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There are many and they keep growing, people that are obsessed with Japan. I want to learn why that is. They are just another nation that hates you people.

And I dont like their music, everey damn song they have has something in english you cant understand.
 
I wouldn't say I am obsessed with Japan. Not yet, anyway. But there is certainly something to be said for the deep exegesis of a foreign culture. Unless one imagines all societies to be 'basically the same' (which isn't the case), or one alternatively imagines one's own society to be the supreme holder of earthly wisdom, one can learn a great deal from somebody-social-else, somewhere else. And as these are all human societies, appealing to human needs and predicated upon human thinking, it can be the case that a person is simply more fulfilled by the cultural trappings to be found in another country than they are by those in the country of their origin.

So, I wouldn't think it especially matters that some people are obsessed with Japan. Others are obsessed with the United States. Others, France. Onward and et cetera, for analogous reasons. And there is hatred everywhere... hatred is really quite a banal thing.
 
not_that yes you do get some fangirls/boys who are obsessive about Japan and the Japanese, quite often they will be young Anime or Gaming fans who idolise the music etc etc.... They do exist and I wont deny that.

Here however you will find there are people who just want to help others with information about trips to Japan etc... Others wish to move to Japan and work there due to pay aspects or loved ones who live there. It is not for you to judge why people want to do what they want to do.

As for the Japanese "hating" "us people" you will find that they do not hate anybody. Like all countries there are people with prejudices but as a whole the Japanese dont mind. However getting jobs in Japan is hard as the emploment system caters for the Japanese first (as it should do too after all it is their country).
 
Greetings there not_that_on san, and welcome to JREF !! I hope you'll understand that since it was not an introduction, actually, that you had made, I moved it here. Thanks.

Have you had any particularly bad experiences in any 'Japan' related way? Have you ever visited this part of our planet? I think it would be educational to hear your views and so on. I would ask, please, that you be considerate in the tone of your future posts--just in case.

Talk to you later !! MM
 
They are just another nation that hates you people.

A guy sitting in Europe, probably never having visited Japan, telling people halfway around the globe that 120+ million people he has never met hate a few billion other people that neither he nor they have ever met....

The more readily discernible hate is that emanating from the OP.

Doubt that he'll be with us long. Personally, I'll miss him like Booth missed Lincoln.
 
Thats what was my though Mike, im guessing his post count of (now 0) will stay at 0 and not grow. Or he will shoot his mouth off and get banned.
 
Actually I have been in Japan for a weekend, I wanted to dive and see an underwater tempel in an island far south of mainland Japan. Its realy cool and I recomend it, take an uncerwater camera with you.

But thats it, and It was very disturbing, japanese women had their hair dyed, they looked like a mix between an Alien and a sun flower. Excuse me but Im serious.
It dosent suit them to have blond hair! It looks to spooky.

And recently Hollywood has got obsessed with them to. Taking their movies and anime and making them into hollywood movies, fast and the furious tokyo drift. Lost in translation. Its even been a swedish movie about a guy in Japan.

I dont hate Japan, its just that a lot of my friends have started to get obsessed with it, they cant stop talking anime and I have tried to watch it, but I feel like a grown up forced to watch the telletubies with his 5 year old daughter!

I love other nations and cultures, but whats so special with Japan?
 
But thats it, and It was very disturbing, japanese women had their hair dyed, they looked like a mix between an Alien and a sun flower. Excuse me but Im serious.
It dosent suit them to have blond hair! It looks to spooky.
You just aren't used to it. There's nothing objectively spooky or odd about it, compared to any other person dying their hair any other color - or even wearing any sort of clothing. Your notion of what suits "them" and what doesn't is only something you've learned. It can be unlearned.


I love other nations and cultures, but whats so special with Japan?
Japan, much like any country, has its own relatively unique cultural trappings. Yes? Well, culture is built to satisfy and enhance people and so it shouldn't be much of a surprise that culture appeals to people.

Especially when it is marketed, making it viral and even more appealing.
 
Where was it in Japan that you entered--what port or airport? One weekend is would surely leave you just enough time to feel culture shock, I would think, and not enough time to see anything that would tend to balance out that shock.

Now, I can understand the emotion behind the 'Japan Boom' thing that you are talking about. Perhaps it can be seen as a boom, or a trend, and not qute yet as a paradigm shift--so I wouldn't worry about it too much, although I agree it can possibly be frustrating for some to see many of ones friends jumping a bandwagon just because it's in.

I would suggest, to balance that trend, that you look into traditional Japanese culture a bit, and then try to educate your friends on the 'real' Japan. At least that way, you have developed a thesis in response to the 'Japanese thing/anime' boom that bothers you so much.
 
Actually I have been in Japan for a weekend,

Amazing the depth of insight that one can gain into an entire nation in a single weekend. Enough to learn that everyone in the nation hates everyone not from the nation.

It was very disturbing, japanese women had their hair dyed, they looked like a mix between an Alien and a sun flower. Excuse me but Im serious.
It dosent suit them to have blond hair! It looks to spooky.

I thought you Scandinavians had a reputation for being broad-minded.

I dont hate Japan, its just that a lot of my friends have started to get obsessed with it, they cant stop talking anime and I have tried to watch it, but I feel like a grown up forced to watch the telletubies with his 5 year old daughter!

You've never been a grown-up with a 5 year old daughter, or you wouldn't say that. I suspect you've never been a grown up at all yet.

Now if you had said a grown-up forced to watch the teletubbies with his teenaged daughter, that would have made sense.

I love other nations and cultures, but whats so special with Japan?

Search me; I think Japan is just a place and the Japanese are just people. I also think the vast majority of the stuff the Japanese entertainment industry turns out is pure sh*t. But I haven't had the advantage of visiting Japan for a weekend.
 
It is annoying when people want to move to Japan, become Japanese because they love Japanese Pop music and anime yet they have never been to Japan, don't speak Japanese and have never spoken to a Japanese person, but they can't wait to move there....

I don't really have a reason to love Japan other than I am married to a Japanese man. Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate Japan very much now, and there are parts of it's culture that I admire and wish for in my own country, but for the most part I am happiest at home. :)
 
The obsessives you're talking about are the ones who, like me, obsess over pop culture like video games/music and stuff not Japan itself because I feel that the majority of us don't know the 'real' Japan. Yeah, like someone else said, people who want to live there merely for the love of pop culture are immature, I think the way you express some of your views is too.

And it's not just Japan that people love. 8.bit you're right people love stuff thats different to what they're used to, what they see everyday. I look into different cultures that interest me, i'm sure you're interested by other things that I may not find appealing.

Sorry if my post didn't make sense, i'm tired :p
 
I was in Central airport in main land japan for 4 hours, didnt leave the airport, took a smaler plane to the island far south and dived to see what is belived to be a 10.000 year old city.
The island had a litle small shop and stuff like that. So its not right saying that Iv seen the real Japan, but I have at least been there. And it was nothing special, people smoked, talked, drank tea and cofee.
They even had a sushi bar as we do in west!

The obsessives you're talking about are the ones who, like me, obsess over pop culture like video games/music and stuff not Japan itself because I feel that the majority of us don't know the 'real' Japan. Yeah, like someone else said, people who want to live there merely for the love of pop culture are immature, I think the way you express some of your views is too.
And it's not just Japan that people love. 8.bit you're right people love stuff thats different to what they're used to, what they see everyday. I look into different cultures that interest me, i'm sure you're interested by other things that I may not find appealing.
Sorry if my post didn't make sense, i'm tired :p

Theyre music is so bad, I hate it when they speak english. They breathe in when they talk, westerners and even indians speak out. Thats why you dont understand even 1 word.
 
Actually I have been in Japan for a weekend, I wanted to dive and see an underwater tempel in an island far south of mainland Japan. Its realy cool and I recomend it, take an uncerwater camera with you.
So you didn't even intend to absorb the culture? Why are you saying ridiculous things about it?
But thats it, and It was very disturbing, japanese women had their hair dyed, they looked like a mix between an Alien and a sun flower. Excuse me but Im serious.
It dosent suit them to have blond hair! It looks to spooky.
An alien and a sunflower? I suppose that just doesn't extend to Japanese women then, more so women of Asian descent, right? You didn't explain that very well, so I'm sorta going out on a limb by what you meant by, "a mix between an Alien and a sun flower". Regardless, that's close-minded of you to say. Many Americans dye their hair ridiculous colors, it's just personal taste, not cultural.

And recently Hollywood has got obsessed with them to. Taking their movies and anime and making them into hollywood movies, fast and the furious tokyo drift. Lost in translation. Its even been a swedish movie about a guy in Japan.
I dont hate Japan, its just that a lot of my friends have started to get obsessed with it, they cant stop talking anime and I have tried to watch it, but I feel like a grown up forced to watch the telletubies with his 5 year old daughter!
Is this cultural shock or is this guy close-minded in general? Japan hasn't been in the media for as long as most European cultures, I'm not surprised so many people are interested in it.
I love other nations and cultures, but whats so special with Japan?
Japanese culture is very unique compared to most Western cultures?
 
An alien and a sunflower? I suppose that just doesn't extend to Japanese women then, more so women of Asian descent, right? You didn't explain that very well, so I'm sorta going out on a limb by what you meant by, "a mix between an Alien and a sun flower". Regardless, that's close-minded of you to say. Many Americans dye their hair ridiculous colors, it's just personal taste, not cultural.
Huh ? Not culture ??? Are you joking ? 😌 Have you ever actually been to Japan ? If 80% of New York girls decided in one decade to dye their hair exactly the same color black because it looked more Asian would you say they all coincidentally picked on exactly the same personal taste at exactly the same moment ? And then they went natural again en masse on the urge follow their favorite pop singer...


BLACK IS BACK
Japanese Women Return Their Hair to Its Roots (January 30, 2006)

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Hamasaki Ayumi shows off her new look. (Jiji)
For nearly a decade now, trendy Japanese women (and a considerable number of men, too) have been coloring their hair various shades of brown or blonde. But this winter, black hair is back in style. Last fall, when pop singer Hamasaki Ayumi colored over her trademark bleached-blonde tresses, women followed suit in droves, sparking a sharp increase in Japan's black-haired population. Nowadays, changing one's hair color is an established element of fashion, and in this respect, the black-hair craze is no different from the brown/blonde one that preceded it. However, as many women are discovering (or rediscovering), black hair has many inherent advantages.

A Natural Complement to This Season's Fashion
The western image of the Japanese woman typically includes long, straight black hair and dark eyes. In the latter half of the 1990s, however, brown-dyed hair came into vogue. The trend endured for nearly a decade because lighter-colored hair was seen as giving the face a brighter appearance and being easy to coordinate with European and American fashion and makeup. In recent years, brown hair had become so normal among Japanese young people of both sexes that it was sometimes hard to find youngsters who had kept their hair black. Even hair lightened all the way to blonde was no longer an unusual sight. But this winter, the population of black-haired women has risen substantially.

Although some women say they reverted to glossy black hair because they were simply tired of brown or blonde, the prime force behind the trend was pop singer Hamasaki Ayumi, whose influence among young people extends to the realm of fashion. Hamasaki says she changed her trademark blonde mane to black because black is the "in" color this winter. Besides fitting in with the current black-on-black look, dark glossy hair also complements this season's Victorian- and military-inspired styles. Celebrities known for their beautiful, long black hair are further fueling the craze, including singer Nakashima Mika and actress Nakama Yukie, along with two non-Japanese actresses who are very popular in Japan as well as in their home countries: Zhang Ziyi of China and Choi Ji Woo of Korea.

Hair That Is the Envy of the World
Another factor prompting many Japanese women to bring their hair back to its original color is the renewed recognition of the innate beauty of black hair. Asience, a high-end shampoo launched by Kao Co. in 2003 under the catch phrase, "Hair that is the envy of the world," became an instant hit. Now more and more women are heading to beauty salons to have their hair colored black. This trend is particularly pronounced among women whose hair has been damaged and turned reddish-brown at the ends by daily exposure to the heat of curling irons. These women now know that lightened hair is damaged hair, and they want to hide such damage and regain the unique luster of black hair.

But not everyone is settling for plain black. Black coloring treatments that include highlights of other colors (for example, pink or dark brown) are also popular. With these treatments, which require a bit more time and skill than a straight black coloring job, the hair appears simply black at first glance but reveals other hues when it reflects light. Black with highlights offers the best of both worlds: the fun of coloring the hair, plus the natural appeal of ebony tresses. Black hair also makes the face and head appear smaller. (Japanese women have considered a small face to be a desirable beauty attribute for some years.)

Young people these days seem to change their hair color as readily as they change their clothes, but the switch from brown to black appears likely to continue for a while. ''
 
Yes I know that Americans colour their hair to. Blond girl with brown eyes is unnatural and scary as well. However!

The part of the article you posted, (wich was very intressting). Said that both men AND women colour their hair...

I dont know what to say, Maybe they are all closet gays? That explains why they are so damn skinny and feminime, and why their fotball or wrestling team is replaced by a baseball team as a main game.
 
Your sole aim is to try and provoke people right?
I can't even answer to that last post. WTH?!
 
No im not here to provoke anyone, if I wanted to provoce japanese people I wouldnt be here since this is an english speaking forum. And a Japanese might need genetical engineering to comunicate here.

Young guys do it. They all have a very similar layered, slightly longlish and wavy, uncombed look hair cut, too.

Do they also wear thongs? I know that thongs and bikinis a girl thing, but since they play with their hair like that I dont know.
Do the boys in japan wear slutty womens underwear?
 
Hummm????

I heard if you ignore trolls they vanish. If you let them provoke you, they flourish. Better to place this member on your ignore list or not answer his posts. You can see where this thread is headed, don't let it suck you in.

Uncle Frank

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I think it's pretty futile to try to understand why people like something. I don't understand a lot of things but I don't go semi-bashing it on a forum because my friends like it and I don't. I suggest you get new friends if they annoy you so much.
 
We're dealing with an obvious juvenile racist troll here.
 
We're dealing with an obvious juvenile racist troll here.
Agreed. :/ Can a moderator/administrator just ban him? He isn't looking for answers, only trolling as Mike Cash said.
 
LOL!!!

I'm OBSESSED!!!! Sorry:(😌:p hahahahahahahahaha!!! oh, and not all japanese songs sound alike! Personally, I think japanese artists have a HUGE range of diversity in the songs that they sing or do. However, I do agree with the fact that when there singing english they sound like there singing in japanese, hahahah just kidding! Like gackt formally from the group MALICE MIZER! lol, !:p Anyway would you say, feel, or think the same way if YOU were japanese!!! Hmmmmmm!:eek::-)
 
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