Early man, the pyramids and aliens

[Pachipro]

However, I still believe what is written in the Sumerian tablets and that this event actually happened.
To further back up Zecharia Sitchin's writings is this story out of Japan claiming the existance of another planet circling our solar system. Could this be the so-called 12th planet he writes about?

Incorrect. It has been shown on several occasions that it is possible to build a pyramid using the tools and technology of the 25th dynasty.

Ok Mike, but can someone explain these anomolies:
How could the Egyptians possibly have built their pyramid facing the exact magnetic North Pole without even having a compass? The compass was not invented for a few thousand years after the ancient Egyptians were long gone? IS THAT LIKELY????

On the evening of the Summer solstice, the sun sets in the exact center of the first two pyramids and the Egyptions therefore, must have known the exact length of the year, or 365.25 days. This fact wast not discovered until long after the Egyptians were gone. HOW LIKELY IS THAT???

If you take the perimeter of the pyramid and divide it by two times the height, you get a number that is exactly equivalent to the number pi (3.14159...) up to the fifteenth digit. The chances of this phenomenon happening by sheer chance is remarkably small. Did the ancient Egyptians know what the number pi was? Not likely, seeing as it was a number not calculated accurately to the fourth digit until the 6th century, and the pyramids calculate it to the fifteenth.

What about the fact that although the Egyptians kept very careful records about everything they ever did; every king they had, every war they fought, and every structure they built, there were no records of them ever having built the pyramids?

What about the fact that the Egyptians had not even invented the wheel yet as scientists believe that the wheel was invented about 5,000 years ago, but the blocks that they had to carry to build the pyramids weighed about 2 tons each? 4,000 lbs.? What did they do... use cement? In fact, they used so much stone, that if you took all of the stone they used and cut it into 1 foot square blocks, it would extend 2/3 of the way around the earth!!

If you take the line of longitude that the pyramid lies on and the latitude that the pyramid lies on, 31 degrees north by 31 degrees west (the fact that they are the same number is a coincidence???) they are the two lines that cover the most combined land area in the world. In essence, the pyramid is the center of all of the land mass of the whole earth!!!! How did the ancient Egyptions know that?

Why are the pyramids aligned exactly to the stars in the belt of Orion when Orion was overhead about 10,500 BC when no known intelligent beings lived on the planet?

Here is an article by John Zajac, physicist, and author who says that the pyramids cannot be duplicated, even today, using modern technology. It is old as I have saved the link for many years, but I'm sure more can be found on him on the internet.

If modern science wants to put this argument to rest once and for all then they should undertake the job of building one. Since they haven't, I tend to believe that it cannot be done and we are given words and theories, for and against, that it can or cannot be done.

Until it is done, I have to lean to the side the side that says that the ancient Egyptians did not have the knowledge or technology to do it, but had "outside" help, whatever that means or that they were built by a more advanced civilization, either human or alien and that the bible is probably based on that previous civilization or is about the visitation of aliens. I want proof that the Egyptians built them or that the bible is based on the devive word of God and so far I have neither other than words and either theory can be true.

 

[Mycernius]

Early man, Pyramids and aliens

Rather than go offtopic on the "what do you think about the Bible thread?" I thought it would be better to address Pachipros and other views of early man and the possible intervention of non-terrestial intelligences in the building of various monuments around the world. It would also be interesting to take into account some of the other aspects Pachipro bought up ragarding the formation of the solar system and life on this planet in general

 

[yumeitsumo]

I think it is a possibility we where left here by aliens. Or something...

 

[Mycernius]

Ok Mike, but can someone explain these anomolies:
How could the Egyptians possibly have built their pyramid facing the exact magnetic North Pole without even having a compass? The compass was not invented for a few thousand years after the ancient Egyptians were long gone? IS THAT LIKELY????

Is that current magnetic north or magnetic north at the time of the construction of the pyramids.? Does it apply to all the pyramids? Do you know that magnetic north move a couple of minutes a year( currently about
10' east per annum)? So the first pyramid at Giza was Khufus. Its base set to follow north. He died in 2528 BC. The next one built was Khafres', who took to the throne in 2520 BC, a period of 8 years. magnetic north has move over 1 degree from the original position between the death of Khufu and the start of the reign of Khafre.

On the evening of the Summer solstice, the sun sets in the exact center of the first two pyramids and the Egyptions therefore, must have known the exact length of the year, or 365.25 days. This fact wast not discovered until long after the Egyptians were gone. HOW LIKELY IS THAT???

The Egyptian did know how long a year was. They used two types of calender. One of them took in the .25 of a day. The myth that they didn't is a falsehood.

If you take the perimeter of the pyramid and divide it by two times the height, you get a number that is exactly equivalent to the number pi (3.14159...) up to the fifteenth digit. The chances of this phenomenon happening by sheer chance is remarkably small. Did the ancient Egyptians know what the number pi was? Not likely, seeing as it was a number not calculated accurately to the fourth digit until the 6th century, and the pyramids calculate it to the fifteenth.

Trail and error. The first pyramid at Giza was not the first one built. Ther are at least 8 built before then. Some of which failed. One that shows that they experimented is Sneferus' bent pyramid. Starts out a a steeper angle until halfway up, when the arcitects realised that is would be too steep.

What about the fact that although the Egyptians kept very careful records about everything they ever did; every king they had, every war they fought, and every structure they built, there were no records of them ever having built the pyramids?

There are some recors on pyramid construction, but not conclusive enough to say, "yes, this is how they did it". It is a line I will look up

What about the fact that the Egyptians had not even invented the wheel yet as scientists believe that the wheel was invented about 5,000 years ago, but the blocks that they had to carry to build the pyramids weighed about 2 tons each? 4,000 lbs.? What did they do... use cement? In fact, they used so much stone, that if you took all of the stone they used and cut it into 1 foot square blocks, it would extend 2/3 of the way around the earth!!

2007-5000=2993BC. Pyramids started being built in 2649BC. Experiments have shown that 20 men can easily drag a 2 ton stone block, plus neolitic man in the UK managed to drag blocks from Wales to Wiltshire without wheels. Cement was not used, obviously. Skilled artisans dressed stone on site to fit nice and perfect together.

If you take the line of longitude that the pyramid lies on and the latitude that the pyramid lies on, 31 degrees north by 31 degrees west (the fact that they are the same number is a coincidence???) they are the two lines that cover the most combined land area in the world. In essence, the pyramid is the center of all of the land mass of the whole earth!!!! How did the ancient Egyptions know that?

Yes, coincidence. Most pyramids were built a futher 5 to 6 miles futher south.

Why are the pyramids aligned exactly to the stars in the belt of Orion when Orion was overhead about 10,500 BC when no known intelligent beings lived on the planet?

10 500 years ago intelligent life did exist on this planet. Homo Sapien appeared about 100 000 years ago. Neaderthals appeared even earlier,
300 000 years ago. Dispite some people like to piant neadnderthals as club weilding idiots, they had tools, knew fire, basic contruction techniques and an idea of an afterlife. Plus why align the pyramids up to a band of three stars that didn't line up when they were built, but 7500 earlier?
The three stars of Orion aren't three stars anyway. The first, starting on the left, is 800 lys away and is a triple star sytem. The one we see is a blue supergiant, short lived stars and very unlikely to habour any life bearing planets. The one other is another O type star and the last is a B type. All blue stars, all hot, short span stars. The middle one is also a blue supergiant, again incapable of habouring a life bearing planet and is 1300 lys away. The final one is actually a binary system 900 lyrs away. Again consisting of a supergiant B class star and a smaller O type star. Together all three stars are not capable of supporting an earth type planet around them, so begs the question, why point at them if you are an alien. They are not even close to each other. Ther a better canidates in the night sky to point your maps at.

Here is an article by John Zajac, physicist, and author who says that the pyramids cannot be duplicated, even today, using modern technology. It is old as I have saved the link for many years, but I'm sure more can be found on him on the internet.
If modern science wants to put this argument to rest once and for all then they should undertake the job of building one. Since they haven't, I tend to believe that it cannot be done and we are given words and theories, for and against, that it can or cannot be done.
Until it is done, I have to lean to the side the side that says that the ancient Egyptians did not have the knowledge or technology to do it, but had "outside" help, whatever that means or that they were built by a more advanced civilization, either human or alien and that the bible is probably based on that previous civilization or is about the visitation of aliens. I want proof that the Egyptians built them or that the bible is based on the devive word of God and so far I have neither other than words and either theory can be true.

NOVA experiment in 2006. NOVA Online/Pyramids—The Inside Story
How to build a pyramid 101. I'd like to know why people like to paint our distant ancestors with the brush of ignorance and have to say that they were helped by aliens? Don't you feel that our ancestors where actually intelligent enough to work things out for themselves.

 

[MadamePapillon]

I'm not an expert on the subject but I have a hard time believing aliens had anything to do with they Pyramids. There is some mystery surrounding it but I think you have to give the ancient Egyptians credit for just being a highly advanced civilization. How did any ancient civilization do anything? The Pyramids are always put into question but nobody questions places like Machu Picchu that were build in a similar method. Maybe they knew something we don't, it could just be that simple. An ancient form of architecture that was lost as we progressed.


Coral Castle - Wikipedia

An interesting somewhat related link.

 

[Haruspex]

Aliens and pyramids? How? Why?
Lets say you're an alien, and you want to help humanity, you want to teach them a few tricks, would you teach them how to build a pyramid? I mean, lol, its a pyramid we're talking about. If I were an alien I'd teach people stuff about smelting, gunpowder, electricity, Greek fire or whatever, but surely not how to build pyramids.
Aliens traveled thousands and millions of miles to teach us how to build crypts?

 

[Half-n-Half]

However, I still believe what is written in the Sumerian tablets and that this event actually happened. To further back up Zecharia Sitchin's writings is this story out of Japan claiming the existance of another planet circling our solar system. Could this be the so-called 12th planet he writes about?

Even if this were to be classified as a planet, it would very likely only be the 9th planet out. All the other bodies within its orbit (like Pluto) would most likely share the same fate as Pluto. There would be just too many of them to be the dominant body in their orbit. How could one pick and choose which ones are planets just to get to the magic number of 12? Besides, astronomers have already found dwarf planets bigger than Pluto, why could these not also be considered the 12th planet?

On the evening of the Summer solstice, the sun sets in the exact center of the first two pyramids and the Egyptions therefore, must have known the exact length of the year, or 365.25 days. This fact wast not discovered until long after the Egyptians were gone. HOW LIKELY IS THAT???

Many ancient civilizations have been able to predict the location of the setting sun during the summer solstice. It just takes long-period observations along with trial and error. The reason they would do this is because it would help them know when the seasons were changing and therefore when to harvest/plant their crops.

If you take the perimeter of the pyramid and divide it by two times the height, you get a number that is exactly equivalent to the number pi (3.14159...) up to the fifteenth digit. The chances of this phenomenon happening by sheer chance is remarkably small. Did the ancient Egyptians know what the number pi was? Not likely, seeing as it was a number not calculated accurately to the fourth digit until the 6th century, and the pyramids calculate it to the fifteenth.

I would be more impressed if you didn't have to double the height to get pi.

What about the fact that the Egyptians had not even invented the wheel yet as scientists believe that the wheel was invented about 5,000 years ago, but the blocks that they had to carry to build the pyramids weighed about 2 tons each? 4,000 lbs.? What did they do... use cement? In fact, they used so much stone, that if you took all of the stone they used and cut it into 1 foot square blocks, it would extend 2/3 of the way around the earth!!

You don't need "wheels" to carry large stones. All you need are logs. Just gradually pull the blocks onto a bed of logs. As you roll the block over the logs, take the logs from the back and place them in the front of the block.

If you take the line of longitude that the pyramid lies on and the latitude that the pyramid lies on, 31 degrees north by 31 degrees west (the fact that they are the same number is a coincidence???) they are the two lines that cover the most combined land area in the world. In essence, the pyramid is the center of all of the land mass of the whole earth!!!! How did the ancient Egyptions know that?

Again, it could just be purely coincidence. Why did they not line ALL of them up?

Why are the pyramids aligned exactly to the stars in the belt of Orion when Orion was overhead about 10,500 BC when no known intelligent beings lived on the planet?

It was a pretty constellation? Many early civilizations knew about this constellation, such as the Sumerians, Chinese, and Greeks. In fact, the Egyptians associated this constellation with Osiris, the god of death and the underworld. Why would they associate their superior intelligent mentors to their god of death?

Here is an article by John Zajac, physicist, and author who says that the pyramids cannot be duplicated, even today, using modern technology. It is old as I have saved the link for many years, but I'm sure more can be found on him on the internet.
If modern science wants to put this argument to rest once and for all then they should undertake the job of building one. Since they haven't, I tend to believe that it cannot be done and we are given words and theories, for and against, that it can or cannot be done.
Until it is done, I have to lean to the side the side that says that the ancient Egyptians did not have the knowledge or technology to do it, but had "outside" help, whatever that means or that they were built by a more advanced civilization, either human or alien and that the bible is probably based on that previous civilization or is about the visitation of aliens. I want proof that the Egyptians built them or that the bible is based on the devive word of God and so far I have neither other than words and either theory can be true.

It would just be too expensive to recreate the pyramids like the Egyptians did. Finding all that stone and transporting it to a suitable location would be irrational. In fact, thats why we should awe at the Egyptians' works of art. Just FYI, the reason there are smaller, poorly built pyramids is because it just wasn't economically feasible to build the large ones anymore. Also, what would be the point of building such a large structure, other than to prove it can be done? It would be a waste of manpower, money, time, and good stone.

 

[Mitsuo]

This thread reminds me of a book that I read a few years ago. It's called Chariots of the Gods?, written by Erich Von Daniken. The author poses questions based off of his observations about ancient times.

Here's an excerpt: pg, 76-77
It is well known that the ancient Egyptians practiced a solar religion. Their sun god, Ra, traveld through the heavens in a bark. Pyramid texts of the Old Kingdom even describe heavenly journeys by the king, obviously made with the help of the gods and their boats. So the gods and kings of the Egyptians were also involved with flying...

Is it really a coincidence that the height of the pyramid of Cheops multiplied by a thousand million-98,000,000 miles- corresponds approximately to the distance between the earth and sun? Is it a coincidence that a meridian running through the pyramids divides continents and oceans into two exactly equal halves? Is it coincidence that the area of the base of the pyramid divided by twice its height gives the celebrated figure pi= 3.14159? Is it coincidence that calculations of the weight of the earth were found and is it also coincidence that the rocky ground on which the structure stands is carefully and accurately leveled? Regarding the continents and oceans into two equal halves he later says, it also lies at the center of gravity of the continents.

He also addresses the wooden roller theory, saying, (pg 75) I shall be told that the stone blocks used for building the temple were moved on rollers. In other words, wooden rollers! But the Egyptians could scarcely have felled and turned into rollers the few trees, mainly palms, that then (as now) grew in Egypt, because the dates from the palms were urgently needed for food and the trunks and fronds were the only things giving shade to the dried-up ground. But they must have been wooden rollers, otherwise there would not be even the feeblest technical explanation of the building of the pyramids. Did the Egyptians import wood? In order to import wood there must have been a sizeable fleet, and even after it had been landed in Alexandria the wood would have had to be transported up the Nile to Cairo. Since the Egyptians did not have horses and carts at the time of the building of the Great Pyramid, there was no other possibility. The horse-and-cart was not introduced until the seventeenth dynasty, about 1600 B.C. My kingdom for a convincing explanation of the transport of the stone blocks! Of course, the scholars say that wooden rollers were needed...

It is an interesting read, however the book was written in 1968. So, much of what the author wrote, statistically and what was known to be "fact" at the time, may have changed status over time. He also delves into things such as electricity, ancient drawings of "aliens" and so on.

This is not, necessarily, my opinion, but rather something that I found interesting to share. I try to keep an open-mind, but I must apply Occam's Razor...

 

[Mycernius]

Having read a couple of Daniken books when I was younger, I tend, now, to treat his discoveries with extreme skepticism, especailly after reading a few more authouritive books on astronomy, planet formation and ancient history.

 

[Amathev]

"If you believe everything you read, you better not read."
- Japanese proverb

 

[Pachipro]

Thanks Mike. You provide some good arguments and I will not quote each one here, but I will say that yes, 20 men can drag a 2 ton block, but in the time frame alloted and the number of blocks used in the pyramid just does not add up according to what is written below. The three pyramids in Egypt are in exact alignment to the three stars in the belt of Orion. Regardless of whether they are part of another star system or not or can support life is not relavent. What is relavent is the fact that they are in exact proportions and degrees.

Yes the magnetic north does move at times sometimes by as much as 20 degrees, but true magnetic north for that time without compasses? How did they know that?

I do not claim that my belief is correct, nor do I disclaim what others have written on this subject. I just look at the facts and what others have written and pit them against the modern scientific explainations and it just does not add up. If modern science was to admit what others have said and proven, including the Japanese, all of history and science would have to be rewritten and the powers that be today do not want that to happen because they would have to admit they were wrong and have been misleading us all along and science and religion would be turned on it's head.

I am just searching for truth and science today seems to be just ignoring these facts with "facts" of their own which, because they have many letters after their names and claim prestigious Universities as their alum, the average person will take as gospel what they say without doing much research on their own.

Here is a little more info from my side of the theory:

The Japanese attempt. Copied from a post on this site by Tehuti-4, the author of the post.

"In 1978, apparently after having let their own technological prowess intoxicate them with delusions of grandeur, the Japanese Nisson Corporation, with permission of the government of Egypt, embarked upon a project that would prove to be extremely humbling

"Their mission was to build a pyramid of lesser proportions on the Gizeh desert just southeast of the 3rd pyramid of king Mekaure. Their focus was not to build for size but to build for technique, following the method expounded upon by Herodotus. They were to quarry the stone out of the nearby hills, float it down the rive, hire Arab workmen as haulers using ropes and pulleys to drag the blocks onto and up the ramps, putting them in place manually without the aid of levers.

"Upon beginning construction the Japanese found that they were faced with insurmountable problems. First an foremost, the duplicated hand tools the men were provided with could not cut the stone, so the workers had to resort to the use of air jackhammers. Secondly when the boulders were placed on the rafts another problem arose. They could not prevent the barges from capsizing, since they were soon overrun with water and could not be handled properly. They became unsafe for the men, due to the instability crated by the weight of the steamboat. Upon reaching the shore they ran into a third problem: the limestone boulders began to sink into the river silt and the sand of the desert, and those that did not sink were of no consequence for the men could not budge them. Once again modern technology was called upon in the way of trucks and land rovers to move the stone to the designated site. Finally, adding insult to injury, the great numbers of men that they had amassed, could not lift the blocks by pulley, levers, nor ropes, and as result power cranes plus helicopters were contracted to do the job. Even then, employing the use of today' most powerful lifting machine, those blocks set in place were greatly out alignment, and many (if not most) were broken, chipped and badly scratched, due to improper handling.

"Finally, the Government of Egypt interceded and put and end to their agony. The unauthorized use of the heavy land equipment had torn asunder large stretches of desert land which had become quite an eye sore. The project was terminated and the pyramid, what little was intact, was dismantled. What the world learned from this endeavor was two things-one; that the simple methods conservative scholars have for so long said were utilized were totally inadequate, falling way short of the mark-and two; even with aid of modern technology in regards to transportation, lifting, quarrying, and placing these two ton blocks the job left much to be desired.

"In comparison, the ingenious masonry work exhibited in the construction of the pyramids, especially the Great Pyramid, far surpassed the meager attempts made by the Japanese."

And this one from this site:

"We see that the levering system is too slow to meet the rapid construction rate estimated by Egyptology for building the Great Pyramid: one block set in place every three minutes per work day throughout the 24-year reign of its builder Pharaoh Khufu.

"Given that both the levering system and the huge construction ramp (and any device dependent upon the use of a ramp) are not viable, Egyptology is left without a viable explanation for how over two million massive blocks were placed to build the Great Pyramid within the 24-year reign of Pharaoh Khufu.

"Indeed, Japanese engineers from Waseda university, who built a scale model of the Great Pyramid, estimated that it would have required over a thousand years to build the Great Pyramid. On the other hand, as shown in The Egyptian Pyramid Mystery Is Solved!, history cannot accommodate even a one hundred year construction period. Something is fundamentally wrong with the orthodox theory of pyramid construction."

"Therefore, I still believe that the ancient Egyptians could not possibly have had the knowledge to build the pyramids. They attempted to recreate them, but they always ended in failure. Who built them then? That we still do not know, but the technology and engineering involved far surpassed what the ancient Egyptians had. Regardless of what modern science is trying to feed me, that dog still will not hunt. Heck, up until a couple of hundred years ago, "modern" man still thought the earth was flat and that the earth was the center of the solar system when the ancient Sumerian tablets proved otherwise!

It would just be too expensive to recreate the pyramids like the Egyptians did. Finding all that stone and transporting it to a suitable location would be irrational. In fact, thats why we should awe at the Egyptians' works of art. Just FYI, the reason there are smaller, poorly built pyramids is because it just wasn't economically feasible to build the large ones anymore. Also, what would be the point of building such a large structure, other than to prove it can be done? It would be a waste of manpower, money, time, and good stone.

I care not what the cost involved is in recreating the Pyramids. If science really wanted to put this argument to rest they would at least attempt to recreate a mini-pyramid as they Japanese tried and then the case would be closed once and for all. I believe that the reason why they haven't is because they can't. Just show me how one collossus stone could cut to the exact dimensions with the tools available at the time, be moved that many miles, and placed with nary a millimeter next to a similar stone and I would accept it. That's all. Not much cost involved there, but I have a feeling it will never be done because they would have to admit defeat and failure as the Japanese did.

The Pyramids are always put into question but nobody questions places like Machu Picchu that were build in a similar method. Maybe they knew something we don't, it could just be that simple. An ancient form of architecture that was lost as we progressed.

"Lost as we progressed"? That seems to be a contradiction. That form of technology would never be "lost" unless the civilization that created it destroyed itself. That would also be akin to admitting that there was indeed a more advanced civilization before ours that maybe destroyed themselves with nuclear weapons as is maybe written in ancient Indian texts. Great structures were built all around the world, but what happend to the technology. Could it be they did themselves in as we are on the verge of doing today? Very possible.

 

[Annubis]

Here's an interesting idea:
Emotion Swept Galaxy

 

[Pachipro]

Very interesting link you provided there Annubis. I will enjoy studying it. Thanks!

 

[Arabianbarbie]

Faith,Modesty ,Respect to others.There are lots more out there..merely explain Gods superiority!!SUPERNATURAL..other says the phases of the moon affect their life,other claim Ghosts exist ..it is simply ..we are all different.

 

[bakaKanadajin]

What about the Tiahuanaco civilization? They pre-exist the Incas and built incredibly complex and precise pyramid structures in the same fashion as the Egyptians. Stones set so closely and precisely together that a playing card cannot fit in between. Massive stones, several hundred tonnes in weight, moved to the highest peaks and regions of the area. There is clear evidence of their existence and it's dated to around 12,000 years ago.

Posnansky, and other writers such as Graham Hancock, Zecharia Sitchin and Ivar Zapp, have suggested that these findings and the astronomical alignments of the site, strongly point to the likelihood that the original Tiahuanaco civilization flourished many thousands of years before the period assumed by conventional archaeologists. Rather than rising and falling during the two millennia around the time of Christ, Tiahuanaco may have existed during the vastly older time of the last Ice Age, some 15,000 to 20,000 years ago. The implications of this are truly stunning. Tiahuanaco may be (along with Teotihuacan in Mexico, Baalbek in Lebanon, and the Great Pyramid in Egypt) a surviving fragment of a long lost civilization.

They too were sun worshippers if I remember correctly.

Clearly, there is evidence that disagrees with current models on the origins of civilization.

But even beyond that, we're still not sure HOW they built the pyramids, any of them, whoever it was, regardless of when they started doing it.

My theory: today, we hail modern science as the pinnacle of human knowledge and undoubtedly our mastery of materials, chemicals, the atom, some forms of medicine, communications, infrastructure, etc., are unparalleled. However is the accumulation of complex systems of wealth and military power necessarily indicative of a wholistic understanding of our environment and our true origins? Is it possible that older, 'primitive' cultures had a more complete knowledge of existence as it pertains to topics like energy, spiritual issues, consciousness, the mind, nature, etc.

I think that, simply put, while the ancient civilizations of Earth may not have been as widespread (well, actually when you look at all the friggin temples and pyramids all over the world that statement may also be false) and did not have the same toys we do, it's still entirely possible that through their wholistic approach to knowledge, that is, their ability to fuse spirituality, concsiousness and science, and potentially access knowledge that we cannot access today, they were able to build pyramids and gain insight into topics like astronomy that our modern science has only recently come to know or still cannot replicate.

It's not crazy. When you look at the perfection nature achieves and how our modern science manages to do a half-*** job at best, it's not far-fetched to think that there is a simpler way of doing things and we just don't get it. (or that information is being supressed).

 

[lexis1983]

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