Comfort Women What do you think?

[KirinMan]

To Obeika:

You should confess your origin.
China? Korea?
It is necessary for understanding your true motive to pursue the comfort women issue tenaciously.

Confess? You make it sound like either being of Chinese or Korean origin is a sin or something.

Search and you will see.

 

[hanbei]

Confess? You make it sound like either being of Chinese or Korean origin is a sin or something.
Search and you will see.

I believe Chinese and Korean had forged "comfort women story."
If that was true, their aim might be to make money by judicial action.

I guess you Obeika, Han Chan, caster51 and undrentide are Korean origin.
ttp://newsbbs.d.paran.com/BIN/nbbs.cgi?cmd=v&board=2&num=2722&page=6&form=n1_gcafe
(please add "h")

If you are not Koren origin, you should explain why you and other three were gathering on a Korean web site.

I think that the comfort women issue is related heavily on the Japan-and-Korea-conflicts.
It is essential for understanding the dispute whether you are Korean origin or not.

 

[KirinMan]

Chinese and Korean have forged ﾂ"comfort women story.ﾂ"
It is the crime for making money.
I guess you Obeika, Han Chan and caster51 are Koreans.
ttp://newsbbs.d.paran.com/BIN/nbbs.cgi?cmd=v&board=2&num=2722&page=6&form=n1_gcafe
(please add "h")
Now, all queries are cleared.

Now like I wrote in my previous post do a bit of research on this board and you can probably figure out the answer to your question.

Are you familiar with the phrase associated with making assumptions? You assume too much about me.

And that is as far as I go in "telling" you about my heritage.

 

[frostyg02uk]

Hanbei stay around a little and learn a few things before opening your mouth. your just making yourself sound thick now and any arguement you did have cant be taken seriously now anyway.

PS; Before you assume that i am anything look at my flag, my city and if doubts are still there my photo from that section. ^-^

 

[Han Chan]

To Han Chan:
If your name "Chan" is a true name, it may indicate your origin is Chinese.
"Chan" is a derogatory term to Chinese in Japan.

I know almost all Korean and Chinese hate Japanese as if they have a "hate gene."
If Mr. Hongda is a Korean origin, it accounts all his behavior.

>>The link you gave is for an NGO - I can certainly not see that it should be a "Chinese group established for anti-Japanese movements in US".

Don't you see Chinese characters on the top of the web site?
It is obvious the NGO is a Chinese related one.
Then, it is definitely anti-Japan strongly biased with hate..

I will not try to debate any further with hanbei as I find it a waste of time, and I expect that he will be banned from this forum very soon.

For those who are curious about why I am called Han chan: It is somewhat like Aka chan or Shin chan. Because my japanese friends and in-laws find that I speak like a child they gave me the nickname Han (short for Hans) chan (like little dear one). Actually I explained this yesterday in another thread:

I speak japanese more or less like a child - thats why people call me Han chan.

When I argue for beeing straight about the past, however unpleasant it might be, I do it because I think it will in the long run be the best for all - both japanese and other. I do not hate japanese on the contrary my relation to Japan is based on love.

 

[Mars Man]

Thanks for helping out by editing #477 hanbei san. I really appreciate it--although prevention is better than fixing.

Now, as I have said before...and I hope all who have been posting here will take it to heart. I really do not see this thread's being able to clear up any more forest than whatever degree of forest it already has.

The purpose, if I have it straight, was to have a place where those posting today (as opposed to those who had posted on the older threads related to this issue) could simply post their opinions--as it is a poll--and then give a short statement as to why they thought the way they thought. In that Obeika san allowed a degree of arguing points here, we could say that doing so is just fine. I presently find that by doing so further, however, and perhaps most unfortunately, will only lead to us getting stuck in the mud, that the car's belly is resting on the hard part between the ruts.

I would suggest, please, that if any one locates, comes across, or through thorough investigation has any NEW data to present, to do that, along with a brief application of it towards their previously stated opinion. I hope to make the effort to have all newcomers who are interested in posting on this poll also read this post, and act in accordance with it.

I hope I do have active posters' agreement here. I hope we can all work together as JREFers to keep this thread (and of course all others too) productive, polite, presentable, and focused. Thanks for your helping out !! Mars Man

(and this post is obviously as a member here on JREF, of course, but with much greater emphasis on the position of moderator)

 

[Han Chan]

If you are not Koren origin, you should explain why you and other three were gathering on a Korean web site.

I newer posted anything at any Korean web site. The Hanachan who posted there, might be the same Hanachan who is posting at this site, however I am sure that she is japanese.

Now that you have once been willing to revise your previous posts, I suggest that you could now go back and delete your previous statements regarding me beeing Korean or Chinese. I have allways been honest about beeing Danish and I do not like to be called liar - based on a misunderstanding.

I think that it is important to clean up this thread, and let people start voting in the poll and posting their reason. However, I do think that everyone should refrain from making hatefull and insulting remarks.

 

[hanachan]

I newer posted anything at any Korean web site. The Hanachan who posted there, might be the same Hanachan who is posting at this site, however I am sure that she is japanese.

Hi Han Chan!
It's not me. I've never posted at Korean web site.
hahaha... Please "google" the word --- hanachan! You will get a lot of "hanachan".
"窶ｰﾃ版ｽq", "hanako", "hanachan"... A typical or symbolic name of a Japanese girl.
and hanachan is also my Bull Terrier.

To hanbei san,
I understand some of what you wrote, and agree with some of them.
However, your recent posts are troublesome and strange.
Please read carefully other posts, Han Chan is a good understanding person for Japan and Japanese. I'm sure that he is fair.

 

[Astroboy]

Sometimes I wonder why Japan has to continue to apology about the wartime things ..... while it had already settled them officially and diplomatically in the light of international law long time ago. The funny thing is the demand for Japanese aplogy seems to occur periodically.

I believe there must be something political behind the scene.

 

[caster51]

South Korean sex worker Anti-Law demonstration
Let us have prostitution!


If you pay money, it would not need to forced them even at that time


Man Faces Federal Charges in a Sex Ring in Minnesota
Man Faces Federal Charges in a Sex Ring in Minnesota (Published 2007)
I was forced?
dont tell a lie

i want to go to Japan as a prostitute
http://www.chosunonline.com/article/20050704000011

 

[Sensationalist]

Regarding comfort women,

Sobbing Koreans, Japanese in denial, wartime conspiracy, money, apologize all sound entirely dishonest in my opinion. It's dishonest when a grown woman, who claimed to have been raped by Japanese soldiers sixty years ago, can go before the House of Representative and demand recognition and money for her suffering. She can sit there all teary eyed pointing her finger at the Japanese government for crimes that every modern western nation has committed in the name of expansionism and domination thorough-out the entire world !

What's the difference ? You pay a prostitute for sexual services and then everything is OK ! You rape a women that you found walking the streets at night because you could and because you had the power to do so because so. Sixty years later that same lady sues the government for money and then the problem of "war time atrocities and rapes" goes away, only until money is needed once again ! Money, money, money...apology accepted on this premise alone.

 

[Chi65]

Excusing rapes this way is really disgusting.

I would give any woman the right to go against it, any which way.
Regarding the trauma of several ones for years after, plus the shame, connected with this brutality, its only understandable, if they let their voices out, when finally encouraged.

You obviously have no idea, how it feels to be handled like them, being raped in such a way, for example when so young, as many were and also virgins. They were no prostitutes first, they were forced to become one, against their will and without any way to escape this, hold like animals.

How would you like that, if someone would do that to you?. . .

Anyone, who had a far minor experience, is by law allowed to go to court nowadays, and has a good chance to win. Women are not just wiling cows or targets, war or not. You seem to have a major problem, seeing this, even excusing this, and only from male point of you. I wonder, that you are not ashamed!

Do you ever consider the deep hurts, you do to women, ignoring them as humans?
Even if some were forced to hard labour during war, they can get some relief by going to court nowadays here, while something even worse, like continuous most brutal rape, should be NO issue??
Are you human, after all, that you can say this? I wonder. I really do!

 

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

You obviously have no idea, how it feels to be handled like them, being raped in such a way, for example when so young, as many were and also vigins. They were no prostitutes first, they were forced to become one, against their will and without any way to escape this.

It is a lie.
She proved it.
In 1992,
They demanded return of postal savings 26145 yen,
At a Japanese court of law
They said,"The savings which I earned by prostitution".

When this news was heard, I was dumbfounded.
I do not believe their testimonies since then.
The liar South Korean prostitute's testimony is not believed.
I do not understand.

 

[Chi65]

Who, please?
and who is "they"?
Please give clear proofs and links.
Otherwise its worthless.

We had some here way after 1992. . .

 

[Sensationalist]

???

Excusing rapes this way is really disgusting.
I would give any woman the right to go against it, any which way.
Regarding the trauma of several ones for years after, plus the shame, connected with this brutality, its only understandable, if they let their voices out, when finally encouraged.
You obviously have no idea, how it feels to be handled like them, being raped in such a way, for example when so young, as many were and also vigins. They were no prostitutes first, they were forced to become one, against their will and without any way to escape this.
Anyone, who had a far minor experience, is by law allowed to go to court nowadays, and has a good chance to win. Women are not just wiling cows or targets, war or not. You seem to have a major problem, seeing this, even excusing this, and only from male point of you. I wonder, that you are not ashamed!
Do you ever consider the deep hurts, you do to women, ignoring them as humans?
Even if some were forced to hard labour during war, they can get some relief by going to court nowadays here, while something even worse, like continuous most brutal rape, should be NO issue??
Are you human, after all, that you can say this? I wonder. I really do!

No, I don't know how it feels to push a basketball through my cervix and I don't know what it feels like to get raped either. Judges and law makers are not supposed to based their judgment off of feeling, just in case you've forgotten. The law must be objective and must apply to all peoples, genders, race, and religions. Your argument, and the arguments of hundreds of so called comfort women is based solely off of emotion and self pity with very little solid facts. At best, most of everything you have is impirical and nothing more(...e.g. where are the rapist ? And when did the Japanese government ever sanction rape ?). Who are you seuing. Do you pull your evidence off of youtube and then post it up here as facts ?

Sure, there were comfort women all through-out asia, but to point your "A" moral finger at Japan is stupid. Why can't these so called comfort women condemn rape and prostitution for all women all over the world. Why should they pick one country and one cause !? Why ? It's for money , pure and simple, money because they know Japan will pay millions, and has been paying millions of yen for years. Had Japan been a poor country there would've never been a comfort women issue !

 

[Chi65]

Sure, there were comfort women all through-out asia, but to point your "A" moral finger at Japan is stupid. Why can't these so called comfort women condemn rape and prostitution for all women all over the world. Why should they pick one country and one cause !? Why ? It's for money , pure and simple, money because they know Japan will pay millions, and has been paying millions of yen for years. Had Japan been a poor country there would've never been a comfort women issue !

Who is raped by whom, is surely not mistaken to go to the one who did it, that the usual way. Who calls this stupid is stupid himself, sorry to say.
your respectlesness is stunning and addds to the picture. This why is in fact very strange thus too.
What you can answer is to demonstrate, how japanese women were raped by Koreans, and thats the only answer.
Japan has not paid millions for years for this, sorry to say. I doubt very much, that money is the only issue, the first one was simply getting at least an excuse, which took Japan a long time to even come to this. I happen to have very good relations to the Koreans here in Berlin, was in Korea myself several times (as much as in China and Japan), and am pretty well informed and can get more informations any time, also from the befriended Korean embassy (I am also befriended with the Japanese embassy and the Chinese one, by the way)
The video was only one at present available example of many more known things around the world.
But I was more referring to the facts of the past and that had nothing to do with the money issue for me, by the way. You must not mix things up in your uncontrolled heat.

Going with others in consequence, also worldwide, is also common and does happen as well, as we can see on many occasions.
But we are on the Japanese thread, and as such it is a theme here, what happened here, as much, as it would be a theme for germans on a german forum, or whover was hurt by us, for example, who were raped via Germans. with the same rights, simple logic.

The rest is flamings from you and does not add much to making you more reliable, in fact, you seem to be of those that think, they can get away with this.

 

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

Who, please?
and who is "they"?
Please give clear proofs and links.
Otherwise its worthless.
We had some here way after 1992. . .

1944
American strategic Secret Intelligence Service (OSS) of the United States Armed Forces
Report No. 49: Japanese POW Interrogation on Prostitution.

Report No. 49: Japanese Prisoners of War Interrogation on Prostitution: La Segunda Guerra Mundial


The evidence that a prostitute showed in Shimonoseki court.

 

[Sensationalist]

Please Read and Learn The Truth !

Who is raped by whom, is surely not mistaken to go to the one who did it, that the usual way. Who calls this stupid is stupid himself, sorry to say.
your respectlesness is stunning and addds to the picture. This why is in fact very strange thus too.
What you can answer is to demonstrate, how japanese women were raped by Koreans, and thats the only answer.
Japan has not paid millions for years for this, sorry to say. I doubt very much, that money is the only issue, the first one was simply getting at least an excuse, which took Japan a long time to even come to this. I happen to have very good relations to the Koreans here in Berlin, was in Korea myself several times (as much as in China and Japan), and am pretty well informed and can get more informations any time, also from the befriended Korean embassy (I am also befriended with the Japanese embassy and the Chinese one, by the way)
The video was only one at present available example of many more known things around the world.
But I was more referring to the facts of the past and that had nothing to do with the money issue for me, by the way. You must not mix things up in your uncontrolled heat.
Going with others in consequence, also worldwide, is also common and does happen as well, as we can see on many occasions.
But we are on the Japanese thread, and as such it is a theme here, what happened here, as much, as it would be a theme for germans on a german forum, or whover was hurt by us, for example, who were raped via Germans. with the same rights, simple logic.
The rest is flamings from you and does not add much to making you more reliable, in fact, you seem to be of those that think, they can get away with this.

Here is the problem Chi65, and I know you'll try and refute this:

Treaty on Basic Relations between Japan and the Republic of Korea - Wikipedia

If you have the capacity to read and understand that link stated above you can clearly see and understand that both the Korean and the Japanese government reached a settlement on all war related issues. From this fact, it's no longer Japans responsibility to acknowledge or pay money at all, to anyone and that included the comfort women. The Japanese have no legal or moral responsibility to recognize anything that happened anymore since both governments agreed to settle this problem through MONEY ! MONEY ! and more MONEY ! Filthy money ! The only reason the Koreans are screaming for an apology is because of money. If Japan were to officially acknowledge and or accept responsibility for what happened during the war then they'd be paying billions and billions of dollars worth of reparations for decades just like Germany has been.

If theses comfort women want justice then they should demand it from their own government in Korea, ask them where all that ODA money went when they were trying to build subways and super highways and high rise buildings.

 

[Chi65]

You should be very ashamed, after what is known to the world!!

Don't run around the pot, look into it!

 

[Chi65]

The evidence that a prostitute showed in Shimonoseki court.

Don't come with Burma here, its not the same woman either. . .we talk about Korea and Japan at present, and thats not the answer to your above statement.
I am really not impressed by zigzagging, and the way, some women are still called here in this thread.

It looks, as if the same brutality from then lives on in some.

You guys only make me vomit.

Have you ever heard about human rights?

 

[Sensationalist]

See, there you go again !

Don't come with Burma here, its not the same woman either. . .we talk about Korea and Japan at present, and thats not the answer to your above statement.
I am really not impressed by zigzagging, and the way, some women are still called here in this thread.
It looks, as if the same brutality from then lives on in some.
You guys only make me vomit.
Have you ever heard about human rights?

["It's not the same women,"] weren't other asian women allegedly raped and forced into prostitution ?? What makes the Korean or the Chinese story more compelling then their stories ? It's money ! They care nothing about an apology. If the Koreans can make a story big enough then the end result is a cash pay out.

In North America, there is a history of sexual slavery and abuse against African Americans, did those people get a formal apology from the U.S. government for years of state sanctioned brutality and rapes ? What about
African American "comfort womens' issues?" In the case of Korea and China, it was part of the spoils of war to force women into prostitution and slavery. That wasn't the case during the North Atlantic Slave Trade. Human beings were forced to sleep with and pro-create with their masters whether they liked it or not, or face brutal beatings and even murders.

You're story is nothing more than a plea for money and pity !

 

[Chi65]

["It's not the same women,"] weren't other asian women allegedly raped and forced into prostitution ?? What makes the Korean or the Chinese story more compelling then their stories ? It's money ! They care nothing about an apology. If the Koreans can make a story big enough then the end result is a cash pay out.
In North America, there is a history of sexual slavery and abuse against African Americans, did those people get a formal apology from the U.S. government for years of state sanctioned brutality and rapes ? What about
African American "comfort womens' issues?" In the case of Korea and China, it was part of the spoils of war to force women into prostitution and slavery. That wasn't the case during the North Atlantic Slave Trade. Human beings were forced to sleep with and pro-create with their masters whether they liked it or not, or face brutal beatings and even murders.
You're story is nothing more than a plea for money and pity !

Since I personally have never mentioned the money aspect before, only the excuse one, as you can read clearly, if you only try, I rebuff that nonsense, that you wish to project onto me.

Also this is not an african nor US forum thread, thus its of no relevance here, because that is other people's concern and absolutely no excuse for some japanese behavior.

Its not spoils of "war", its spoils of humans on humans, such cheap excuses from you were absolutely NO reason for stopping the Nuernberg processes in Germany, for example. In contrary, according to human rights.
The facts, that others did it too, did NOT give anyone the right, to also do and accept it.

Actually, there is something like Schmerzensgeld (try to find a translation, please), that is very well an issue (and VERY official reason in severe cases!) for lawsuits. We have this all the time, all over the world. And the Schmerzensgeld is defined by the amout of emotional terror, pain versus the present material ability of the one, who caused this. There would generally be nothing wrong at all, to claim it thus, if they so wish.
If the japanese law does not have this term, then it is beyond human rights, by the way, and may well become an international issue, if that comes out to the open.
Thats, why also Germans have to pay for other pains than just forced prostitution, like slave working as one other example. Some lawsuits are still not all cleared, but on the table, and many claimers win them. Nothing new.

If you judge all those hurt ones by one case (and that was not even the posted video one), that may have come out as a lie (although it might have been only partly, I am sure, because it says nothing about, how it all started for her), it does in no way say, that all other cases were too. Its just a very closeminded generalisastion to think so.

You may as the next step say, that all women wish to be raped, since you are obviously not opposed to this. . .I would not be surprised, to hear this rubbish here.

And once you make a woman a prostitute by force, that does not give you the right afterwards, to blame her for being one, because she is trapped and thus forced into this. In contrary. We have several cases here of for example russians, trapped that way, and its always a very severe crime-case, against those, who trapped and forced them, not the women!
Any woman, who does it by free choice on the other hand, is accepted for this and also does have a lobby now for longer already.

The difference lies in violated or not. And if violated into this, she has a right to sue the violator, as simple as that.

Its really a shame for some in Japan, that such things cannot be seen for what they are, and how easily women get degraded there by some. That tells me a lot about you and your kind.
I happened to be I other circles in Japan, and am in other circles here. And thus I only "give" it to those, who obviously violate human rights, be it by thoughts (I fear, such cynic people do not just leave it by being a thought, but in general act accordingly, very bothersome and no good reference for Japan in general, such people ad a lot to the dark views about Japan in the world, which I do not wish to happen, by the way).

Of course, such people live everywhere, also here, but they have no chance to say this openly here, they would have their according reaction. For example those, who spread out, that the holocaust did not happen. They are strictly forbidden, to do this now. If it is found out, that they go on however, they will be sued, by Germans!

Japan seems to be far from this, as I can see now. Weird indeed.

 

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

Don't come with Burma here, its not the same woman either. . .we talk about Korea and Japan at present, and thats not the answer to your above statement.
I am really not impressed by zigzagging, and the way, some women are still called here in this thread.
It looks, as if the same brutality from then lives on in some.
You guys only make me vomit.
Have you ever heard about human rights?

Request by false evidence is a crime.
This is fraud incident.
Before you tell human rights,
Inspect a fact.
I collect data in various ways,
Check that there is not contradiction.
A remark of other people is not evidence.
It is the logic based on data.

 

[Chi65]

Request by false evidence is a crime.
This is fraud incident.
Before you tell human rights,
Inspect a fact.
I collect data in various ways,
Check that there is not contradiction.
A remark of other people is not evidence.
It is the logic based on data.

What is one such "crime" against a multiple one on the other side?

Would you like to talk to those, who have the datas here?
The embassies and Universities, also around the world, who also collect and pass on?
You can do so any time.

I trust independant professors and directly violated ones more than you, just as an example.

 

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

Is not fraud a crime?
"She was kidnapped,"
"She was raped,"
"She was imprisoned,"
Such she,
Why was she able to deposit large sum of money every month?
Their testimony contradicts it.
I showed evidence of the contradiction.