as for tohoku earthquake,many chinese , korean and other foreigner got in a panic easily..
there is few riots , looting ...
A lot of Japanese are racist,in fact I have a few students who tell me they don't like the Chinese. In a world of limited opportunity and suppression by subtle racism.
I never say they did in Japan this timeAny news link ( either Japanese or English ) on reported riots and lootings :?
if it is so as korean way,thase things are natural for them日本人は自分よりも他人に配慮する民族だと言われる。5年半の特派員生活で接した普段の日本人はそうだった。地下鉄でも、争って座ろうとする行動を恥じる国民だ。そんな日本人をわたしは今も尊敬している。被災地の住民も涙が出るほど互いに配慮し合う姿をみせている。彼らは政府を恨んだりしない。しかし、首都圏の人々の行動は、そういう評判とはかけ離れている。静かに列をつくり、もっとくれと騒いだりはしないが、買い占めには違いない。むしろ売り場に殺到して騒いだ方が、深刻な状況が際立ち、状況を改善する上では有効だ。むしろ醜い本質はそのままさらけ出すべきだ。
I never say they did in Japan this time.this is korean mentality according to korean news of chosun online.com,.....He wanted a panic in Japan?
Lol...younger generations (like myself) wouldn't, but the older ones,some of them still do, as they find it hard to forget the awful past they went through, inevitably...><Hi louiselim,
Thanks for your response.
I love Malaysia and Malaisians!
You Malaysians don't blame us for the "wrongdoings" our army was said to commit. Thanks!
I'm just surprised that a lot of people here actually believe this incident was faked. For all seriousness, was there a need to create an incident? And where to explain the numbers and the various sources? All faked? Even accounts by former members were faked? And also, it is absolutely plausible for these incidents to occur. This is in particular with a vivid example of Unit 731 and what they found there. Further ahead, as a social psychology major, it all demonstrated that all these are all capable of occurring when conditions are ripe.
I won't be surprised if the research done by Iris Chang might be prone to errors, or have some historic inaccuracies within, so I never consider that book, as one full of horrors and hatred, to be properly produced as the sole source of the event. However with that said, this also meant I don't think it's acceptable to conclude the event has been fabricated.
Denying history is one of the worst thing anyone can do. As much as people denounce the coverup of June 4th, why are people blocking out that this event has happened? It's already over. The only point is to work together to move on forward and get across this obstacle, otherwise this topic will still be a dividing rift 200 years later from now.
I wonder why do you care about a buch of Japanese killed coupled of thousands of Chinese in the most brutal war in the history of man kind?Did Russia rape and kill million of Germany when they occupy East German? Did Amerikas drop two nuclear bombs and destroy compleye two cities of Japanese? What's the difference? Because Japanese was loser of WW2?
Why can't I? I care because it's an important part of history. I care because it's my people who's been killed in the past. I care because it's affecting modern Sino-Japanese bilateral relationship and friendship. I care because it's affecting how the people today and of tomorrow will learn of what had happened. I care because it will influence and permanently change and affect how future Chinese and Japanese see each other and get along. I've got all the legit reasons, so why can't I?
And fyi, I don't believe in victor's justice. Americans should equally be held accountable for their own shares of war crimes. Pity they never did, which is why they're behaving like this today.
Instead I wonder why you're so overreacting and getting so hyped up, and why you even challenged me this at the first place.
And on your part, I want to see your reaction if people are denying Gulf of Tonkin occurred and the use of napalm on Vietnamese.
Good god, if I know that you are Chinese, I won't start this conservation.
Firstly, the rape of Nanking happened long time ago. Most of the people involed in the event are dead or lost their memory because of their ages.
Secondly, I dont see it worthly to keep talking about it because there were many more brutal events happened in that world war and none of them did bring upon justice.
Thirdly, I would like to remind you that your civil war (demoracy & communism) had much much higher casualities than the war between your people and Japanese. I even dont want to talk about the cultural revolution that devasted your country for decades and killed zillion of good people and cultural hesitage in Chinese.
and finally, I dont care about gulf of Tokin or Napal bomb, really. Amerikas and Vietnamese are friends now and they are helping us to develop our country. It does not matter if Amerikas did kill gazillion of Vietnamese 40 years ago. Past is past, you know.
I know that Chinese culture really value the past. That's why there are many more Chineses who hate Japanese than any country that was occupied by Japanese during 1900-1945.
I'm not too familiar with Vietnamese culture so I can't make too much assessment on it as I would with Japanese and Korean.
Anyways, I suggest you read the hugeass lengthy one that I've written up there. It will explain "why" I "bring" it up and talk about it.
1. The reason I brought it up in the first place was not to re-condemn the Japanese. It's unproductive and a waste of time, not to mention doing more worse than good. The point is that it is an ongoing issue that we needed to solve, and solve as in not make the Japanese pay, but together both sides handle the past with a positive attitude that can put an end to it and let things move forth from then on. The attitudes of the denials are affecting the bilateral relationships and the overall image of the people in particular. There's more, but I've explained it up there. Go take a look.
2. Because those weren't brought to justice doesn't mean it's right, or that other incidents shouldn't. If no one ever speaks up and let things get away, it's as guilty as letting evil get away, or letting it happen. To let evil happen is to not do anything about it, therefore watching someone gets beaten to death is pretty much equivalent of helping it succeed, because no one is there to stop. The West are very double-standard in many things, particularly with war crimes and many other series of actions that they condemn others of doing. For us Asians to let them tramp our backyard and not speak up is EXACTLY the attitude of a defeatist, or one who submits to their will and feed into the stereotype that Asians are submissive and will never speak up.
3. I am fully aware, but as the focus at this moment is towards the Rape of Nanjing, this is where we're talking. And if you read what I've said up there, an example that I've made was regarding June 4th. As for Cultural Revolution, no denials there that it's the worst thing to occur in history. I do believe, and hope that the future China will face up to this past the way it should, and fortunately, there are NO lack of knowledge of this incident in China. It's taught in school, and it's too severe not to be talked of. Most people in China hates the government and their crimes, just so you know; they aren't that unaware as the biased Western media would like to brainwash others into believing. I'm also not from China, but from HK and Canada. I hope this explains where I'm from, and how it also allows me to see everything from the scopes of an ingroup and outgroup.
4. And while your point is valid that it's a very bloody event, what made it different was that when it's an internal thing, it's just sorting out inventory and cleaning out the closet, such as how Iraq put Saddam to death, or Gaddafi disposed by its own people. I'm not saying the killings were right, but the difference is equivalent of a fight occurring inside your household. It's your own family problem. You won't have each other for long, but if there's a need to get rid of the dictator when the time is right, you shall. However a massacre by external force, or an invasion, is different, where it's considered intrusion and entry by others. Similar analogy to why some Blacks call each other the N word, but it being said by others non-Black is unacceptable. Anyways when foreign factor comes into play here is where the bitter feeling goes extremely strong. This is why Chinese are so angry towards the Japanese, and this is especially because we Chinese are very pride-conscious, and we've considered all the humiliations since Opium War as the greatest wound in our history and our national pride, therefore we are very sensitive and conscious towards anymore infringement on our nation. To top it off, while the West stamped in before Japan, Japan would be considered the last/latest one in our minds, hence the recency effect. Coupled with the attitudes and the sensitive wounds, it flares up even more, and remains fresh. What I'm saying here is explaining why Chinese are so angry, and how while the earlier decades of instability were much more bloody, it's different from when Japan invaded. Another thing would be the aggressions from the colonization of Manchuria to the Rape, which spanned for quite some time.
5. Not meant to put cold water on you, but US also entered Indonesia the previous decades. The results were millions of Indonesians slaughtered, as ordered by the dictator, but advised by the US corporates(learned that in my first day of lecture). In the IR, it is all about Realism. As a student in IR minor and focusing on East Asia, I am all too familiar with what goes. US rarely do anything on behalf of friendship in IR; it's always about its benefits and what it can gain from it. You may say US is helping the Viets develop, but I'd truly advise you to look what happens if in the future Vietnam picks up in industrialization and wants more opportunities for domestic businesses to flower, while reducing/denying US corporations opportunities. You'll see what happens then. The US had toppled numerous democratic regimes in the past(merely because they do not support American interests), and even tried to install puppet dictators into states, including Iran (failed, hence the Iranian Revolution, and why Iran HATED US to the guts), and Egypt(Why Obama was quick to distance self from Mubarak). Even the mess Japan is in today is all because of US. Japanese bubble economy popped JUST TO appease the US, which US wanted that time. NAFTA ended up with Canadian resources SOLD to US just so they can sell it back to us, and I'm talking about oil. It's very tragic that too many people see Washington as really the Hollywood image they portrayed themselves as. Look at the economy today and how the US wanted others to bend down just to hold its weight, instead of itself going forth to fix the problems.
And just because they are your "friends" today doesn't mean they will remain so. In IR, it's always Friends with Benefits. And look at Georgia, which got got up in the war with Russia. US supplied arms and all, but that's about it, leaving Russia to carve it up afterwards. Can't expect the US to come in the time of most dire needs. The US in the past might be a bit more "truthful", but the contemporary one is extremely greedy and sinister. The world economy is screwed cause of them.
6. Past is past, but again I've said it up there with regards to attitudes of the past. If the US denied the incidents, then I'd think their "friendship" towards the Vietnamese people is shaky and should be questioned, for that will not be sincere friendship if to deny incidents like those. This is exactly why China and Japan's bilateral relationships aren't properly stable.
5. Not meant to put cold water on you, but US also entered Indonesia the previous decades. The results were millions of Indonesians slaughtered, as ordered by the dictator, but advised by the US corporates(learned that in my first day of lecture). In the IR, it is all about Realism. As a student in IR minor and focusing on East Asia, I am all too familiar with what goes. US rarely do anything on behalf of friendship in IR; it's always about its benefits and what it can gain from it. You may say US is helping the Viets develop, but I'd truly advise you to look what happens if in the future Vietnam picks up in industrialization and wants more opportunities for domestic businesses to flower, while reducing/denying US corporations opportunities. You'll see what happens then. The US had toppled numerous democratic regimes in the past(merely because they do not support American interests), and even tried to install puppet dictators into states, including Iran (failed, hence the Iranian Revolution, and why Iran HATED US to the guts), and Egypt(Why Obama was quick to distance self from Mubarak). Even the mess Japan is in today is all because of US. Japanese bubble economy popped JUST TO appease the US, which US wanted that time. NAFTA ended up with Canadian resources SOLD to US just so they can sell it back to us, and I'm talking about oil. It's very tragic that too many people see Washington as really the Hollywood image they portrayed themselves as. Look at the economy today and how the US wanted others to bend down just to hold its weight, instead of itself going forth to fix the problems.
And just because they are your "friends" today doesn't mean they will remain so. In IR, it's always Friends with Benefits. And look at Georgia, which got got up in the war with Russia. US supplied arms and all, but that's about it, leaving Russia to carve it up afterwards. Can't expect the US to come in the time of most dire needs. The US in the past might be a bit more "truthful", but the contemporary one is extremely greedy and sinister. The world economy is screwed cause of them.
6. Past is past, but again I've said it up there with regards to attitudes of the past. If the US denied the incidents, then I'd think their "friendship" towards the Vietnamese people is shaky and should be questioned, for that will not be sincere friendship if to deny incidents like those. This is exactly why China and Japan's bilateral relationships aren't properly stable.
You are using Chinese point of view to judge our behaviours. Both France, Japanese and Americas commit horrible war crimes in Vietnam but we all pass them away. For example, Japanese was one of many factors that cause a terrible famie that killed hundred of thousands Vietnameses in 1945 but we never blame Japanese directly, (but we teach our kids that Japanese commit that crime in 1945). Japanese also never offer apologize to Vietnam officially. However, you will def. never see an anger attitude toward Japanese within young Vietnamese.
We usually have anger attitude toward Chinesesbecause they are taking our manufacture jobs and flood the market with cheap and toxic products. Vietnameses care about present than the past but I understand your attitude because past is very valuable in China. I admit that if I know you are Chinese I will never begin this conversation due to cultural differences.
"A little learning can be a dangerous thing..."
As a person who actually teaches IR and may have you as a student in the future, I think you should heed the above words. You might want to take a few years of courses before making pronouncements about how US policy in Asia has developed. You seem really just to have a set view on how you see things (US is the root of all evil) and are just bending facts and theories to suit your preconceived views.
Realism is a theory made by academics, its not an operating system used by policy-makers. Moreover its fallen into disfavor among newer academics. The development of US post-war policy to Asia is extremely nuanced and contradictory; Realism cannot adequately explain events during this period. Democracy promotion and domestic aims often played greater parts than the pure real-politic views which Realism demands. Its easy to label some decision post-facto as realist, however the decision to act, legitimation and justification often rested on very very different views... often few of which bear any resemblance to Realism or blatant self interest.
Furthermore, its ridiculous to claim that the Japanese economy popped just because the Americans wanted it to. If you want a straight F, write that, because that's what I would mark it as. The Japanese economy burst because of a massive real estate bubble that undergirded an somewhat unbalanced economic system. This was followed by two decades of flawed macroeconomic policies, and now a looming social security challenge. The US had very little to do with the Japanese collapse and subsequent malaise. And Canada has benefited immensely from NAFTA; we would not be in the relative economic strength without it.
And yes the US often topped free elections in these countries. You also have to realize that so was the Soviet Union, with much more frightening consequences. The Fall of Czechoslovakia in 1948 basically illustrated the dangers of doing nothing. Blithely stating judgement on foreign policy without understanding the context that decisions were made in, is frankly narrow minded.
America has been there in periods of "dire need" for countries. It basically propped up Europe throughout the Cold War, often when it did not need to. In the case of Georgia, I'd say that Shaakashvilli basically misinterpreted the level of protection the was offering. The "arms" supplies and training Georgia recieved were intended for counter insurgency operations in Iraq, not conventional war against Russia. He never was given a blank check by the americans; if anything they were trying to pull him back from an inevitable confrontation.
Not that his will really change your mind, but ditch the anti american blinders. While it might seem an easy answer to international relations, its intellectually lazy and poor scholarship.
Special Providence by Walter Russell Mead might be a work that you should read and consider. Another is Robert Kagan's Dangerous Nation. They are both available at either Lower Mainland School you might be attending.
Thanks for the advice. I welcome different viewpoints because it keeps mine in check to see how far left and right I go, and it's always needed as we never get enough big of a clear picture. May I ask which institute you may be teaching in?
Both France, Japanese and Americas commit horrible war crimes in Vietnam but we all pass them away.