Korean History Dilemma
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Pro-Japan Collaborators Wealth Confiscated
An independent commission probing pro-Japanese collaborators' wealth built up during Japanese colonial rule (1910~1945) ruled that 41 billion won ($43 million) worth of properties owned by seven collaborators should be returned to the nation.
Pro-Japan Collaborators Wealth Confiscated
This news is not about 50 or 60 years ago, but today (February 28, 2008).
So everybody can see how much Koreans are struggling with history.
During Japanese annexation of Korea, they were the second-class citizen of Imperial Japan, but instead they could have been developed by Japan in terms of economy, education and technology. Unless it was not annexed by Japan, Korea must have been colonized by Russia. Then their history must be quite different from that of today.
In fact, North Korea was born wth a help of Soviet Russia, and NK is the most miserable country of the world.
In other words, without ex-pro-Japanese collaborators, South Korea does not exist.
Unless Koreans face up true history, they may track the same path again -i.e. ruined.
I personally believe that Korean history dilenmma is getting worse, and becoming more paranoia. I hope their paranoid notion does not affect the rest of the world.
An independent commission probing pro-Japanese collaborators' wealth built up during Japanese colonial rule (1910~1945) ruled that 41 billion won ($43 million) worth of properties owned by seven collaborators should be returned to the nation.
Pro-Japan Collaborators Wealth Confiscated
This news is not about 50 or 60 years ago, but today (February 28, 2008).
So everybody can see how much Koreans are struggling with history.
During Japanese annexation of Korea, they were the second-class citizen of Imperial Japan, but instead they could have been developed by Japan in terms of economy, education and technology. Unless it was not annexed by Japan, Korea must have been colonized by Russia. Then their history must be quite different from that of today.
In fact, North Korea was born wth a help of Soviet Russia, and NK is the most miserable country of the world.
In other words, without ex-pro-Japanese collaborators, South Korea does not exist.
Unless Koreans face up true history, they may track the same path again -i.e. ruined.
I personally believe that Korean history dilenmma is getting worse, and becoming more paranoia. I hope their paranoid notion does not affect the rest of the world.
Astroboy
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I fully understand that Koreans want unification .... like German unification. So Koreans seek the same path as Germans....
I don't know German history dilenmma, but I'm sure that there must be some similarity between 2 nations.
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/03/19/korea.nazi/
I don't know German history dilenmma, but I'm sure that there must be some similarity between 2 nations.
tokapi
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OMG ...
Finally,there is a wiki page thoroughly explains 恨 ( a K-national cultural trait )
Old ones between Japan and Germany, you mean, only, we worked ours out . .
Germany–Japan relations - Wikipedia
it sometimes causes riots, arson .......
if they got angry, their action and mind lost discrimination..
for example,
here is an interesting manual of how to treat korean soldiers at that time..
http://sea.ap.teacup.com/nikkeif/img/1145029997.jpg
as for during Annexation,Did their typical character changed?
NO.
Japanese and korean got along well though Japan ppl was dominated.
How do it become it if there was a rumor of the compulsory comfort woman by the Japanese army?
even At that time, it is likely to have become a big problem....
we saw a skating dance by korean team in world cup 2002.
it was cased by judgement of SLC winter olympics.
I admit this Han makes them strog enegy for korean in the competition.
However ,Japan is not a competition with Korea like ballgame.
I think it is a just Zero sum game each other.
that is, Korean standpoint improves by beating the other party because their spirit came from Han.
Han in the subconsciousness appears in the unconscious action.
so does in the national character.
i think They are surely making an effort. However, it is not rewarding bacause of Han and nagative mind.
it make a Dilemma, too
http://bbs.enjoykorea.jp/tbbs/read.php?board_id=pvillage&nid=46284.
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tokapi
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as for during Annexation,Did their typical 恨 character changed ? NO
I admit this Han 恨 makes them strong enegy for Korean in the competition.However,Japan is not a competition with Korea like ballgame.I think it is a just Zero sum game each other.
That is, Korean standpoint improves by beating the other party because their spirit came from Han 恨.Han 恨 in the subconsciousness appears in the unconscious action,so does in the national character 恨.
Well,Koreans are self-proclaimed " worshippers " of 恨.Their unique definition of 恨 is " 怨恨 unavenged grudge " not " 仇恨 "
According to 金大中,恨 culture is already an entrenched Korean national character.恨 gives Korean race a breath of hope in face of endless defeats.Because them & country are so consumed in 恨,it's a conform zone & also encouragement to face their enemies.He thinks Korean people rely on 恨の哲学 to overcome all odds.
* 情恨は韓国の文化
クレアモントから ２ 民衆神学と恨の神学 - 歴程日誌 ー創造的無と統合的経験ー
Astroboy
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South Korea (Republic of Korea) = 韓国 or Kan Koku (in Japanese) = Han Guk (in Korean)
Because "Grudge" is pronunciated "Han" and "Country" is "Guk" in Korean, official name of South Korea literally means "Grudge Country".
South Korea - Wikipedia
Because "Grudge" is pronunciated "Han" and "Country" is "Guk" in Korean, official name of South Korea literally means "Grudge Country".
South Korea - Wikipedia
Correct would be:
Han itself has several meanings, not just one, beside for Koreans in general, and the first one is meant, btw, not what others make out of it:
Han - Wikipedia
The countries present name: "Tae Han Min Guk", short Han guk, and Han means only Corean or Korean in general, thus the short name han guk (or gook>country), Korean country.
more here:Global Industry Market Sizing - NationMaster
Also from there, the older Joseon (Choson), another origin, often used, and still cited in the original meaning for Korea:
Another interesting read is here, about Corea or Korea:
http://www.medeasin.com/coreaspelling.htm
Han itself has several meanings, not just one, beside for Koreans in general, and the first one is meant, btw, not what others make out of it:
Han - Wikipedia
The countries present name: "Tae Han Min Guk", short Han guk, and Han means only Corean or Korean in general, thus the short name han guk (or gook>country), Korean country.
more here:Global Industry Market Sizing - NationMaster
Also from there, the older Joseon (Choson), another origin, often used, and still cited in the original meaning for Korea:
Another interesting read is here, about Corea or Korea:
http://www.medeasin.com/coreaspelling.htm
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tokapi
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The word " Khan " means leader not great," 成吉思汗 " is Genghis Khan's Chinese-Kanji transliterated name " Genghis the Leader ",Back then and even today,Mongols ( also other Nomadic clans ) never had surnames only go by their given names.
The formal meaning for 汗 is perspiration or sweat in Chinese,so those ancient Koreans selected a Kanji 韓 ( Han ) had the closest pronunciation.They surely didn't want to named own country " land of perspiration " or " sweat nation ".
MDBG English to Chinese dictionary
Genghis Khan - Wikipedia
The formal meaning for 汗 is perspiration or sweat in Chinese,so those ancient Koreans selected a Kanji 韓 ( Han ) had the closest pronunciation.They surely didn't want to named own country " land of perspiration " or " sweat nation ".
MDBG English to Chinese dictionary
Genghis Khan - Wikipedia
I speak Chinese and know, that many Hanzi have many meanings, never only one, (it is very associative, you can have easily more than 20 different variations, even if close!) and are mostly not spoken nor written right in our books, and still change. . ., particularly if I consider the way, chinsese people speak this, and also Koreans. Just to remember all the different Baik, Baek, Paik, Paeks etc., who are all the same name.
I suppose, even the Chinese had problems to translate Mongol language and writings. . .
A close resemblance (not identity) to Khan in fact makes a lot of sense, thanks for this, also for the links (I only had a book about D K some years ago, but it was very interesting)!
I suppose, even the Chinese had problems to translate Mongol language and writings. . .
A close resemblance (not identity) to Khan in fact makes a lot of sense, thanks for this, also for the links (I only had a book about D K some years ago, but it was very interesting)!
tokapi
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Koreans don't speak Sino-Tibetan based Chinese dialects,but their language has countless Sino-Korean vocabularies include Chinese-Kanji transliterations of indigenous words.
Various romanizations of 朴,Bak Pak Baek derived from the legend of " 朴赫居世 -Pak Hyeokgose '.It was an ancient Chosun ( Gojoseon ) myth.The ruling family of Silla named itself " House of Bak Hyeokgose " to legitimized the throne as successor of Ancient Chosun Kingdom.
Hyeokgeose of Silla - Wikipedia
Various romanizations of 朴,Bak Pak Baek derived from the legend of " 朴赫居世 -Pak Hyeokgose '.It was an ancient Chosun ( Gojoseon ) myth.The ruling family of Silla named itself " House of Bak Hyeokgose " to legitimized the throne as successor of Ancient Chosun Kingdom.
Hyeokgeose of Silla - Wikipedia
Sorry, I am not a linguistic specialist and will have to research more. Of course, Koreans do it their way, but the way they do it, is similar. There is this living flow, one has to consider, in pictures (thus written words, since they were all associative picture based before) as well as in sounds.
What is Bak Hyeokgose? I promise to google, in case. . .I love stories and legends in general.
OOps, I always end up in the China History Forum with half knowledges. . .
Maybe I have to ask my korean friends directly. . .also their embassy is round the corner. . .I am sure, they like such questions once more.
What is Bak Hyeokgose? I promise to google, in case. . .I love stories and legends in general.
OOps, I always end up in the China History Forum with half knowledges. . .
Maybe I have to ask my korean friends directly. . .also their embassy is round the corner. . .I am sure, they like such questions once more.
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Just please let us know more about the history dilemma, epspecially aruguments for what may become of that in the near future.
My opinion--and this is only an opinion at the moment--is that none of it should really matter. History is just that, and what can be in the future need not be acted on due to history. What do you think, Astroboy?
My opinion--and this is only an opinion at the moment--is that none of it should really matter. History is just that, and what can be in the future need not be acted on due to history. What do you think, Astroboy?
Those herabout have no dilemma, same with my friends in Korea, and I support their (inner) roots, we just walk on, forwards. . .I refuse onesided thinking anyhow, in general.
And not to forget, they have their man in the UN, on a top position
Mr. Ban Ki-Moon
Ban Ki-moon - Wikipedia,
an interesting read for a start, also in relation to Korea's present or latest politic and possible future paths.
. . .
And not to forget, they have their man in the UN, on a top position
Mr. Ban Ki-Moon
Ban Ki-moon - Wikipedia,
an interesting read for a start, also in relation to Korea's present or latest politic and possible future paths.
. . .
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tokapi
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Ask your K friends for the name of ancient Korean scholar Shin ( 申 or 辛 ) who spent nearly 20 years in present day Liaoning province ( formerly Liao-Dong peninsula 遼東半島 ) with a Ming Dynasty Han-Chinese ( *明朝翰林學士 named 黃鑽 ) linguist for his expertise in Mongol phonetics.Korea's Hangul was based on Mongol " Phaspa " script.
Liaoning - Wikipedia
Liaodong Peninsula - Wikipedia
* MDBG English to Chinese dictionary
Liaoning - Wikipedia
Liaodong Peninsula - Wikipedia
* MDBG English to Chinese dictionary
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And, if I may add, how it relates to Japan.
Astroboy
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Today and Future shall be a result of the past.
In order to understand Japan's relation with its neighbouring countries, we better explore the history. In fact, Chinese and Koreans Love History.
So, I am posting here to gain a clear understanding of what the real hisotry lies behind the scene. --- Not fabricated history.
Don't you think so?
Thank you, tokapi! I did not know this, very interesting indeed, and it needs some homework. . .
Yet, as an artist, I also stick to their kind of perception in general (which I know quite well), and is strongly based also on old Chinese wisdom and teachings and thus trainings, and that is very flowing and associative, as described, yet strongly "earthed".
Great, how they find their own expressions with the hangul in all this, without forgetting the goodies from others, but rebuffing to be assimilated.
We have loads of artwork from them all over the world, who show, that this is very alive and well and very capable of relating to changes and sufferings, without losing themselves. In fact, they are even encouraging to others, not to give up, as we know them very well from here.
If you ever had a Korean nurse, as only one example, you may get an idea.
And that is a very important factor also for the future.
tokapi
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The 'sandwich analogy' of late has its roots in history as well as the current situation. The 'sandwich analogy' has its roots in Korea's victim mentality and feelings of being in crisis. Korea is surrounded by four strong nations: China, Russia, Japan, and the U.S. Korea saw many nations clash and observed many nations fall and become divided in the modern era. This left an inerasable scar on Koreans. Koreans became worried that they would be hurt in the battles of the big nations around them.
So,Korean Dilemma is real indeed.
* For complete article,read post#7 ...
Korean Fate
So,Korean Dilemma is real indeed.
* For complete article,read post#7 ...
Korean Fate
tokapi
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Sure ....
My direct source was a book titles 韓國的智慧 ( Korea's Intelligence ).King Sejong personally commisioned scholar Shin on 13 plus interval trips to Liao-Dong peninsula for consultation with 明朝翰林學士 named 黃鑽,who instrumentally lent a hand to the final development of Hangul.He is referenced in Chosun Annals' 東國文獻備考 " 訓民正音 " for his contributions.
http://www.ireading.cc/book/book.aspx?bid=00161241
