Sticking your nose in other peoples garbage?

Han Chan

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The garbage collecting system is giving people a good excuse for sticking their nose in other peoples garbage. I do not mind sortin my own garbage, but I hate the system where you can only get rid of one particular kind garbage one or two times a week. However, I must confess that I am also looking if other neighbors are trying to get rid of their cans on a nama gomi day! Are we all turning into: Gomi Nazis?
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Article about the subject:

Revenge of the Gomi (Garbage) Nazi
(this article first appeared in the june 21, 2004 issue of newsweek international)

In Tokyo, we live in fear of getting caught putting out gomi, or garbage, at the wrong place, at the wrong time. And the scariest thing about gomi is the ladies -- usually older and very proper -- who police the rules.

Officially, these are simple: you must separate burnable gomi (household paper, kitchen garbage) from unburnable (plastics)and recyclables (glass, cans, newspaper, boxes). Each must be set out on specified days of the week at a designated spot, where city garbage rucks can collect it. Sound easy? I used to think so too.

One morning a few years ago, the piercing ring of the doorbell jolted my husband and me out of our futon. There was our neighbor, at 6:57 a.m. Forget "Good morning" or an apology for waking us. She immediately began screaming about the trash we'd placed outside the night before. We'd just moved in and hadn't even had a chance to say hello. Yet there she was, berating us for using her spot. We'd also put the waste bags too close to her house, some touching her fence! "Around here," she added, residents put the bags in a big plastic trash can instead of just placing them outside, as we'd always done in our former neighborhood.

That's how I learned that each block or apartment complex has its own laws on gomi. And in our area, this lady was the rule book. We called her the "garbage Nazi," and after that we lived under her thrall. She returned only once, delivering another fusillade for some infraction of the rules. But I would see her from our windows, eying our garbage. "She's checking on us again!" I would whisper to my husband. "What do you care?" he would whisper back. "And why are we whispering?"

It's easy to make fun of such paranoia. But some of us recycle out of fright, not concern for the environment. Take a friend of mine, who one evening came home to find a bag of garbage on her doorstep. "Don't ever mix burnables and unburnables," read the note attached to it, written by her landlord, who had obviously been going through the tenants' trash. She's still quaking. Then there's the Japanese businessman and his wife who went to Singapore and left their three children home in Tokyo. They're worried sick. Will the kids handle the garbage correctly?

Most rules are actually not unreasonable. A plastic container keeps crows from ransacking garbage bags for food, a big problem in Tokyo. Still, some people ignore the rules when they think nobody is watching, and so residents watch each other. Some communities require names on their garbage bags. The latest innovation, I hear, is surveillance cameras that monitor gomi-pickup stations. The goal isn't to expose the offenders but to scare them into honoring the rules. These tactics work because
we Japanese hate to stick out.

I never asked my neighbor why she felt entitled to set the rules, or why she had to come banging on the door that early in the morning. I was afraid of being seen as the community troublemaker. We've since moved to another town, where we've yet to meet the local garbage police. I haven't stopped fretting, though. The moment I wake up every morning, I still ask myself: "What is it today, burnable or unburnable?"

The other day, on my way to the train station, I saw a young couple disposing a heap of waste bags at a collection site. Though I had no obvious reason to suspect any wrongdoing, something prompted me to watch. They saw me, with a look on their faces I could describe only as pure horror. Then I realized what had happened. I was turning into a gomi Nazi myself.

(c)Newsweek
 
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I used to hop on my mamachari at a super late time of night and ride a few blocks away from my house to drop the gomi off. LOL

Then I moved to an apartment where nobody cared or checked what you through away. I always kept the pet bottles in their appropriate bag, but whatever was left over was burnable...
 
Where I used to live, if you put out the wrong kind of garbage, they just wouldn't collect your bags. Like, if you had a green (recycling) bag and it had non-recyclable item(s) in it, they'd just leave it there. Instead of just slinging it in with the rest of the garbage. Result: an estate with trash strewn about the place - because people had very little patience with this rule and they very quickly ran out of space in their regular garbage can, so, would start to use the 'recycling' one instead.

There is talk of giving people fines for not recycling, over here. And cctv cameras at public tips, so they can spot people who put the wrong thing in the wrong can. ☝
 
Thats why I love U S A.
Green bin regular trash, nobody gives a rats *** what's in it.
Blue bin recycled trash, nobody gives a rats *** what's in it, but would be wrong to put regular trash in here.
 
Ah, an area of life where I could fit right in!!! I am a bit Obsessive Compulsive already about my household rubbish disposal. No worries there then....I'd be the spy lol Puzzling then why the wife makes little attempt to sort stuff. Hmmm, I think she does it on purpose to annoy me! lol
 
Talking of Gomi Nazis, the local authorities in my area are talking about installing smart chips in our bins so they can monitor the weight of your rubbish - and charge you accordingly know doubt!

All i can see this achieving is making people go out on commando raids to slip heavy gomi into their neighbour's wheely bin :-) Better get a lock for mine!
 
Funny article Han Chan :), where's it from?

Hear, hear Amos!

Actually, I thought those chips had been secretely installed in some wheelie bins already in the UK, wasn't there a fuss a few months ago when people found the chips and were removing them?

And I heard over Christmas local council's employed extra rubbish inspectors to check that everyone was putting the Christmas wrapping in the correct bags (non-recyclable)

The way the UK's going these days, a bag of rubbish'll soon have to be accompanied by a DNA sample, or an eye scan.

Still, at least here we can put all the rubbish out on the same day - in Japan it's all different days as people have said, even more of a nightmare.
 
Funny article Han Chan :), where's it from?
Hear, hear Amos!
Actually, I thought those chips had been secretely installed in some wheelie bins already in the UK, wasn't there a fuss a few months ago when people found the chips and were removing them?

The article is from Newsweek and as far as I remember it was written by an american who lived in Tokyo.

In some municipalities in Denmark we have had the system with weighing the garbage. Most citizens accepts the system because most benefits from lower garbage collection fees. However, we have had problems with some ofloading of private garbage at parkinglots.
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This was never a problem for me/us when I was there on holiday for a month. I lived in a guesthouse so I only had to do it once, but the other tenants said that you can just leave it anytime at noon if you don't want to get up early to put out the bags. And I'm quite sure we didn't sort our very well.. Either way, the bags where gone in the afternoon. :)
 
Amos and Made of Stone, yes they are doing so in my local authority area too, all over in fact. Causes an alarming rate of flytipping all over the country. Amused me no end when they decided to introduce a thermal waste incinerator...and the minister for the environment objected to it being located in his constituancy...case of pot calling kettle black!!!
 
Ah, gomi-san, I know you well. My wife obsesses about it, though we often slip garbage out in the early morning if I want to sleep in that morning. we seperate it, and we're lucky, the local nazi got too old and rarely ventures out anymore.
 
We had a backhoe dig a giant hole in our back yard and we throw all our garbage into it, set it on fire once a week. When it gets close to full we have it covered up and another one dug, of course it takes about 2-3 years to fill one up.

Great advantage of not living in a city
 
Haha! Gomi-Nazis!!! I love it!

Actually, I thought those chips had been secretely installed in some wheelie bins already in the UK, wasn't there a fuss a few months ago when people found the chips and were removing them?

We were told about this too in Bolton, but we never found one. People are just so obsessive. My mother goes mad at me when I accidentally put a bottle in the bin. "THIS GOES IN THE RECYCLE BIN! WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING?" It's mental. My reply is, sheepishly, "I was going to put it in later, but I didn't want to clutter the kitchen." Never goes down well. Is my mother a Gomi-Nazi of England??? :giggle:
 
Chips are under the lip at the front of the bin.They are read when the bin makes contact with the truck as it's emptied. It may be a case of your local authority not billing you (yet) but they may try in the future.
Here, they are installing new water metres in the pavements, area by area, not making a big deal over it. When the time comes to charge us for water at least they've already got the metres in the ground without too much opposition.
 
I have vague memories of reading about the disposal system here going something like this: We (poor dumb, gullible schmucks) diligently sort our garbage into the various categories, separate bagging and feeling like we've done our bit for mother earth, the garbage is taken away, and the illusion of environmentally compatible living is complete. The garbage however, is taken to landfill, dumped in and buried! Cans, pet bottles, plastics, raw, whatever! Apparently the sheer volume of it is too much to actually deal with in a more responsible way. Don't ask me for a source though, because like I said, it's a vague memory-perhaps a newspaper. Anyone else vaguely remember this?
 
Yes Mr Man, I'd heard something similar in the late 90s from an acquaintance in Japan - that it was all burned, but burned separately for maximum efficiency!

Although he was quite a well-connected chap, I took it all with a bucket of salt. Apparently our UK rubbish (trash) is mostly transported to developing nations whose economies are boosted by the recycling business, so I don't doubt Japan could find some willing partners if they really did mean to recycle the stuff.*

Latest news over here - councils are hidding spy cameras in fake bricks and soft drink cans to catch out people who put their rubbish out at the wrong time, or who don't separate their gomi carefully enough...😲




* How environmentally friendly it is to sail our rubbish so far to be recycled (and how kind to our less-affluent brothers and sisters in the developing nations who are prepared to accept it)! How about some clean and sustainable food packaging for once? The old paper bags we used to use before plastic ones? How about some common sense??? :(
 
I think that system is way batter than what we are doing in Mexico- nothing! People don't have the culture. We had that recycling program where public trash cans were sorted out and it didn't work 'cause people got their way throwing their trash on the streets. Talk about recycling!

Mauricio
 
Yes Mr Man, I'd heard something similar in the late 90s from an acquaintance in Japan - that it was all burned, but burned separately for maximum efficiency!
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* How environmentally friendly it is to sail our rubbish so far to be recycled (and how kind to our less-affluent brothers and sisters in the developing nations who are prepared to accept it)! How about some clean and sustainable food packaging for once? The old paper bags we used to use before plastic ones? How about some common sense??? :(

LOL yes packaging sure is excessive here. This problem has it's roots firmly embedded in the culture and the Japanese devotion to presentation. It's a big problem. The average distance for cup noodles etc at lunch time, is about three steps out the door, when all the students have lunch squatting down in front of the "Konbiini" but still they don't bat an eye lid when the robotic clerk puts everything into plastic bags for them..LOL
 
Hello!
I'm looking for the japanese rules to built a landfill, even if the information is in japanese i will check it, somebody know where can i have this information?
 
Anyone see the story on the BBC news website about the guy who got a fine and a criminal record because his wheelie bin was too full and the lid wouldn't shut completely? Totally insane! 😲

Usually I am okay with my wheelie bin, with only one or two of me, but occasionally if I'm cleaning out the house in particular (e.g. decorating) there will be more rubbish... ☝

mos makes a good point about the environmental cost of transporting stuff to be recycled - and even the energy used to recycle it... I also read somewhere that paper bags take more energy and resources to make and then recycle than plastic ones... these days they can make plastic bags that break down quicker (although it doesn't answer the problem totally, they still look bad and can be dangerous to animals).
 
I've never seen the super eco-friendly women (or men) who bring "I'm not A Plastic Bag" at the local super markets nearby.
Probably they've already recycled it based on their belief.
 
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