IsaacDavid
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Japanese is my favorite language.but i think that in my own i will not understand it thoroughly and completely unless that i make a course.what do you think?
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Do you maybe mean to take (go to) a course? If so I think it's a good idea. Everybody learns differently but it's good to have the structure that a proper course and teacher provides.Japanese is my favorite language.but i think that in my own i will not understand it thoroughly and completely unless that i make a course.what do you think?
Yes i mean to take a course.i'm not a english native speaker.Do you maybe mean to take (go to) a course? If so I think it's a good idea. Everybody learns differently but it's good to have the structure that a proper course and teacher provides.
Thanks for your advice.To teach is to learn twice, as they say. I think it's important to be up front with your own abilities and not present yourself as an expert if you're just a language enthusiast. Do small, bite-sized lessons, share them and try to get feedback from fluent and near-fluent speakers, to make sure you aren't making incorrect assertions. It's also good to get feedback from new learners; the goal for me is to take something that's seemingly complex, and explain it in a way that a beginner will learn at least one new thing. My tendency is to over-explain, because all the information is connected in my brain and I feel like I have to explain it all for people to get the whole picture, but that's actually a bad teaching method because people can only handle so much new information before the law of diminishing returns sets in.
I've often thought of making Japanese lessons, and in the past I actually have made a few worksheets to explain grammar points... but I'm sure I'm still tumbling down the leeward slope of "mount stupid" on the Dunning-Kruger chart, as I'm constantly discovering new things I didn't know in Japanese.
Japanese is definitely easier than English grammatically. It's the writing system that makes it difficult.In my experience investigating languages i can say certainly that japanese is the most difficult.
If you wrote the above without any translation aids after learning English only with a dictionary that's very impressive indeed.I learned english with only a dictionary and i understand any book in english.i wouldn't say the same about japanese.japanese grammar is indeed more complex.
I have many languages grammar books and dictionnaries and books in different languages and i've discovered that i can read more easily arabic,chinese,korean..that japanese.when i read a japanese grammar book(dictionary of basic japanese) i was amazed as wrote bentenmusume above by the the difficulty of the subtle nuances of particles, relative clauses, subtle phrasing distinctions...etc.anyone that have read that book(and more advanced ones) know about what i'm speaking.We could also get into what does it mean to say one can speak a language. I took 7 languages but I certainly do not speak them. At one point in my life I could kind of get by in 3 now I am down to two with Japanese used at home to attempt to raise my kids to be billingual (in addition to going to Japanese school). My first hanzi were Chinese (Mandarin) in elemetary school but I remember so little. Speaking is not native, I guess basic daily conversation? What is fluent? flows well is what I figure even if we have an accent and make mistakes. I certainly disagree with Issac and figure he must be quite young to make such a statement definitively claiming Japanese is the most difficult. yes the grammer is different from English and I will never get to native level but I find it more easier than some. I got to see more of some weirdness from English by way of my Japanese wife he speaks rather limited English, I think English is a bit of a mess due to its history. On Chinese sure the grammar may be a bit easier for an English speaker but the tones are not nor the hanzi.
Yeah, you're preaching to the choir here. I shudder every time I have to look at my phone to remember how to write a kanji that I would have known cold back in my college or grad school days. Being able to use IME 変換 helps me come off as far more erudite than the utter fool I'd appear to be if I was writing out all my professional correspondence by hand.mdchachi said:Thank God for all the electronic crutches we have available to us these days!
I've decided to take a course.Yes, those Dictionaries of Basic/Intermediate/Advanced Japanese Grammar (the ones by Makino and Tsutsui, yes?) were among my favorite resources back when I was learning the language in university, and later teaching/tutoring it in grad school. I recommend them to all learners.
But the good news is that if you already have an appreciation for these subtle distinctions, you have a much better chance at mastering/internalizing them (with enough practice and exposure, of course), as compared to another language learner who doesn't notice/care about them at all.
In any event, if you're motivated to learn the language and have good resources at your side, I don't imagine there's anything stopping you from improving your skills. I hope you'll continue to post here with your questions and thoughts on the language as you progress through your studies.
My contact with japanese was with a pocket japanese dictionary.i was attracted inmediately.and i looked for more about japanese.in the course of my search as i investigated more about the structure of japanese it became more beatiful and i fall in love with the language.i have to say that its difficulty also amazed me and attracted me.I have another question for you, do you want to take Japanese only because it is hard or do you want to do something with it? Either way is OK. As I mentioned I took courses in many languages (rather than glancing at a couple books and making definitive proclamations about the languages) but many of them I did not have much I wanted to do with them other than some curiosity about the language so they basically went away. If you want to retain a language you need to have something you want to do with it, not sure that is your goal though.
How you learned your current japanese? What's your level of japanese?We could also get into what does it mean to say one can speak a language. I took 7 languages but I certainly do not speak them. At one point in my life I could kind of get by in 3 now I am down to two with Japanese used at home to attempt to raise my kids to be billingual (in addition to going to Japanese school). My first hanzi were Chinese (Mandarin) in elemetary school but I remember so little. Speaking is not native, I guess basic daily conversation? What is fluent? flows well is what I figure even if we have an accent and make mistakes. I certainly disagree with Issac and figure he must be quite young to make such a statement definitively claiming Japanese is the most difficult. yes the grammer is different from English and I will never get to native level but I find it more easier than some. I got to see more of some weirdness from English by way of my Japanese wife he speaks rather limited English, I think English is a bit of a mess due to its history. On Chinese sure the grammar may be a bit easier for an English speaker but the tones are not nor the hanzi.
did I misunderstand the original post? I thought you said "make a course," but looks like you meant to write "take a course"?I've decided to take a course.
I'm not native english speaker.did I misunderstand the original post? I thought you said "make a course," but looks like you meant to write "take a course"?