Thinking of burning the Koran

[Emoni]

Lol Awsome video.!


Sorry but where did you hear/read that ?


It depends on you whether you have eyes or not!
your logic is very weird !

Studying Qur'an only is against what Qur'an teachs,The first versus in Qur'an was "Read" this is the first word said to prophet Muhammed in Makkah.
The Islamic world was full of Liberties like in Baghdad and Cordoba (in Andalus),also in Egypt,Istanbol...etc etc,And there is nothing like what you said about Sudan.
You know (or mabye not) where the liberties came from.

Wow, you actually liked that video?

As for the rest of your post... Wow^2
The Koran (as well as other vague and self-contradicting interpretive religious texts) has been used to justify outright murder repeatedly. For every out of context peaceful quote you give, there is an out of context violent quotation that is used by extremists to justify murder.

Oh, and in my definition of "hurt" it doesn't include getting your feelings hurt because someone breaks something you like. I'm talking about serious hurt here, as in murdering or abuse of human beings.

Anyway, you're using the Middle-east and Islamic world as an example of liberties... while arguing for taking away them in the case of this aspect of freedom of speech. That alone makes my brain f'ing HURT.

 

[Hezam]

Wow, you actually liked that video?

yeah somewhat,i like to see how crazy world in there,maybe because i'm very bored in this moment.

there is an out of context violent quotation that is used by extremists to justify murder.

That doesn't mean Qur'an is contradictory,It's like those criminals who use the rules to avoid the punishment in the west.
If a couple guys used Jihad verses to declare Jihad in any time for their interests then they are wrong not Qur'an,Don't blame anything for what wrong users used it for. <---- i like broken english

 

[Emoni]

That doesn't mean Qur'an is contradictory,It's like those criminals who use the rules to avoid the punishment in the west.
If a couple guys used Jihad verses to declare Jihad in any time for their interests then they are wrong not Qur'an,Don't blame anything for what wrong users used it for. <---- i like broken english

If you are picking and choosing and interpreting what a quote says (often out of specific context which religion is notorious for doing) then maybe it is BOTH the "book" and the "user" that is wrong.

To say the koran is a peaceful book (or the bible for that matter), is depending only on who you ask... and if they are on the "right side" of the book they interpret. Luckily for those interpreting it, they ALWAYS believe they are on the right side of their interpretation, which they believe to be is fact, rather than simply their personal opinion.

The Quran's Verses of Violence This site's interpretation (Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth) would argue different, as would other sites. (Please note I'm not going to say that all the information on this site is my opinion, I'm giving an example, although I might agree with parts)

When I say I don't want the koran to be burned, it is simply because I don't want a book to be burned that can be learned from in some degree and has historical importance (not by what is in it, but how people have followed it blindly). Hell, I don't even want Hitler's book burned or banned. Simply because there is the opportunity to learn from the book and understand the way that sort of hatred and insanity grew. Even the negative must remain in order to learn from it. In my opinion, to believe any book "just because it says to" is one of the most idiotic and stupid things one could possibly do and is a sign of extreme immaturity. That doesn't mean the book itself, or people should be burned, hurt, or anything else. I'm sure this would "hurt people's feelings" but get over it, I'm more concerned about people's lives being ended because of insanity based around ANY religious book.

Ultimately, this is just a political shouting match between some Christians and some Muslims that will simply ignite ignorant hatred and anger that I want nothing to do with. Unfortunately, these idiots live on the same planet, just like a screaming baby in a restaurant.

My advice to you Hezam, if you like the koran, go for it and enjoy it. Just know that many other people will NOT like it, and sometimes loud creepy idiots who are best ignored, will not like it and won't shut up.

I don't like tomatoes, maybe you do, but I promise I won't destroy all tomatoes. Besides, I like ketchup.

 

[Hezam]

Not sure but this time you sound sane !

My advice to you Hezam, if you like the koran, go for it and enjoy it. Just know that many other people will NOT like it, and sometimes loud creepy idiots who are best ignored, will not like it and won't shut up.

In some way,you are repeating what i posted before :

Assuredly ye will be tried in your property and in your persons, and ye will hear much wrong from those who were given the Scripture before you, and from the idolaters. But if ye persevere and ward off (evil), then that is of the steadfast heart of things. (Al-E-Imran-186)

(please don't take it religious ;p).

P.S i seriously like tomatos but i hate ketchup so much T_T...Don't know why

 

[let`s talk]

The US gov forced the Arabic governments to arrest the extremests muslims but they can't touch the other extremests from another religions !! this is unfair !

Double standards on terrorism
No comments.

 

[noyhauser]

I'm so sorry for what happend in 9/11 it's a tragedy for all people, 9/11 caused a very big damage for Americans and Muslims,about 3000 person killed in 9/11 and as a result for 9/11 In Afghanistan thousands people have been killed and 1,5 millions Iraqi have been killed and still dying everyday even in my homeland ( Yemen ) and here in Saudi Arabia.

#1 (and this is not to say this number is acceptable) But 1.5 million have not died. The Generally accepted number by the United Nations, the Iraqi Government and the Iraqi Body Count, puts the number at about 100~150,000 people.

The US gov forced the Arabic governments to arrest the extremests muslims but they can't touch the other extremests from another religions !! this is unfair !
anyway,if he burned the Qur'an at his house without this blah blah blah the no one will care but to involve the Government and the Media and repeating it again and again !! Why ?

Uh no, thats not the case. Is this pastor or his followers actually going to bomb muslims or americans? Um, no. No, they weren't.

 

[Haruspex]

When I say I don't want the koran to be burned, it is simply because I don't want a book to be burned that can be learned from in some degree and has historical importance (not by what is in it, but how people have followed it blindly). Hell, I don't even want Hitler's book burned or banned. Simply because there is the opportunity to learn from the book and understand the way that sort of hatred and insanity grew. Even the negative must remain in order to learn from it. In my opinion, to believe any book "just because it says to" is one of the most idiotic and stupid things one could possibly do and is a sign of extreme immaturity.

Burn the scripture and leave a few copies for those who demonstrate sufficient intellect not to go on holy wars after reading an ancient fantasy novel, eg scholars.

Ok, that's a joke. I'm not for controlling information. I am, rather, a supporter of taking the piss out of anything that yields to having the piss taken.

 

[Emoni]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100912/ts_nm/us_usa_muslims

Two already, but at least so far the only hostages being taken are books... so far.

 

[Astroboy]

"Burning the Koran" may result in the same outcome as "Guantanamo Detention Camp".

As far as I know, some 99% of suspects held captive in the Guantanamo was innocent, but their life was broken as they were locked and tortured in the Camp. It is quite reasonable that ex-suspects will become real terrorists after they return to their homelands.

Demonstration of "Burning the Koran" will be same. 99.99...% of muslim has nothing to do with Al-Qaeda, but "Burning the Koran" will disgrace them and let them stand up against USA.

 

[Nuala]

"Burning the Koran" may result in the same outcome as "Guantanamo Detention Camp".
As far as I know, some 99% of suspects held captive in the Guantanamo was innocent, but their life was broken as they were locked and tortured in the Camp. It is quite reasonable that ex-suspects will become real terrorists after they return to their homelands.
Demonstration of "Burning the Koran" will be same. 99.99...% of muslim has nothing to do with Al-Qaeda, but "Burning the Koran" will disgrace them and let them stand up against USA.

Your anti-American view is overused and slightly annoying, Astroboy. You keep crying wolf like this, and nobody will care what you have to say. While I believe burning the Quran is wrong, it's also my firm belief that according to the constitution of the United States that jerks like Pastor Burnyquran McIdiot have a right to express their beliefs and opinions, no matter how ignorant and misguided those may be.

I sure hope the Muslims who worship at the mosque I'm touring this coming week don't rise up while I'm there. Hey! Wait a moment..haven't there been Muslims in the USA before September 11th, 2001? Since before even the first World Trade Center bombing? Since before the Vietnam War? That's absolutely mind blowing! I just realized that! Shucks, now why would they choose to stand up against the USA now of all times? Things have been peachy keen.

 

[undrentide]

I sure hope the Muslims who worship at the mosque I'm touring this coming week don't rise up while I'm there. Hey! Wait a moment..haven't there been Muslims in the USA before September 11th, 2001? Since before even the first World Trade Center bombing? Since before the Vietnam War? That's absolutely mind blowing! I just realized that! Shucks, now why would they choose to stand up against the USA now of all times? Things have been peachy keen.

I simply wonder and would like to ask out of curiosity - why building a mosque near the World Trade Center site means Muslims are standing up against the USA?

 

[Nuala]

I simply wonder and would like to ask out of curiosity - why building a mosque near the World Trade Center site means Muslims are standing up against the USA?

That's the thing, dear. They aren't standing up against the USA, there's no need to. Muslims themselves are condemning radical groups based off of Islam such as Al-Qaeda. Muslims in the United States send their children to co-ed schools. Muslim women work in the United States, and they also drive vehicles. They have it great over here.

This nonsense is all because some people are shining a light a little too brightly on the Muslim community. It's sorta akin to an impotent version of modern McCarthyism. Actually, that's exactly what's going on right now. People such as Pastor Burnyquran McIdiot can scream as loud as they want, because nobody seriously gives a damn.

 

[Hezam]

#1 (and this is not to say this number is acceptable) But 1.5 million have not died. The Generally accepted number by the United Nations, the Iraqi Government and the Iraqi Body Count, puts the number at about 100~150,000 people.

There is no Iraqi government,Do you think that mercineries a government ?
even before Iraq war,1,5 million Iraq died because of the Economic blockade.

Uh no, thats not the case. Is this pastor or his followers actually going to bomb muslims or americans? Um, no. No, they weren't.

please don't encourag such acts,What will you do if someone take your stuff (valued stuff) and burn it ?
He started it so he is the only responsible for anything might happen to him.
This is thing,the other thing,i'm not reffering to what the pastor doing but there are many groups/companies killing dozens of people in here...I don't think you don't know Black Water ?

 

[Hezam]

American Muslims are American people no matter what their religion is,they shouldn't involve themselves with everything idiots say/do.

 

[Astroboy]

Your anti-American view is overused and slightly annoying, Astroboy. You keep crying wolf like this, and nobody will care what you have to say.

What's wrong with you, Sir ?

 

[noyhauser]

There is no Iraqi government,Do you think that mercineries a government ?

Yes absolutely. In this thread you earlier claimed that the Arab people are oppressed by dictators. Well Iraq is a country that actually voted on their government, with results legitimized by the United Nations. It nowhere near perfect, but it a functioning government that can account for how many people have died in its care. Will you now claim that the health ministry lied? What about the United Nations and Iraqi body count?

even before Iraq war,1,5 million Iraq died because of the Economic blockade.

Thats not what you said: you claimed they died as a result of 9/11.

please don't encourag such acts,What will you do if someone take your stuff (valued stuff) and burn it ?

What like a flag, or a holy book? Feel pity, shrug my shoulders and move on.

He started it so he is the only responsible for anything might happen to him.
This is thing,the other thing,i'm not reffering to what the pastor doing but there are many groups/companies killing dozens of people in here...I don't think you don't know Black Water ?

Oh what companies are killing dozens of people in Saudi Arabia?

Actually its not called blackwater anymore, its name is XE, which has nothing to do at all with what you're talking about here.

 

[Hezam]

Yes absolutely. In this thread you earlier claimed that the Arab people are oppressed by dictators. Well Iraq is a country that actually voted on their government, with results legitimized by the United Nations. It nowhere near perfect, but it a functioning government that can account for how many people have died in its care. Will you now claim that the health ministry lied? What about the United Nations and Iraqi body count?

from what you wrote above you seem like you have no idea what's going on here !
Saddam was 1000 times better than the current mercineries,Iraq was like Egypt,But now it's like in the stoneage.
Anyway this is not our subject.
But i hope you ensure about the UN and the votes in the Iraqi elections,The UN was always a western tool.

Thats not what you said: you claimed they died as a result of 9/11.

1.5 million died before 9/11 and 1.5 million died after 9/11 ....please read about the Economic blockade on Iraq.

Oh what companies are killing dozens of people in Saudi Arabia?

I mean the whole middle East,don't take the borders seriously.

Actually its not called blackwater anymore, its name is XE, which has nothing to do at all with what you're talking about here.

XE doesn't mean they are innocent and It's a criminal/Terrorist group just like Al-Qaeda or even worse.

 

[RolandtheHeadless]

"The UN was always a western tool."

Then why didn't the UN approve and sanction the Iraq invasion? President Bush (through Colin Powell) certainly did try to get UN approval.

 

[Haruspex]

XE doesn't mean they are innocent and It's a criminal/Terrorist group just like Al-Qaeda or even worse.

They're mercenaries who are paid to carry out military operations. I can't quite see how that accords with the definition of terrorism.

 

[Hezam]

"The UN was always a western tool."

Then why didn't the UN approve and sanction the Iraq invasion? President Bush (through Colin Powell) certainly did try to get UN approval.

Because the UN includes many countries with different interests so they don't want the US to have all the oil there.
for example France didn't approve the Iraq invasion for their interests.

They're mercenaries who are paid to carry out military operations. I can't quite see how that accords with the definition of terrorism.

Don't they kill innocents ? May i know what's the terrorism from in your opinion ?

 

[Davey]

Is this still about burning the qu'ran?

 

[Mycernius]

Duuno. Subject seems to have veered off somewhat. That means it is time for the appearance of:

Big Bird​

 

[Pavel123]

Don't they kill innocents ? May i know what's the terrorism from in your opinion ?

Let me tell you something Hezam. You say that mercenaries are terrorist. At the same time many muslim countries teach their kids to make a suicide bombing.

You and your people are the last people that can say that American mercenaries kill innocent people. Because that's what you do as well. Sorry, for being aggressive, but I can not tolerate a lie from people that know what is going on in their country, and blame others for that. Stop changing the truth.

 

[Haruspex]

Don't they kill innocents ? May i know what's the terrorism from in your opinion ?

Terrorism is what the term itself implies. It implies that whoever engages in terrorism should work in order to, I stress, in order to spread terror. An intent to kill or destroy is simply not enough, else all armies, for instance, would be terrorists and truly, the world would be full of terrorist groups.

You and your people are the last people that can say that American mercenaries kill innocent people. Because that's what you do as well. Sorry, for being aggressive, but I can not tolerate a lie from people that know what is going on in their country, and blame others for that. Stop changing the truth.

Who is you? You are making baseless assertions. The majority of Muslims are not terrorists and you cannot point to anyone on these forums who is. You simply dismissed a Religion and a nation as terrorists, when the truth is that they are far more numerous than all the terrorists of the world put together. Three pictures, or even three hundred pictures prove nothing regarding a nation. I could easily link three images of nazis, and what does it demonstrate? Nothing.

 

[Pavel123]

Terrorism is what the term itself implies. It implies that whoever engages in terrorism should work in order to, I stress, in order to spread terror. An intent to kill or destroy is simply not enough, else all armies, for instance, would be terrorists and truly, the world would be full of terrorist groups.
Who is you? You are making baseless assertions. The majority of Muslims are not terrorists and you cannot point to anyone on these forums who is. You simply dismissed a Religion and a nation as terrorists, when the truth is that they are far more numerous than all the terrorists of the world put together. Three pictures, or even three hundred pictures prove nothing regarding a nation. I could easily link three images of nazis, and what does it demonstrate? Nothing.

"You" are those who defend the muslim acts while every human being around sees what they are really doing. The majority of muslims aren't terrorist, eh? Well, news flash, the majority of the terrorists are muslims. So your point is not but BS. Our country, Israel, has to deal with hatred all around it because of this terrorists you are so willing to talk about. Our northern cities get hit with missiles from muslim countries. And just for the record the prophet Muhammad endorse child molestation and incest. So yeah, I think I got the full right to say what I say. You know the muslims that live in here. Oh, and did you forget the flotilla incident? "Peace Makers" bullshit. Everyone saw what they did to us, and the pictures of their cruelty was posted in their own news papers. So yeah, try and tell me that I make baseless assertions... Go ahead...