Trying to make Japanese friends at university

[CorDarei]

Isn't it funny though how it's so common that you can even do kanji henkan from minna-san to 皆さん？

Don't you think that could be because it breaks it up into "minna" + "san" and henkans them separately?

 

[PaulTB]

Isn't it funny though how it's so common that you can even do kanji henkan from minna-san to 皆さん？

If I kanji henkan 'minnasan' this is what I get : みんな三

What OS and IME are you using?

 

[PaulTB]

Don't you think that could be because it breaks it up into "minna" + "san" and henkans them separately?

That's what I wondered. If it it is so then (with the Windows XP IME) you can clearly see just one half of the henkan'ed word will be highlighted after you press space.

Also note that
a) you can add words to the IME
b) (at least in the Windows XP IME) the henkan result you get depends on what you last chose when henkan'ing that word.

e.g. かん + one space might = 缶
but if the last time you chose a different entry then
かん + one space might = 姦

 

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

あの～よろしいでしょうか ☝

日本語の「みなさん」と「みんなさん」で論争があるようですが

国語辞書「大辞林 第二版」を検索した結果
「みんなさん」は0件でした。
「みなさん」では1件「皆さん」が出てきます。

「みんなさん」は恐らくローマ字入力のミス入力だと思います。
私は、かな入力なので「みんなさん」と言う言葉があるとは知りませんでした。

It is my opinion about a dispute about Japanese "MINNA-SAN" and "MINA-SAN".
It is the result that it searched in national language dictionary.
"All" was 0 cases.
Only one case comes out with "MINA-SAN".
"MINNA-SAN" thinks that perhaps it is the misinput of the Romaji input.
Because I do the kana input, I do not input it with "MINNA-SAN".

 

[PaulTB]

あの～よろしいでしょうか

日本語の「みなさん」と「みんなさん」で論争があるようですが

そうですね。

Harveyさんにとって「みなさん」と「みんなさん」の競争だそうですが、

国語辞書「大辞林 第二版」を検索した結果
「みんなさん」は０件でした。
「みなさん」では１件「皆さん」が出てきます。

「みんなさん」は恐らくローマ字入力のミス入力だと思います。
私は、かな入力なので「みんなさん」と言う言葉があるとは知りませんでした。

なるほど。

ところで、当掲示板で、日本語の文に数字を全角に打ったほうがいいです。

 

[Elizabeth]

みんなさんという言い方はネイティブは決してしないと 思います。
Harveyさんはそれが普通に使っているという感じを持っ ていますけど、
ほとんどの日本人にとっては、間違っていた「みんなさ ん」と聞こえたら、
「みなさん」として、自然に受け止めるのでしょうね。

 

[epigene]

いつの間にかすごい事になっていますね！ :jawdrop:

Although I haven't checked ALL the pages with みんなさん, I found that the pages at the top are actually written by non-native speakers of Japanese (who came to Japan to study, work, etc.). In some others, "minna-san" was used intentionally just for fun. The rest appears to be typos in blogs, etc. As Nagashima-san says, it probably happens because of romaji input. As far as I know, the majority of Japanese use romaji input, unless they learn kana input first for word processing needs, etc.

I would also like to say that errors are being pointed out here because this is a Japanese language learning site (and English, too). We offer information to share with each other, which is not possible in ordinary, real-life situations. If I had met someone (a foreigner) speaking Japanese and he/she said "minna-san," I wouldn't correct the person. It is against Japanese rules of courtesy to offend someone. It is regarded disparaging rather than an offer for help. I will probably just praise who well he/she speaks Japanese and ignore such mistakes, especially since they don't affect the essential message communicated.

I just want people to know that we are all here to learn and enjoy...

Addendum: Takasugi Shinji-san is a bilingual Japanese who trained as an engineer and has a keen interest in languages (including his own). I have great respect for what he writes in his articles and the contribution he has made on the Web in creating his Japanese-language learning site.

 

[Elizabeth]

Although I haven't checked ALL the pages with 窶堙昶?堙ｱ窶堙遺?堋ｳ窶堙ｱ, I found that the pages at the top are actually written by non-native speakers of Japanese (who came to Japan to study, work, etc.).

It isn't meant as a criticism of these employees, but Rakuten Plaza ﾂ（ﾅ?y窶弖ﾂ広ﾂ湘ｪﾂ）pages in particular appear to have some of the more mistake riddled Japanese sites on the web. They always come at the top of my most errant searches, anyway.

 

[Glenn]

Crap. He's not even a native speaker!

Don't you mean he is a native speaker?

Addendum: Takasugi Shinji-san is a bilingual Japanese who trained as an engineer and has a keen interest in languages (including his own). I have great respect for what he writes in his articles and the contribution he has made on the Web in creating his Japanese-language learning site.

I agree. I enjoy reading his articles on the Japanese language and I have learned quite a bit from his site and his message board. He's one of the most impressive people I've ever "met."

 

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

友達は、できましたか?
Was the Japanese friend made?

ダンさん