budd said:i got lost in asakusa
found a fire station
showed them a map (in kanji) of where i wanted to go
30 minutes later, i had my directions
corocoro said:漢字廃止なんてあり得ないです。
漢字は日本の大切な文化です。
平仮名とカタカナだけの文なんて読む気にならないもん 。
韓国の人はハングルだけの文章を読むのに苦労してるっ て記事読んだし、
わざわざ漢字を捨てる意味が無い。
Abolish Kanji? It's impossible!
Kanji IS our precious culture.
I won't feel like reading texts written only with hiragana and katakana.
I've read an article that Korean people having a hard time reading texts
written only with Hangeul (Korean alphabet) (Is it true? Lexico-san).
There is no point in abolishing Kanji anyway.
Abolish Kanji? It's impossible!
Kanji IS our precious culture.
I won't feel like reading texts written only with hiragana and katakana.
I've read an article that Korean people having a hard time reading texts
written only with Hangeul(Korean alphabet)(Is it ture? Lexico-san).
There is no point in abolishing Kanji anyway.
Leroy_Brown said:Sansei deeeesu!
Abolish the royalty instead. And the consumption tax.
I think this part is meant as an irony 反語法, saying "I agree with Corocoro-san."Leroy Brown said:Abolish the royalty instead. And the consumption tax.
corocoro said:I've read an article that Korean people having a hard time reading texts written only with Hangeul (Korean alphabet)(Is it ture? Lexico-san).
Hai.Leroy_Brown said:Sansei deeeesu!
Actually I think the royalty is as much important as kanji for Japanese. But I'd agree with the tax. lolAbolish the royalty instead. And the consumption tax.
Hiroyuki-san こんにちは。Hiroyuki Nagashima said:You insult the Japanese Imperial Family?
No, I's not a taboo or any thing.lexico said:Perhaps in Japanese culture, it is not permitted to speak the Imperial name even for good-willed irony ? Is it a taboo ?
P_RayDub said:To abolish kanji would be disasterous, what about all of those japanese people who only know the japanese language? Taking away kanji would be like taking away english writing in the US. For example, if everybody started substituting computer abreviations for the english language just because most people know about it and it's "the thing to do" that would be messed up because not everybody understand what "ppl","lol",or "sry" means. If kanji was abolished then that would leave alot of japanese people confused.
lexico said:Short answer: While in reading, 1) verbalizing itself may be easier with the alphabetic han'gul, 2) getting the meaning in all its precision and evocative force of the languge is greatly diminished by not having hanja 漢字. Maybe it gives the appearance of ease without the 漢字, but I don't think even the younger generation with less 漢字 knowledge will appreciate this in the long run. My son has been taking private lessons in 漢字 to be prepared for the more 漢字 oriented culture, but in reality it has never never disappeared. The ignorant crowd don't care either way because they don't read, but slogans of "pure han'gul" usage has some superficial appeal to them.
Long answer: The Korean "experiment of purging" the language of all foreign influence has been futile and damaging in my opinion. In South Korea there were 4 phases to the purge pushed by the nationalists and purist linguists.
1. 1945-1964: 漢字倂用 1,000 Hanja's within parathenses or superscribed
2. 1964-1970: 漢字一部混用 1,300 Hanja's within parathenses, in grades 4-12
3. 1970-1975: 漢字除去 None; exceptions are Classical Korean/Chinese textbooks
4. 1975-present: 漢字部分倂用 1,800 Basic Hanja's in grades 7-12
In a poll of 2,000 Koreans adults above the age of 20 conducted by Gallup Inst. Korea in 1988 indicated that 70.9% Koreans believed that 漢字 is best taught in the elementary (primary) schools. Beginning in the late 1980's under the pressure of political activists and purists, newpapers and non-acedemic publications started to do without all 漢字's, and today none of the newspapers and many books and periodicals do not have any Hanja.
The result of this social experiment has had damaging effects on literacy and composition in people of vaious age groups due to the ever changing hanja policy 漢字政策. North Korea (DPRK) had abolished hanja education in 1945, but restored it in 1964 because of the damage to literacy. You can see a sample page of DPRK's 12th grade (中學 5年級) textbook in physical geogrpahy, and another sample page from DPRK's 漢文敎科書, Pyong'yang, 1969.
In my case, I find the newpapers and non-hanja publications an annoyance when it comes to accuracy. When my reading concerns history, geography, religion, or just about any topic employing above-every day vocabulary, not having 漢字 is a hindrance and the cause of delay and undue waste of effort when I am looking for the exact, corresponding 漢字. The 1992 announcement of deregularizing 漢字 education therefore came as a welcome, and many young children the 2nd grade are taking extracurricular 漢字 classes. I hope this change continues in the positive direction of incorporating 漢字 as a regular subject of instruction in the elementary schools as in Japan.
corocoro said:Hiroyuki-san こんにちは。
屈辱と言うより皮肉交じりの冗談なんではないかと思い ます。
Konnichiwa Hiroyuki-san,
I guess it's more like a joke with an irony than insult.
Silverbackman said:The main reason why I am a little against kanji is not only because of the difficulty, it somewhat shows that all Japan is a copycat from China. I mean, if you want to learn kanji why not study Chinese, which is more China unique than Japan unique. Japan's evolution of Hiragana and Katakana are Japan, kanji isn't necessarily Japan.