Japan and Uniform Codes for Students!

[JimmySeal]

7) What about hair styles? Are their any kind of restrictments towards that, or make up? ( God I hope not lol )

In my school, students are not allowed to wear makeup or dye their hair, and I've never seen a student with makeup or dyed hair. Most of the female teachers wear light makeup (as in face powder, mascara, and subtle lipstick) and the younger ones often tint their hair lighter brown, but if anyone ever came in with green hair the principal would probably have a heart attack.

 

[MajideSaiaku]

A bit of advice, I've yet to hear about a western manga artist making it big with manga about japan.

Infact the only western manga artists i do know arent really what one would considor big-time in the comic industry.

My advice is if your still going to try and make a "realistic" manga about a country you only have tit-bits of infomation about, i suggest you research this new manga idea to death, i mean big-time.

Also dont expect it to ever sell in Japan.....ever.....sorry its a harsh lesson but i learned it myself and reality is more important then fantasy, the Japanese entertainment industry apart from hollywood movies and some western pop-music is entirely self-sustaining, their manga is their own, most of their music is their own, the anime and manga industry especially is very self protective and defensive against outside foreign intrusion.

Perhaps a story about an alien girl comming to aschool in your country or something, that way you know the setting of the comic off by heart and since the girl is an alien you can take all the artistic liberties you want.

Good luck with your little project, i hope you make some success of it, i've had plenty of manga projects in my teens, but i eventually met the truth that it would take a really special and dedicated artist to break the limits and fight the world to do what no western manga artist really has, and get a real job :S, hopefully you'll be different, who knows.

Also i apologise if the responses seem less then entirely ultimately helpful, many of the regular members here are adults who live/lived in japan or are Japanese, as such we are detached from the be nice to everyone beyond reason attitude that i admire from the Japanophile community, were not any sort of real Anime fans as you would understand the term to mean, and this isnt an Anime forum, we do however try to share our experience of Japan with new-comers to help them in anyway we can, so if you can bear with our sometimes blunt attitudes im sure we can teach you what you need to know of japan.

Enjoy your stay.

 

[MajideSaiaku]

In my school, students are not allowed to wear makeup or dye their hair, and I've never seen a student with makeup or dyed hair. Most of the female teachers wear light makeup (as in face powder, mascara, and subtle lipstick) and the younger ones often tint their hair lighter brown, but if anyone ever came in with green hair the principal would probably have a heart attack.

The only day i wore full school dress code uniform was my first day of school.

In britain its ussually okay to wear casual uniform, or have dyed hair.

I dunno how it is now, but its steadily going towards allowing kids to wear whatever they fancy.

I think this attitude game about since i read articles that said students could better concentrate and stuff in the comfort of their own clothes and that uniforms are uncomfortable and the general sense that they are relics of the victorian ages or something.

Theres 4 schools all within the small city centre of my home city so, there's always been lots of kids with uniforms about.

 

[Mycernius]

I think uniforms are a good idea, personally. Okay, you don't like them when you're at school, but when you have left you start to get a better idea on uniforms and their advantages. Firstly, if you have had any trouble with kids coming to and from school, especially shopkeepers, a uniform helps identify where the kid is from and you can address your grievence at the school. secondly, with children and their needing designer labels fro everything, uniforms cut this out during school hours. There is no competeing on who has the best trainers or jeans. Everyone is on a level playing field, so children whose parents cannot afford designer clothes are not under as much pressure to buy them so they can be shown off at schools. Thirdly, beacsue everyone is dressed the same there is left theft of property. Why pinch a school blazer when you have one exactly like it? Again it is down to designer clothes and the haves and have nots.

I dunno how it is now, but its steadily going towards allowing kids to wear whatever they fancy.

Really? I found that over the years more schools seem to opting for uniforms. Maybe that is just local

I think this attitude game about since i read articles that said students could better concentrate and stuff in the comfort of their own clothes and that uniforms are uncomfortable and the general sense that they are relics of the victorian ages or something.

Sounds like some liberal talk, trying to explain why kids are rowdy. Bull as far as I'm concerned. Just will not accept that one of the problems is disipline in schools and homes. Can't blame it on the kids anymore, it must be some thing else, Yeah, right. A good uniform is as uncomfortable as normal clothes. In fact when you see what some kids wear I would say a uniform is more comfortable. Plus it is a form of disipline that they could do well to learn.

 

[misa.j]

Everyone is on a level playing field, so children whose parents cannot afford designer clothes are not under as much pressure to buy them so they can be shown off at schools.

I kind of agree except that school uniforms tend to be more expensive than regular clothes, and they need to be dry-cleaned.

I also think that girls should have a choice to wear pants as well as a skirt especially in the winter. In my high school, most kids rode their bikes to school; it got tiring to get my skirt caught in the chain of my bike.

 

[sabro]

Somedays I really feel like uniforms would do a world of good in American schools. I know they had some brief success in Long Beach, but support tapered off.

 

[JimmySeal]

The only day i wore full school dress code uniform was my first day of school.
In britain its ussually okay to wear casual uniform, or have dyed hair.
I dunno how it is now, but its steadily going towards allowing kids to wear whatever they fancy.
I think this attitude game about since i read articles that said students could better concentrate and stuff in the comfort of their own clothes and that uniforms are uncomfortable and the general sense that they are relics of the victorian ages or something.

Ok... but this thread has nothing to do with Scotland. Japan never had a Victorian era.

Theres 4 schools all within the small city centre of my home city so, there's always been lots of kids with uniforms about.

There are 4 schools
there have always been

 

[Hachiro]

There are 4 schools
there have always been

Ok....So this isn't a thread about English grammar either, what's your point?


Now in an attempt to bring it back on topic.

) What about hair styles? Are their any kind of restrictments towards that, or make up? ( God I hope not lol )
I have not heard of any school that did not have strict restrictions on hair styles and make-up. It's just that no one pays attention to them.

Yes, school's have hair and make-up restrictions as well. Like nice gaijin wrote many to not pay attention to the rules that they themselves have created.

This also ties into a number of different problems regarding the discipline or lack of, seen in many Japanese schools. That is and of itself a totally different topic.

Hair restrictions can be somewhat difficult to enforce, but hairstyles that are not generally accepted in a "typical" business environment would not be allowed in a school. Students that dyed their hair would most likely be forced to dye their hair back to it's original/natural color.

Also remember that there are HUGE variations between the rules in JHS and HS.


I have worked "seito shidou" (Student Discipline) for a number of years in a Japanese HS and in the school I was in we actually kicked out a number of students during the course of one school year purely for uniform violations. Dyed hair, make-up, earrings, short-short-short skirts, to name a few. As HS education is not mandatory education in Japan there is more leeway in regards to the rules and what course of action maybe taken with students.

However since JHS is a part of the compulsatory education here schools and teachers have less tools to use in regards to punishing students for any offenses including uniform violations. If a student chose not to wear their uniform to school, they would not be allowed into the classroom, and in many cases would have their parents notified and taken home to change into proper school attire.

 

[MajideSaiaku]

Taking language advice from an American...haha, the irony...

You are though correct, but because your post smacks of baseless hostility towards my harmless comment and observation, i have come to the conclusion your what in real life is considored a jerk.

Ok... but this thread has nothing to do with Scotland. Japan never had a Victorian era.

The General japanese attitude of the post meiji-restoration up to not long before WW2 seems similar to the victorian mindset.

I didnt say it did have anything to do with Scotland, i pointed out the difference between japan and Scotland, since were talking about school uniforms.
Do you have a reason for being a tit or do you just randomly spout nonsense in an attempt to generally inflate your sense of self-worth which is otherwise flagging and found wanting?.

As a final note, people who pick on little grammar issues, especially for no reason other then to be a smartass, are ussually disregarded as un-necissary to the discussion and as such ignored.

Back on topic, i reckon Japanese are more willing to wear uniform is because of two factors.

A) Japanese school expect you to wear it and
B) Japanese students want to wear it.

Of course I'm not in a position to poll a high-school of japanese students so i dont have a more indepth spread of opinion as to why Japanese wear school uniforms but yeah, mandatory dress-code and want would be a good guess.

 

[JimmySeal]

Taking language advice from an American...haha, the irony...

Nothing ironic about it. Just because the UK claims to be superior to the US, that doesn't mean it is. It's no coincidence that 8 of the top 10 universities in the world are on American soil, including #1.

Do you have a reason for being a tit or do you just randomly spout nonsense in an attempt to generally inflate your sense of self-worth which is otherwise flagging and found wanting?.

Yes, your post was completely irrelevant. Also it was making my head hurt. Seriously, is English your first language? It doesn't show.

 

[Tsuyoiko]

Come on guys, let's stay on topic. This forum doesn't demand perfect grammar, and general comments on school uniform are fine, IMO. So, no more personal jabs, thanks.

 

[Mars Man]

:jama: Howdy folks !! Wow. Now I can understand your concerns and reasons, Mycernius, about uniforms, but my sentiments are the opposite.

Well, now, according to my son Sho, who is presently a senior at Matsumoto Kougyo Highschool--one which does not have the uniform code--uniforms do something under the covers in a dark room behind locked doors. He's very happy to have been able to make it to a school which doesn't make its students all wear the same clothes.

Sho's JHS uniform set had cost some 25,000 plus yen, and we had to up-grade that as he grew in size, and roughness. Again, in some ways it was easier and more convenient, maybe, but we had to buy regular clothes for him anyway; to wear when not in school, so there was also a bit of overlapped, unnecessary purchasing.

I personally, don't like uniforms for schools.

 

[pipokun]

You can find a similar discussion ongoing in BBC, Have your say.
Don't read all opinions there, but I pick up some interesting ones there.

Added: Tuesday, 9 May, 2006, 18:03 GMT 19:03 UK
In the US, as some have mentioned, there are no school uniforms in the public schools. Growing up here I have seen horrific abuse toward the poorer children. It should be noted that differences in cultures indeed make this world a better, more interesting place, but anyone who doubt the cruelty of children is deluding themselves. Some kind of institution of uniforms with exception for religious or cultural expression would probably be the best plan.
Chris Kohls, Portland, OR

Added: Tuesday, 9 May, 2006, 17:08 GMT 18:08 UK
I grew up in Japan and spent 1st 6 grades without uniform and next 6 grades with uniforms, as everybody else did at that time. By 4th grade I was spending a lot of time and my parents' money on my clothing. From 7th grade it was no longer necessary. I could concentrate more on study, seriously! Thank the system! But Japan has been criticized for its militaristic schools. I believe critics are more concerned with Japan's military past and not for its peaceful future with educated citizens.
WRP, Los Angeles

 

[Hachiro]

If the "mod's" here delete threads for what ever reason, it would be NICE if they at least make a comment that they have done so. I expect that this post will be deleted out of hand so what ever you decide to do at least so some common respect when you do it.