Western Europe where the countries' stage of development is roughly the same.

And for apology in action, Japan concluded the basic treaty with Korea in 1965 and extended huge money to them for Japan at that time, in addition to renouncing all assets in Korea belonging to the Japanese. Unlike Germany, Japan paid the money to the state of Korea upon Korean Government's request. Has any other country extended such generosity towards former part of its own or its former colony? But the shame is that this fact was hidden by the Korean government against Korean people until recently.

And unlike Germany again, Japan paid war compensation to the countries it occupied at WWII, including Indonesia and the Philippines. Correct me if i am wrong, but I understand that Germany compensated for holocaust but not for WWII itself. You better not believe China and Korea's claims against Japan literally.
 
Obeika, what has motivated you to post this resolution riddled with rubbish accusations against our country? Sorry to bother you but im a newcomer
Strange question. This thread is about that very resolution, and it is therefore only logic that someone - in this case Obeika - gives us all an opportunity to actually read the text.
 
I have yet to find any media coverage reporting the 10 sheriff situation.
No matter how much Japanese prime ministers apologise, it is impossible for both parties, Japan and Korea, to reconcile each others, for the territorial dispute is between the two.
Japan just asks Korea to go to the Hague to solve the issuse peacefully, though Korea has tried to keep silent on the matter, "no dispute between the two. But their effort ruins in front of nationalistic people. The louder they become, the more aparent it is that the dispute is there.
If Honda and the great 10 guys were the mediator, I would find the politics great, though I still like the great political balance of the politicians, the absense of the majority.

Elizabeth van Kampen, I reply you in your thread.
Dutch East Indies - Japan- Indonesia
Edit: For Elizabeth van Kampen
 
The Polish did bring up WWII at the European Summit in June didnt it? They said their vote should be increased disproportionately to their population since many Polish had been killed by the Germans in WWII.
It is thrue that the polish PM came up with this as part of his negotiation tactics. However, it backfired because all other countries in EU and much of his own population were outraged.

In Europe, we are managing very well to live in the present. However, we are constantly on the look out for populistic and nationalistic politicians who try to stir up animosity against their neighbors. One of the keys to successful integration in EU is the fact that frank aknowledgement of wrongdooing in the past, and that most politicians have refrained from trying to exploit the posibility of gaining short term popularity points by blame games. One of the preconditions for this state of affairs have been Germanys aknowledgement of ist past wrongdooings.

In the former Yugoslavia we had an example of what happens when nationalistic politicians exploits and distorts the historical facts in order to gain support. Most europeans are by now "allergic" to propoganda. Maybe this is the reason why we are concerned when some politicians in Japan - a country most of us love - try to avoid the unpleasant truth about the past - in this connection the issue of "comfort women".
 
I know I am being politically insensitive. But, this issue which happened almost half a century ago should rest in history. I don't vote in Japan till to this day. But, if the Japanese government started talking about handing out the tax payer money for this, I would cast my first vote against it.

By the way, who cares about what US Congress does? It is known for pork-barrel special interest infested entity with an abysmal public opinion rating.
 
I know I am being politically insensitive. But, this issue which happened almost half a century ago should rest in history.
One of the reasons why this issue keeps on beeing discussed is that some japanese are trying to rewrite the history books: "Whereas some new textbooks used in Japanese schools seek to downplay the 'comfort women' tragedy and other Japanese war crimes during World War II".

If only the present leaders would demonstrate real leadership by clearly aknowledging the 'comfort women' issue, the issue could become part of the past and not the present.

By trying to deny the past, it keeps on beeing part of the present.
 
They were just the military brothel, and nobody denys it.

China
South Korea

They are not regional players anymore. I don't know which is which, but they should play a rolel like France or the UK.
Not here, but it is interesting that I see some young Koreans claim they are Italian in East Asia.
 

The truth is that China and Korea had "created" fictional histories for justification of their legitimateness.
Korea's real history was a miserable one as a tributary state of China for thousand years and then as a Japanese colony for several decades.
This fact was too humiliating for Korean people. Therefore, they had created a splendid history for curing their injured pride.
The communist regime of present China used Japanese war crimes to give legitimacy to their rule. Their modern history had been colored with heroic battles against Japanese atrocities that had been extremely exaggerated.

For both China and Korea, Japanese history books were too embarrassing because they described a true history, which was inconsistent with their forged histories.
Therefore, China and Korea have attacked Japanese history books incessantly. Japan had not retorted because she had been paralyzed for a long time with after effects of WW2.
As a result, the whole world had accepted their lie.

Needless to say, the all testimonies with ex-****** were fabricated stories urged by Japanese left, Chinese and Korean.
There are rumors the ex-****** had stocked up a big savings owing to their testimonies.
Mr. Honda, a US congress member who has led the comfort women issue, reportedly received a large sum of money from a Chinese group established for anti-Japanese movements in US.
 
Mr. Honda, a US congress member who has led the comfort women issue, reportedly received a large sum of money from a Chinese group established for anti-Japanese movements in US.[/QUOT

To Hanbei

Which Chinese group do you mean? You sound like late Mr. Stalin.
 
To Hanbei
Which Chinese group do you mean? You sound like late Mr. Stalin.
"Global Alliance for Preserving the History of WWII in Asia"
I know the URL of this group, but I couldn't post it because of the forum rule.
This is the cue: "global-alliance.net"

Why am I like late Mr. Stalin?
 
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