Missionaries in Japan

What is your opinion of foreign missionaries operating in Japan?

  • They are saving the souls of the Japanese infidels.

    Votes: 14 11.0%
  • They are simply offering the Japanese an alternative point of view.

    Votes: 36 28.3%
  • They are harmless as most Japanese avoid/ignore them anyway.

    Votes: 29 22.8%
  • They are naive, aggressive and self-righteous.

    Votes: 41 32.3%
  • They threaten to destroy Japan's unique nature and family-orientated secular culture.

    Votes: 23 18.1%
  • Missionary visas should be withdrawn immediately.

    Votes: 33 26.0%
  • The world would be better off if Japanese culture was more widely spread around the world.

    Votes: 20 15.7%

  • Total voters
    127
tha_rippa1be said:
i haven't seen any mormons here in belgium yet, but we have the getuigen van jehova
(withnesses of jehova). and they come ringing at your door.
i don't think you should force someone to follow your belief.
going round ppl's houses or things like that... :/

( i have to say we had christians ringing here aswell, although everyone in our house already is officially chistian. prolly to bring ppl back to the church :p )
Luckily, religious people don't come to my door anymore -- I scared them off. Every time I would see one of them coming up my walkway, I would answer the door in an old, torn pair of underpants and mutter to myself. And then shout stuff at no one. LOL... the expressions on their faces was priceless. 😌
 
I know this is a bit extreme, but religion is starting to piss me off, epsecially Jehovah's Witnesses.

There was a girl at my school who had a heart problem, and she needed an operation. Bt since she was a Jehovah's Witness, her parents wouldnt allow her to have surgery, even though she wanted surgery. Now I know I shouldn't be butting in on personal problems like this, but what kind of parents let their child die becuase their faith doesnt allow them to have surgery? what?!?!?! :auch: :auch: I know that people should believe whatever they want to, but that is WAY over the top.


And both of my next door neighbors are morman, they are really nice people I have to admit, but I think the way that they are so pushy for people to join their religion kinda of gets on my nerves... and im not going to even go there with the JW's, they won't friggin leave me alone :auch:

I say that you should believe whatever you want to believe. If you want to believe in the Catholic faith, go for it. Christian? Why not. Morman, Islamic, Bhuddist, Atheist, etc etc... all fine with me. But What i don't like is someone coming up to me and telling me the faith I believe in is wrong, or taking their beliefs of religion to extremes and inflicting harm or negative implications on others :auch:
 
Well, I don't really mind someone coming up to me. After all, if you don't approach people, then how will you spread the message?

However, I do have a problem with the people who try to force their religion down your throat after you've told them you're not interested. That's just plain wrong, especially when they try to make other religions wrong. I always say the end of world will decide who's right and who's wrong. In the meantime, just chill.
 
december said:
Well, I don't really mind someone coming up to me. After all, if you don't approach people, then how will you spread the message?

why not do anything at all...?
i think if ppl do want to change religion they will search for the information theirselves.
 
The problem with that, rippa, is that at least 2 of the most popular religions on the planet, Christianity and Islam demand of their followers to spread their religion. True believers are compelled to do so - it's part of their reality.
 
nzueda said:
Hi, thanks for your interesting post.

Just wanted to point out that someone that believes in, and tries to follow Jesus is in fact a christian. Jehovah's Witnesses believe in Christ and they also use the Bible as their guide.

Enjoy your time in Japan 🙂

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians. When I say Christians, they are those who believe in the early church creeds (the Apostles Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Chalcedonian Creed). Jehovah's Witnesses reject the Trinity and deny that Jesus is God. Also, they use a corrupt Bible that mistranslates the original Hebrew and Greek.

To the original question, I believe that more missionaries are needed in Japan. There is more to existence than living for the here and now.
 
I don't think the Jehovah's Witnesses even consider themselves to be Christians. As for a mistranslated Bible, from what I can tell, it's pretty close to impossible to figure out what an "authentic" translation would be since the original texts are all pretty much lost. I've seen example after example of pieces of text mistranslated from the Hebrew or Greek.
 
canadian_kor said:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians. When I say Christians, they are those who believe in the early church creeds (the Apostles Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Chalcedonian Creed). Jehovah's Witnesses reject the Trinity and deny that Jesus is God. Also, they use a corrupt Bible that mistranslates the original Hebrew and Greek.
Trinity & Jesus=God dogma are not necessary prerequisites to be Christian. Early Christians had a wide variety of beliefs, only a church council in the 4th century decided about some matters of dispute. But for what I know, it's not really necessary to belong to the church (which one, anyway?) to be considered Christian.
 
bossel said:
Trinity & Jesus=God dogma are not necessary prerequisites to be Christian. Early Christians had a wide variety of beliefs, only a church council in the 4th century decided about some matters of dispute. But for what I know, it's not really necessary to belong to the church (which one, anyway?) to be considered Christian.

True, true. Many of the early "Christians" were Arians (not Aryan). However, if one were to consider the Bible as the inspired Word of God, then you must take John 1:1 very seriously. I don't see how one can claim to be a Christian and still throw away or mishandle certain passages in the Bible.

Fantt said:
I don't think the Jehovah's Witnesses even consider themselves to be Christians. As for a mistranslated Bible, from what I can tell, it's pretty close to impossible to figure out what an "authentic" translation would be since the original texts are all pretty much lost. I've seen example after example of pieces of text mistranslated from the Hebrew or Greek.

Right. Biblical scholars are still up in the air on the original manuscripts. However, someone who professes to be a Christian would acknowledge that the modern translations that we have now is derived from the inspired text.
 
However, someone who professes to be a Christian would acknowledge that the modern translations that we have now is derived from the inspired text.

How would you know what a random Christian would aknowledge? Also, not all Christians agree on what an "authentic" text is. I know lots of Protestants who believe that the ONLY version of the bible which should be considered authentic is the KJV. The Catholics have a different bible.

Gnostic Christians have their own holy texts. I would guess the Greek and Russian Orthodox Christians have bibles different than yours.
 
canadian_kor said:
True, true. Many of the early "Christians" were Arians (not Aryan). However, if one were to consider the Bible as the inspired Word of God, then you must take John 1:1 very seriously. I don't see how one can claim to be a Christian and still throw away or mishandle certain passages in the Bible.
The Bible is obviously open to interpretation. If you think, that all those who don't follow your interpretation are not really Christians, then be it. It's all a matter of belief, anyway. I've seen Southern Baptists call the pope a messenger from hell (or something like that). :D

Whether someone is a Christian is very obviously also a matter of definition.

From M-W:
1 a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ b (1) : DISCIPLE 2 (2) : a member of one of the Churches of Christ separating from the Disciples of Christ in 1906 (3) : a member of the Christian denomination having part in the union of the United Church of Christ concluded in 1961
2 : the hero in Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress

Looking at the OED you'll find even more definitions.
 
Personally, I REALLY don't like people who try to force their religion on other people. I guess most Japanese really like America and want to be American, so they'll think converting is American. IT'S NOT. In fact, its almost the opposite. America is about freedom of thought, not conformity!
 
Pandoraknight said:
Personally, I REALLY don't like people who try to force their religion on other people. I guess most Japanese really like America and want to be American, so they'll think converting is American. IT'S NOT. In fact, its almost the opposite. America is about freedom of thought, not conformity!

Nobody ever said forcing one's own religion down someone's throat.
 
canadian_kor said:
Nobody ever said forcing one's own religion down someone's throat.

Ya, but I've been to missionaries, I've had to grow up with people like that--it's pretty much shunning you if you don't convert. May I cite the missionaries here in California who killed the Indians that didnt convert?
 
TwistedMac said:
hehe.. they still claim that? And you buy it?.. You people are so gullible.

I don't know about you, I prefer to buy freedom of thought and encourage it than tell everyone what you just told me. But that's just me. :?
 
I prefer fighting for it, instead of just buying that you have it...

From the other side of the ocean, you people are looking less and less like the land of free speech and free thought.

You don't even allow gay marriages.
Free thought, as long as you think like the rest.
 
Just don't read the wrong books or go to the wrong websites or say the wrong things in an online forum. Don't associate with the wrong people. If you want to be happy, make sure you take government approved pharmaceuticals - don't consume certain herbs or fungi. Don't join the wrong religion or try to start one yourself. Don't express yourself artistically in public without approval. Don't take your shirt off, don't kiss a member of your sex in public. Don't tell us you won't say "under God" when you say the Pledge of Allegiance. Don't complain about collusions of church and state. Don't teach certain things. Don't consider evolution as anything othr than an opinion. Don't criticize the President. Don't criticize the war. If you have an opinion, make sure it's from one of two "approved" sides.

Yay freedom!

EDIT: The above is mainly just me ranting. I do think that we live in a mostly free society which is much more tolerant than it's been in the past. Things change slowly - slower in the US than in Europe, and in time the US will be much more tolerant.
 
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Fantt said:
Just don't read the wrong books or go to the wrong websites or say the wrong things in an online forum. Don't associate with the wrong people. If you want to be happy, make sure you take government approved pharmaceuticals - don't consume certain herbs or fungi. Don't join the wrong religion or try to start one yourself. Don't express yourself artistically in public without approval. Don't take your shirt off, don't kiss a member of your sex in public. Don't tell us you won't say "under God" when you say the Pledge of Allegiance. Don't complain about collusions of church and state. Don't teach certain things. Don't consider evolution as anything othr than an opinion. Don't criticize the President. Don't criticize the war. If you have an opinion, make sure it's from one of two "approved" sides.

Yay freedom!

EDIT: The above is mainly just me ranting. I do think that we live in a mostly free society which is much more tolerant than it's been in the past. Things change slowly - slower in the US than in Europe, and in time the US will be much more tolerant.


I like the way you think!

And my orignal point is that missionaries definitaly don't encourage free thought.
 
Hardly anyone or anything encourages free thought. We're constantly bombarded with messages, mostly non-religious, to be part of the herd, to conform, and to shut up and take it like a real man. Brand names, conspicuous consumption, exchanging pieces of paper for food and shelter, all these things and more are constructs used (not necessarily consciously) to keep us from thinking for ourselves. If we all thought for ourselves, I think everyone would be more satisfied and happy, and there's not as much profit to be made in that situation.
 
People who think that all they need to know, and all the rules for life, are contained in a some book are crazy. They've been given a brain by mistake, because they aren't using it to figure this stuff out for themselves.

"well i have a few point to make on this.
firstly, whoever said that the japanese are infidels, please do your homework before you accuse christian missionaries of using such words. it is islam that calls the nonislamics infidels. christians do not."

Hey kaelrysh, how 'bout you pick up a good history of Europe, and the Middle East, and flip through to a couple of juicy sections (instead of fundamentalist religious texts)
I recommend:
1) Christian conversion drives in Europe after the fall of the Roman Empire
2) The Crusades
3) The Catholic Inquistion
4) The Thirty Years War
Or any other time in which your religion has been used as an excuse to murder, exploit, cheat, lie, and oppress people. Many people seem to have very little understanding of history, but when you combine this with religious fervour, it's the worst mix.
Here's some words that leaders of Christianity have used, which are used in a derogatory fashion towards one group or another:
heathens
pagans
heretics
saracens

As for missionaries in Japan, I think they should all get the arse. There is so much arrogance involved in arriving at a place with the sole purpose of making them like you. These people don't understand the history or culture of Japan. They use misinformation and intimidating tactics to convert people, and they are
Mormons occasionally stand outside my university and hand out leaflets and try to convert people. How about I travel to Utah and get a team of well organised atheists to help people understand why what they believe is a load of crap and has a whole truckload of negative consequences for the individual as well as the society.
You can see that it doesn't work the other way, that these people would really dislike a foreigner just showing up and telling them why they're wrong.
These missionary bums should do an apprenticeship or study for a degree or whatever and become useful members of society, rather peddling their crap. Someone who can design better ploughs, or invent new strains of wheat, or write great poetry, people who actually DO stuff are what we should value, not people who are working in a field in which there is no measure of success and no tangible benefit. Jamming propaganda down someone's throat is really the pits.
One of the best things about Buddhism is the moderation that it promotes, the "Middle Way". Religion is fine, it's just when people value ghosty-spirity things as more important than the people they live with, that you have problems. Like, for example, forbidding a child to take part in Xmas celebrations. The mum values her religion over her kid. The kid probably doesn't understand why it's happening and would tend to rationalise it that it was her fault, or she was bad or something. That mum needs to wake up to herself.
In australia we call these people 'god-botherers' but i can tell you they bother a lot of other people too.
 
Did you know that the Inquisition tortured and killed 200,000 people?!
 
Buntaro said:
Did you know that the Inquisition tortured and killed 200,000 people?!
Nope, didn't know. Where did you get that number from? Seems exaggerated (or did you count both dead & surviving victims?).
 
Bossel,

The source was the book, "We Don't Die", by Martin and Romanowski, published by Berkley Books, 1988. There is a bibliography in the back of the book, in case there is a need to see where they got that quote from.
 
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