U.S. Forces in Japan: time to say good-bye?
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From what i see here (5 minute observation) the last 2 replies are from people in japan, verses the reply before being some one in america (assuming we all answered our profile's truthfully) and the people who replied who are from Japan are saying that they want the U.S. in there, while the person from America is saying he wants the U.S. out? I think the opinions of the 2 posters from Japan are a more accuret description of what japan wants than some one who posts from America.
I've noticed a few common things about libearls, and i don't mean any offence to them by this. I'm sure a few of them would agree. They want everyone and everything to be equal. So that the only thing different between countries and people is the certain attributes (like skin color for people or climate for countries) and everything will be happy and joyous and everyone will be of equal status except government officials.
The democrates (in america) are the ones who currently side with the liberals. They are the group that denies any support from big buisness (which media is a big buisness, so that's a flat out lie) and they seem to want to raise taxes and distrubute the money to welfare and things how they see fit. Now i know it's far from it, but it is the starting point of communism. In communism, they take all the money (in heavy taxes) then distribute it out how they feel. To appeal to the liberals, they support the minority of opinions. They mask a minority of opinions with racism, sexism, and all other kinds of "-isms" to say that it's wrong to oppose how the minority feels.
Fact is, the minority *ARE* the minority. Minority means "those who are less in numbers than others in one situation." (And no, i'm not saying that the liberals are the minority, just that they seem to stick up for them.) Therefor, we have a handfull of people who are making an excuse (thanks to the high fear of being called a racist in the United States) are the ones with more power. Heck, with that kind of attention we could bring paligamy (sp?) back. I don't want to see this happening to Japan. Fact is, the minorty are a minority, and if they don't like how a country is run, they are the ones who should be kicked out, rather than telling the mijority (sp?) to get out. I'm not a racist, i'm not a sexist, i don't hate any group of people for who they are or what they are, but i will pick on a group for what they decide.
To top it off, the liberals and democrates seem to like opinions from people in places that aren't in the place that is being judged. America shouldn't be run based on the opinions of Germany or Russia or some place like that. Only Americans know what needs to be done to improve America. Only people who live in Japan know what needs to be done to Japan to make it as good as it can be. So, if you want to argue that Japan wants the troops out, then you can if you find a mijority in japan that says so. Plus, just what Japan wants isn't going to be what happens. The U.S. has troops in Japan for the U.S.'s safety. To get them out, it must be Japan who does it. Protecting Japan may very well be part of protecting the U.S., but fact is. The U.S. is in there on it's terms, therefor it is U.S. intrest. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Because of that, no one seems to be attacking Japan. You pull out the U.S. (just like in Iraq) you'll have utter chaos. Talking the U.S. out isn't going to happen. So, if you want the U.S. out, it's *YOUR* job to get them out by other means. That means, force. So, if you want to go up to a bunch of U.S. soldiers with a pitchfork or something and start killing, you go ahead. You'll end up dead, or you can not attack them and leave the country to a place that you do like. I don't think Japan is one of those countries that won't let you leave, so yea, leaving is an option if you don't like it.
I've noticed a few common things about libearls, and i don't mean any offence to them by this. I'm sure a few of them would agree. They want everyone and everything to be equal. So that the only thing different between countries and people is the certain attributes (like skin color for people or climate for countries) and everything will be happy and joyous and everyone will be of equal status except government officials.
The democrates (in america) are the ones who currently side with the liberals. They are the group that denies any support from big buisness (which media is a big buisness, so that's a flat out lie) and they seem to want to raise taxes and distrubute the money to welfare and things how they see fit. Now i know it's far from it, but it is the starting point of communism. In communism, they take all the money (in heavy taxes) then distribute it out how they feel. To appeal to the liberals, they support the minority of opinions. They mask a minority of opinions with racism, sexism, and all other kinds of "-isms" to say that it's wrong to oppose how the minority feels.
Fact is, the minority *ARE* the minority. Minority means "those who are less in numbers than others in one situation." (And no, i'm not saying that the liberals are the minority, just that they seem to stick up for them.) Therefor, we have a handfull of people who are making an excuse (thanks to the high fear of being called a racist in the United States) are the ones with more power. Heck, with that kind of attention we could bring paligamy (sp?) back. I don't want to see this happening to Japan. Fact is, the minorty are a minority, and if they don't like how a country is run, they are the ones who should be kicked out, rather than telling the mijority (sp?) to get out. I'm not a racist, i'm not a sexist, i don't hate any group of people for who they are or what they are, but i will pick on a group for what they decide.
To top it off, the liberals and democrates seem to like opinions from people in places that aren't in the place that is being judged. America shouldn't be run based on the opinions of Germany or Russia or some place like that. Only Americans know what needs to be done to improve America. Only people who live in Japan know what needs to be done to Japan to make it as good as it can be. So, if you want to argue that Japan wants the troops out, then you can if you find a mijority in japan that says so. Plus, just what Japan wants isn't going to be what happens. The U.S. has troops in Japan for the U.S.'s safety. To get them out, it must be Japan who does it. Protecting Japan may very well be part of protecting the U.S., but fact is. The U.S. is in there on it's terms, therefor it is U.S. intrest. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Because of that, no one seems to be attacking Japan. You pull out the U.S. (just like in Iraq) you'll have utter chaos. Talking the U.S. out isn't going to happen. So, if you want the U.S. out, it's *YOUR* job to get them out by other means. That means, force. So, if you want to go up to a bunch of U.S. soldiers with a pitchfork or something and start killing, you go ahead. You'll end up dead, or you can not attack them and leave the country to a place that you do like. I don't think Japan is one of those countries that won't let you leave, so yea, leaving is an option if you don't like it.
That's one odd-couple in the world political arena :lol:
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It's funny, actually. With that show from North Korea, it shows that some one dosn't like Japan. Even if Japan can get it's Army big real quick, will they withstand the tests? Lots of people will want to check to see if they can defend themselves. If they're not really good, some one will try to attack. From what i've seen from other posts, Asia dosn't exactly like japan.
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i've heard all of asia, but those were the only 2 countries actually mentioned.
When I was in Korea last time I accidentally mixed up some yen and won at a bar (I was seeing kind a fuzzy) and the barkeep practically threw the yen back at me. I thanked her as the yen was worth a hell of a lot more than the won I had counted it as -- after she thought about it a minute she tried to get me to give her the yen ha ha ha -- yeah right!
OPTIMUS
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Americans will pull out its military forces in S. Korea and Japan? I think it's very unlikely. In my opinion, the military bases from each country is a strategic position, let's take for example the current missile test ran by the US-S. Korea joint military excercise wherein US was able to have an actual drill on how to inctercept missiles coming from Korean peninsula. At this point in time, I think it's really unlikely. 
People generally don't held ever-lasting hate for no reason.
My immediately family wasn't victimized in the 1930's-1940's,hence I have a free pass embracing Japanese culture.
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Really? Tell that to Koreans and Chinese. Many young people in those countries are taught to still hate the Japanese because of WW II even though they were not alive at the time and Japan is no where near what it was before and during WW II.ricecake said:
Younger generations are thankful they didn't live those horrible years,and they can absolutely tell it to foreigners.
There are many million living families among Chinese and Korean populations victimized by Japan Imperial Army.The American-born author Iris Chang of " Rape of Nanking " is one example I can provide,someone ethnic Chinese hated Japanese for her grandparents witnessed Japanese atrocities with close relatives and friends were some of those victims in their hometown Nanking city.She was born and raised in Sunnyvale,California which is 40 miles from where I presently live in the city of Dublin.
Honestly,average Chinese don't speak of Japan or Japanese on daily basis in real life let alone hating Japanese on personal level as many people loosely suggested in cyberspace.
No one in my extended family ever hated Japanese,we've discussed WW 2 events involved Japanese imperialism and war activities in Asia.
I've know some young Chinese families in California rented out room in their home to Japanese foreign exchange students including my neighbor.
As for young S Koreans,there is a gradual increase number of Japanese-wannabes passionately pursue East Asia brotherhood with Japanese on Koreans' long-held belief of Japanese and Koreans have shared-100%-PURE-Korean-origin whatever that means.Here you have it,Korean fanaticism and extremism
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Sukotto
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Of all the posts on Okinawa , this seemed the most neutral to post an article by a US GI who was there in the early 70s....
JPRI Occasional Paper No. 36, June 2006
A Wild Start: Okinawa in the 1970s
By David R. Crews
In 1970, when I arrived on the Island of Okinawa, I had enough cash in my pocket to buy an Asahi (Honeywell in the states) Pentax Spotmatic Camera, with one Pentax Lens, during my second trip off post. At that time, the Spotmatic was the most popular camera among professional photographers around the world.
http://www.jpri.org/publications/occasionalpapers/op36.html
JPRI Occasional Paper No. 36, June 2006
A Wild Start: Okinawa in the 1970s
By David R. Crews
In 1970, when I arrived on the Island of Okinawa, I had enough cash in my pocket to buy an Asahi (Honeywell in the states) Pentax Spotmatic Camera, with one Pentax Lens, during my second trip off post. At that time, the Spotmatic was the most popular camera among professional photographers around the world.
http://www.jpri.org/publications/occasionalpapers/op36.html
pharaoh21
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Eh....I don't think so. If China and Russia and those hostile nations surrounding America join forces together, then USA will be defeated militarily. Although China still has a long way to go in their military upgradings but the commies have man-power while Russia has always been good at missile tech.
Sukotto
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If it came to that the crazies that run the US empire might just use their nukes
rather than lose their power.
Who wants to lose the soil that he have got ,in which he flew lots of blood
I am not a dreamer. I think we Japanese have to know that this era is the US's. Just like Rome in the world histry. Japan can not act as a main actor in this era. (We may act as a supporting actor.) We don't have any choice but we obey the US. Anyway we don't have a will that leads to be isolated in the world. The US has many faults,but we have more. It is the worst that we make the space of the power. It must cause to the war.
I am not a dreamer. I think we Japanese have to know that this era is the US's. Just like Rome in the world histry. Japan can not act as a main actor in this era. (We may act as a supporting actor.) We don't have any choice but we obey the US. Anyway we don't have a will that leads to be isolated in the world. The US has many faults,but we have more. It is the worst that we make the space of the power. It must cause to the war.
Sukotto
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I disagree. All countries, peoples, & societies (as well as individuals) have faults. Some seemingly worse.
I think, if being on top is not a fault in and of itself, then certainly attempting to maintain that with force & violence or other dirty means certainly is.
Therefore, personally, and being from the states, I would say the US has possible the most faults. Even if it were that one: attempting to maintain top by force, violence, and/or other dirty means.
Maybe someday we can have equal relationships with all people/s.
I don't know how we can get their other than the means should probably equal the ends or else the ends are not worth getting to.
I don't know. I'm no angel.
Maybe even countries (the 'state') themselves are a fault?
CBT1979
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Japan spend much on military!
For those who didn't know Japan spends around 51 billion USD per year for military despite being an aggressor during WW2. Now compare how much Germany spends at the same time. It is less than the half!
Now Japan and the US are accusing China of spending so much on military.
Sorry but 40 billion USD is even less than Japan and the US spends 430-480 billion USD at the same time. Russia ranks 2nd with 100 billion USD, but it is also the biggest country in square meters and China having the biggest population with over 1.3 billion citizens.
Arms race will never end with under such circumstances and I think it is human nature to have the attitude and ambition to be superior to others.
The strong ones want to maintain strength while the weak ones want to gain.
That's nothing new and maybe we all should just relax about the military build-ups a bit
very well said!
It doesn't matter which country or people we are talking. We are all human, and whether a nation behaves defensively or offensively depends on the social circumstances like wealth, ideology etc. but the core remains the same.
We all have good and bad sides like the YingYang principle.
For those who didn't know Japan spends around 51 billion USD per year for military despite being an aggressor during WW2. Now compare how much Germany spends at the same time. It is less than the half!
Now Japan and the US are accusing China of spending so much on military.
Sorry but 40 billion USD is even less than Japan and the US spends 430-480 billion USD at the same time. Russia ranks 2nd with 100 billion USD, but it is also the biggest country in square meters and China having the biggest population with over 1.3 billion citizens.
Arms race will never end with under such circumstances and I think it is human nature to have the attitude and ambition to be superior to others.
The strong ones want to maintain strength while the weak ones want to gain.
That's nothing new and maybe we all should just relax about the military build-ups a bit
very well said!
It doesn't matter which country or people we are talking. We are all human, and whether a nation behaves defensively or offensively depends on the social circumstances like wealth, ideology etc. but the core remains the same.
We all have good and bad sides like the YingYang principle.
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Administrations come and go c but the geopolitical realities of the world remain.
If America were to withdraw from japan and the pacific and other areas of the world the vacuum would soon be filled by other powers contending for dominance . The pacific rim could become a volatile place very quickly.
Japan has had a really good deal by having America provide its security. Not only does America provide japanfs security but it maintains stability in the entire region.
One of the biggest problems with americafs war in iraq is that it has undermined long term stability in the middle east and damaged the ability of America to form a consensus among other nations and plan for stability in that region.
The planners for post war japan and asia were very wise. The peace and stability of the entire region over 60 years should not be taken for granted. It could easily disintegrate.
Some people say that america has no business being the policeman of the world. These are usually the same people that criticize america for not being "involved enough" in places like sudan and uganda.
If America were to withdraw from japan and the pacific and other areas of the world the vacuum would soon be filled by other powers contending for dominance . The pacific rim could become a volatile place very quickly.
Japan has had a really good deal by having America provide its security. Not only does America provide japanfs security but it maintains stability in the entire region.
One of the biggest problems with americafs war in iraq is that it has undermined long term stability in the middle east and damaged the ability of America to form a consensus among other nations and plan for stability in that region.
The planners for post war japan and asia were very wise. The peace and stability of the entire region over 60 years should not be taken for granted. It could easily disintegrate.
Some people say that america has no business being the policeman of the world. These are usually the same people that criticize america for not being "involved enough" in places like sudan and uganda.
