is it all about the visual?

Kinsao · 31 Aug 2005

mizerable_d said:
i understand that, but i see a lot of people having to look at picture of pretty artists first to actually listen to them. i find that sad. also it kinda makes me a little sad that this forum is almost only about VK artists. everytime someone posts a thread about a different kind of band it gets eaten up very quickly and only very few people make posts in it, while the VK threads stay up for a really long time.

Yes, there are an awful lot of threads about VK artists on here. Hmmm... *thinks* Maybe it's that the visuals are our kind of 'light relief' in some way? :? But, it is also true that people share their music as well as their pics.

I was trying to think of non-VK bands that I like. It's kind of difficult because I really don't think about the look of the band too much. I mean, I don't really think of Diru as VK... or MUCC... or Laruku... or Gackt... and Aushvitz I don't have a clue about because there's not many pics of them around! Jinkaku Radio aren't VK either, and I like them... except I have only a couple of songs... I can't find... I guess I find it hard to define VK... I mean, most bands dress in some kinds of interesting outfits... but that's all part of the marketing... in the same way that UK and US pop bands are supposed to look a certain way in order to look good and appeal to the right markets...

Which threads are you thinking of that got eaten btw? I'm curious... I'm probably missing things... -runs off to look-

I'm not so fussed about people who have to look at pics of pretty bands before they listen to them - I mean, it is one way of getting into the music, after all! And if it's good music, then, thank tha laawd they also look nice enough to attract people to listen! Hehe - I'll search out anything just if I hear or see a name somewhere, I think 'I wonder what they sound like?' and look for their stuff, that's my way of getting into bands... but with SID, I saw some pics and I was like 'I want to paint them!' and then I'm like 'maaan, you haven't even heard them! You have to hear them!' and so I found out I like their music.

well their goal is to sell to the world isn't it? and in japan the record companies use their artists to make money, and the oversea is a good market. sadly i dont think the americans would appreciate their older style...

Oh, it is a good point that you make... but I still don't see Diru as being manipulated and also so shallow as that. Maybe I am wrong and over-estimating their... what do you call it?... integrity? :? But I would like to think not.

The only reason their goal would be to sell to the whole world, would be to communicate through their music. (I don't think it would be to make money - I'm sure they already have enough of money now! I credit them with the more 'artistic' intention!) And so, if they are only creating music in a certain style for the market and not for their own communication, it is valueless to them to sell to the whole world even. Because they would not be communicating what they want to get across, but only some product they were manipulated into producing. And I don't think they are intending to do that.

I don't explain myself very well. :sorry:

mizerable_d · 31 Aug 2005

Kinsao said:
Yes, there are an awful lot of threads about VK artists on here. Hmmm... *thinks* Maybe it's that the visuals are our kind of 'light relief' in some way? :? But, it is also true that people share their music as well as their pics.

I was trying to think of non-VK bands that I like. It's kind of difficult because I really don't think about the look of the band too much. I mean, I don't really think of Diru as VK... or MUCC... or Laruku... or Gackt... and Aushvitz I don't have a clue about because there's not many pics of them around! Jinkaku Radio aren't VK either, and I like them... except I have only a couple of songs... I can't find... I guess I find it hard to define VK... I mean, most bands dress in some kinds of interesting outfits... but that's all part of the marketing... in the same way that UK and US pop bands are supposed to look a certain way in order to look good and appeal to the right markets...

Which threads are you thinking of that got eaten btw? I'm curious... I'm probably missing things... -runs off to look-

I'm not so fussed about people who have to look at pics of pretty bands before they listen to them - I mean, it is one way of getting into the music, after all! And if it's good music, then, thank tha laawd they also look nice enough to attract people to listen! Hehe - I'll search out anything just if I hear or see a name somewhere, I think 'I wonder what they sound like?' and look for their stuff, that's my way of getting into bands... but with SID, I saw some pics and I was like 'I want to paint them!' and then I'm like 'maaan, you haven't even heard them! You have to hear them!' and so I found out I like their music.

i've tried to start some threads like GO!GO7188 and Fuji Fabric. they are not VK and very very few people relied to the post. no one is even interested in these guys although their music is SO good. but people are interested in VK bands, why? because of the pretty pictures.

Oh, it is a good point that you make... but I still don't see Diru as being manipulated and also so shallow as that. Maybe I am wrong and over-estimating their... what do you call it?... integrity? :? But I would like to think not.

The only reason their goal would be to sell to the whole world, would be to communicate through their music. (I don't think it would be to make money - I'm sure they already have enough of money now! I credit them with the more 'artistic' intention!) And so, if they are only creating music in a certain style for the market and not for their own communication, it is valueless to them to sell to the whole world even. Because they would not be communicating what they want to get across, but only some product they were manipulated into producing. And I don't think they are intending to do that.

I don't explain myself very well. :sorry:

Japanese record companies have a lot of control on their artists. never believe what message they appearantly send out.

Kinsao · 1 Sep 2005

mizerable_d said:
i've tried to start some threads like GO!GO7188 and Fuji Fabric. they are not VK and very very few people relied to the post.

oooohhh - I don't remember those :? I must go and look - I want to hear them if they're so good!

Japanese record companies have a lot of control on their artists. never believe what message they appearantly send out.

ok, I consider myself instructed! So maybe Diru really are only puppets of record company... oh well, I just listen... I don't have any full albums of theirs, so I can't say whether or not their songs begin to me to sound 'the same'...

mizerable_d · 1 Sep 2005

Kinsao said:
oooohhh - I don't remember those :? I must go and look - I want to hear them if they're so good!

ok, I consider myself instructed! So maybe Diru really are only puppets of record company... oh well, I just listen... I don't have any full albums of theirs, so I can't say whether or not their songs begin to me to sound 'the same'...

if i remember correctly, you posted in the GOGO7188 one...

i dont think Diru are complete "puppets", but the company has definatly got some power on them. plus the company also wants Diru to sell, as im sure Diru want that as well. if they don't sell, they get dropped.

Kinsao · 1 Sep 2005

Wow - I've just been back 11 pages only - so many good threads get left behind here. There was all sorts... someone started a thread on LaCryma Christie, and I was thinking of starting one on them because I'm looking for their stuff and I haven't found any.

Well, lots of visual threads which looked promising also got left behind, too...

Yay - I found the origin of jrocker cookies!

Hmm... I found the Fuji Fabric thread, which I had posted in! - but I couldn't find GOGO7188 thread :? I said I would look for Fuji Fabric... the hunt is on... four minutes to hometime! *puts on running shoes*

Sure I know bands are controlled bigtime by their record companies... it happens all over the place. I am not so naive but I still wish it to not be the case.

mizerable_d · 1 Sep 2005

Kinsao said:
Sure I know bands are controlled bigtime by their record companies... it happens all over the place. I am not so naive but I still wish it to not be the case.

i know it happenes everywhere, just more extreme in asia.

Fuji Fabric stuff is hard to find T_T i've only found 2 songs so far. i need to learn how to use slsk.

Kinsao · 1 Sep 2005

Aww... I looked on slsk just now but couldn't find anything at all. Still, maybe some day if I persevere........!
I used to use winmx but it causes Brian to have viruses.

mizerable_d · 1 Sep 2005

ooo... i cant use slsk for ****. im too lazy to try to figure it out.

Kaidan · 1 Sep 2005

hebiichigo said:
Dir en grey have been around for a long time. They have a HUGE list of songs. When they go on tour, they generally play the most recent songs that they've released. In order to promote those songs, doesn't it make sense? The people going to their lives now (generally) like the newer songs, so why would they play all the old stuff?

It was their 5 days concert thing. They had a day for every album they had out. Playing old favorites and the like.

Horizon said:
And how does she know that they don't care about their old songs anymore?

Have you ever gone in to some store or something and just KNOWN the people who work there don't want to be there. And they'll do their damndest not to do anything. It's kinda the vibe they were giving off. But hay, if you can't take that it's my opinion, go right ahead and flip out. I give you my permission. <3

Horizon said:
You were implying she liked the looks possibly more than the music however...

Can you blame her! I mean...have you ever seen Asparagus' vocalist? ******* HAWT! Jesus. Who wouldn't go for him. ;D (/sarcasm)

Horizon said:
People still like them and it's horribly unfair towards them to hear pissy, little ******* like Kaiden constantly bring down their band(s) just because they changed (apparently kind of like always)...

Sorry...my name is Kaidan. Two A's. Sounds nothing like Kaiden. I don't understand how everyone seems to fail that. Anyway, who cares if I diss the band. Public domain. I can state my opinion on them all I want. Get over it.

mizerable_d · 1 Sep 2005

O: Kaidan has landed...with her hearts!

Kaidan · 1 Sep 2005

mizerable_d said:
O: Kaidan has landed...with her hearts!

I blame you. <3

mizerable_d · 1 Sep 2005

Kaidan said:
I blame you. <3

but only if you come, this thread wont die off, but get more interesting!<3

Kaidan · 1 Sep 2005

mizerable_d said:
but only if you come, this thread wont die off, but get more interesting!<3

You know, I think I've been here before.

But if I have, I can't remember the username I used. Have any of you run into a Chairman Mao?

mizerable_d · 1 Sep 2005

Kaidan said:
You know, I think I've been here before.

But if I have, I can't remember the username I used. Have any of you run into a Chairman Mao?

...when was this? i only got on here last summer.

Kaidan · 1 Sep 2005

*shrugs*

It just looks familliar.

Kaidan · 1 Sep 2005

So anyway, I hate this post now. It got me thinking about Asparagus and how much I like their music.....AND NOW I CAN'T FIND MY CDS! SPITE.

mizerable_d · 1 Sep 2005

Kaidan said:
So anyway, I hate this post now. It got me thinking about Asparagus and how much I like their music.....AND NOW I CAN'T FIND MY CDS! SPITE.

o: thats not good.... i was hoping you can share...

Kaidan · 1 Sep 2005

Hah. Done.

I'll send with all you other people who aren't posting, too. Happy day.
Asparagus - Like a Dead

Kinsao · 1 Sep 2005

Hey thanks much, Kaidan!

Horizon · 1 Sep 2005

mizerable_d said:
i think she just have hard opinion on things and express them and backing her thought up. lets say, she's honest.

And yet I again I must ask 'and'? I have an extremely 'hard' (as you put it) opinion and I simply adore expressing them and backing up my opinion and I'm honest as well, brutally so. And, yet, still, I'm not going around, dissing a band just 'cause they changed, not to mention, again, talking as if I actually know what they're going through and what thoughts are racing through their little heads!

Kaidan said:
Have you ever gone in to some store or something and just KNOWN the people who work there don't want to be there. And they'll do their damndest not to do anything. It's kinda the vibe they were giving off. But hay, if you can't take that it's my opinion, go right ahead and flip out. I give you my permission. <3

You go by a vibe? A feeling? I'm not even going to comment on this one really... ☝

Can you blame her! I mean...have you ever seen Asparagus' vocalist? ******* HAWT! Jesus. Who wouldn't go for him. ;D (/sarcasm)

I'm now going to proceed to roll my eyes...

Sorry...my name is Kaidan. Two A's. Sounds nothing like Kaiden. I don't understand how everyone seems to fail that. Anyway, who cares if I diss the band. Public domain. I can state my opinion on them all I want. Get over it.

Ohhh...I misspelled it by one, single letter! lyk ohmigawd! 'Tis the completely and utter end of the world! The horsemen are coming! Run for your very souls!

And I don't seem to understand why people always go all like "get over it" when there is nothing to get over. I don't particularly care much to say the ultimate, very least, although good try anyway!

Furik · 1 Sep 2005

While visual is nice, I believe it all depends on the person. Music is the most important aspect of creating a good band. Visual might come second, and lyrics become third. Or maybe that's the other way around.. visual might be third. I know a lot of good bands who are great and are loved and their looks are the last thing to worry about.

SaKeVi · 1 Sep 2005

Hell yeah, what a fight!

Hmmm, maybe we all here know that VK isn't even a music style, is just a damn fashion all around japanese music since Mana dressed up like a drag queen years ago... then everybody saw the $$$ (or ﾂ･ﾂ･ﾂ･??) and tried to copy him, and now we have hundreds of BAD bands that sell only a stupid image instead of their music, and this bands just block away the good bands, like VK threads on this forum eat up another good or interesting threads, hahahahaha.

Damn it, where are bands like Murbas and Visual Violence?? if they were born again, surely they will die at the moment they see what happened to the Visual style they tried to create for Japan.

DeG is not the same, maybe mainstream changed them, but sometimes it looks like they don't care about what they are doing anymore, you can see it on the music quality of every album (and even singles) they've released.

It isn't also a brainwash or a boicot to say that DeG has changed for bad, it is just an opinion like all of you (we) have, and if some people can't get it in their head, is useless to be discussing here.

See ya!!

@Demon: I haven't opened slsk for a while (as you can see) because I'm again at school, also, if you need some live tapes from Framtid or another bands, I'll try to upload them to my computer, I have lots of cassete tapes but I don't know how to convert them into mp3, hahahaha. Help?? :?

Horizon · 1 Sep 2005

SaKeVi said:
DeG is not the same, maybe mainstream changed them, but sometimes it looks like they don't care about what they are doing anymore, you can see it on the music quality of every album (and even singles) they've released.

Looks can sure as Hell be horribly and bloody deceiving!

SaKeVi · 1 Sep 2005

Horizon said:
Looks can sure as Hell be horribly and bloody deceiving!

Ok.

They HAVE diminished its musical quality... happy now?? ☝

furan · 1 Sep 2005

well.....

before i was into Jrock... i was into lke, metal and such.... and.... they weren't too pretty.... BUT i loved them VERY much... infact, i coudn't go a day without listening to my current 'omigo-obsession' album...

but i was never cutie a obsessed with them as i am with Pura and Kagrra,...
i don't know... it was my love for their music... i wanted to read abut what inspires them... i wanted to know they were... like, really inspired by their music...
lol, i cried when i found an interview with Kagrra, that spoke about every song on Kirameki and just how they wrote it... it as the greatest thing i've ever read

i thin the visual is so much an expression about who a person is... it's very much the same in the metal industry.... a lot of people hate Marilyn Manson because of his image (which is actaully noteded as VK by the SHOXX magazine... )... and never give his music the chance...

but if ou were to hear a hard cor metal band with heavey screamin and such... yet... the people in the band were the planest looking people in the world... you may be slightly put off....
it's the image of our idols that inspires our own...

i think it's gret that we have Kaiden in on this topic... makes the discution a lot more fair...
and... i agred with a lot of what she said... but... we're all entitled to our won opinions... and our own right to express them...

.... of CAUSE we all tke part in our 'omigod they're so ******* hott' talk... and we play around... it would be STUPID for us to ignor the fact that they're beautiful...
but it makes me sad that... i feel i've coem to love some of these bands SO much that i don't think my head would be able to handle it if i actually saw them (but that's because i have my own psychological problems)

there are plenty of bands i love that i haev no IDEA what they look like.... but i don;t know.... maybe i do love Kagrra, more beause i love the guys.... but i think that's a whole... i love their music... and the greatness of their music reflects the closness in the band... and learnig about them, helps me understand the music...
music's been my life since... forever...

ARGH! *head explodes*
this is making me all dizzy

is it all about the visual?

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