Comfort Women What do you think?

[pipokun]

Some of the ex-soldiers still think they didn't do anything wrong if they raped prisoners, because they were following orders from the emperor.
Caster51, why do you always assume that all of the women were prostitutes? Do you always believe everything your government tells you? Again, try looking at some other sources, please!

Bring the source "they raped prisoners" here.

Obeika, the Korean witnesses said their families sold them.
I don't know why they don't blame their family and Korean agents who paid the money.

 

[KirinMan]

Bring the source "they raped prisoners" here.
Obeika, the Korean witnesses said their families sold them.
I don't know why they don't blame their family and Korean agents who paid the money.

Here is another point, if Japan had not invaded Korea there would have been no reason for the families to sell their children into working in the brothels, so by association the Japanese Military was guilty.

The point is if Japan wasnt there it wouldnt have happened, plain and simple.

Can you justify the actions of the Japanese Imperial Army?

 

[Mikawa Ossan]

Wait a minute...perhaps I need to do some research, but I was always under the impression that Korea was never "invaded". Although there was some violence in the mix, Korea's annexation was mostly political, not military, in nature.

 

[KirinMan]

Wait a minute...perhaps I need to do some research, but I was always under the impression that Korea was never "invaded". Although there was some violence in the mix, Korea's annexation was mostly political, not military, in nature.

From what I understand of the history of the period it was the Japanese military that initially invaded Korea and the military rule was ruthless for the first 10 or 15 (?) yrs.

The rest is just semantics, it isnt like the Korean people invited the Japanese to come take over their country now is it?

Also it still doesnt change the point at hand either, if Japan had not been there the issue wouldn't exist. It is that plain and simple to me.

However now we are going to have to see the posts by certain members here turning and twisting the story around to lay the blame on a different country and different era.

 

[frostyg02uk]

I blame France post 2000A.D

;oP

 

[caster51]

Korean M&A with Japan was requested by koreans biggest politics group first.
off couse some of them were opposite and did violent demonstration like today.

 

[caster51]

The point is if Japan wasnt there it wouldnt have happened, plain and simple.
Can you justify the actions of the Japanese Imperial Army?

it has nothing to do with Japanese army.

 

[KirinMan]

it has nothing to do with Japanese army.

Ok I'll take the bait Caster why not?

 

[pipokun]

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However now we are going to have to see the posts by certain members here turning and twisting the story around to lay the blame on a different country and different era.

No, it was the same era that the US brought Indian women to China after they came to know STD infected Chinese women and praised Aussie military brothels in Palestine because they were well-organised by the military.
I don't justify the military brothel. It was just there.

"if-then" argument is interesting, but just count how many high-ranked military officers from colonised countries. How many Indonesian officers used Dutch people? A Japanese military officer commited suicide after he knew his Korean officer was killed in Hiroshima. And his dead body was quickly sent to Korea in the turbulent period, even for Japanese.

It is a joke that a rich and developed country like Korea cannot meet the US visa waiver program, no visa waiver more than 3% illegal immigarant.

 

[KirinMan]

It is a joke that a rich and developed country like Korea cannot meet the US visa waiver program, no visa waiver more than 3% illegal immigarant.

Thank you for showing me to be right when I wrote the following.

However now we are going to have to see the posts by certain members here turning and twisting the story around to lay the blame on a different country and different era

The rest has nothing to do with the Comfort Women issue. So it just helps to reinforce my comment above, thank you!

 

[diceke]

Wait a minute...perhaps I need to do some research, but I was always under the impression that Korea was never "invaded". Although there was some violence in the mix, Korea's annexation was mostly political, not military, in nature.

Good point! It's called gunboat diplomacy.☝

Gunboat diplomacy - Wikipedia

 

[Mikawa Ossan]

That's right, but gunboat diplomacy is very different from an actual invasion!

 

[pipokun]

Thank you for showing me to be right when I wrote the following.
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With pleasure.

So tell me why the military brothel is an intolorent crime.

 

[KirinMan]

So tell me why the military brothel is an intolorent crime.

Sorry I am not going to repeat myself here, if you want to re~read my answer about this please go back through this thread to find my response.

 

[pipokun]

Obeika, the same again. The witnesses? They clearly claimed it was their families who sold them for money like the ones in the Korean war or the post war Korean history.
The issue mysteriously brought up 40 years after the war when a Japanese writer asserted Japanese kidnapped Korean women.

You have never answered my question.

 

[KirinMan]

Ok refresh my memory please, what is the question?

 

[pipokun]

why the military brothel is an intolorent crime?

 

[KirinMan]

why the military brothel is an intolorent crime?

I thought I answered this on this thread or on the other one related to this issue if I havent let me answer it here now. However if I missed it I apologize.

I have no problem per say with the military brothel's, it's a fact of history that there were "camp" followers during just about every military campaign throughout history.

HOWEVER, to me at least, it is inconceivable that 200,000 women were all prostitutes following the camps of the Japanese military during WWII.

As I have writen before, just because a woman was given money for sex or rape does not make them a prostitute.

MY, point is and always has been the manner that the women were cooerced into servicing the Japanese military. Whether or not a woman or girl was sold into servitude, by their family, because of economic conditions of the time or otherwise, into a military brothel, soley for the purpose of "pleasuring" the Japanese military through sex, whether paid for or otherwise was and is immoral and deserving of recognition as being victims, of the Japanese military during WWII.

To cover up the issue, imo is also immoral.

It happened, whatever the scale, what ever the number of women involved, 200,000 or 20, it happened and no matter what you or anyone else here decides to write against in reply will NEVER change the fact that this issue came about because of the Japanese Imperial Army being where it was at the time period in question.

 

[pipokun]

So you think the number does not matter, right?
I don't know why I don't hear any strong voices against other brothels like the Japanese adovocate group agitates.
As Prof. Hata, maybe you don't believe what he says, described his field-research in Korea, Koreans said Korean people would have been mad if as many as 200000 women were kidnapped.

Don't worry no Japanese, the far-right or not, deny the existance of the brothel at all, but it is so funny some claim Japan deny the exsistance. It was not a bad compromise for Japan to do the AWF, for the 80' when the issue broke out was the time South Korea became a democratic country and unstable. But it is not fair at all without taking the money and still claim that Japan did nothing.

 

[Elizabeth van Kampen]

Well, I learnt one thing from you all; If reincarnation exists then I'll try to come back into this world as a man. Seems saver somehow!

 

[caster51]

Koreans said Korean people would have been mad if as many as 200000 women were kidnapped.

WOW. it was impossible.
it would be tumult in whole country even at that time.
Only fool believes.
it would not understand the meaning of its number

 

[junjunforever]

military brothel is unethical, but what japanese imperailist army carried out is not a military brothel. They captured women raped them, and forced them in the so called brothels.

Just read a news that they found more evidence of this happening, this time in guam. U.S. (militar?) court then judged that japanese soldiers raped a 17 yeard old girl in front of her parents and forced her into the so-called brothel and had her work in there for 6 month.

I also watching a documentary last week on the death march in the philippines. American and philippino soldiers dying, and some were recruited into other Asain mines. When American forces stormed in, the order was to "kill all american POWs and destroy all evidence" Thankfully, American army got into the main camp before japan could take action, and most of still-surviving soldiers were saved. In the interview the one person said something of this line

"i cant forgive the japanese. I know i should, but how can i forgive someone who denies any wrongdoing?" and he shed tears.

pipokun and caster, i would like you directly tell people like Elizabeth, and others who have actually suffered in the war, and tell them japan did nothing wrong. You gusy have no shame.

 

[junjunforever]

Japanese government's position changes frequently.

Initial government response and litigation
Initially the Japanese government denied any official connection to the wartime brothels; in June 1990, the Japanese government declared that all brothels were run by private contractors.

In 1990, the Korean Council for Women Drafted for Military Sexual Slavery filed suit, demanding compensation. Several surviving comfort women also independently filed suit in the Tokyo District Court. The court rejected these claims on grounds such as statute of limitations, the immunity of the State at the time of the act concerned, and non-subjectivity of the individual of international law.[24]


Kono statement
However, in 1992, the historian Yoshiaki Yoshimi discovered incriminating documents in the archives of Japan's Defense Agency indicating that the military was directly involved in running the brothels (by, for example, selecting the agents who recruited).[25] When Yoshimi's findings were published in the Japanese media on January 12, 1993, they caused a sensation and forced the government, represented by Chief Cabinet Secretary, Koichi Kato, to acknowledge some of the facts the same day. On January 17, Prime minister Kiichi Miyazawa presented formal apologies for the suffering of the victims during a trip to South Korea.

On August 4 in 1993, Yohei Kono, the Chief Cabinet Secretary of the Japanese government, issued a statement by which it recognized that "Comfort stations were operated in response to the request of the military of the day", that "The Japanese military was directly or indirectly involved in the establishment and management of the comfort stations and the transfer of the women" and that the women "were recruited in many cases against their own will through coaxing and coercion".


On 2 March 2007, the issue was raised again by Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe, in which he denied that the military had forced women into sexual slavery during World War II in an orchestrated way. He stated, "The fact is, there is no evidence to prove there was coercion." Before he spoke, a group of Liberal Democratic Party lawmakers also sought to revise Yohei Kono's 1993 apology to former comfort women.[31][28]




japan has never truly apologized for its wrong doings. they are nazis of asia... currently in ruling. Thank god most japanese people are sensible enough to not kill foreginers even if abe and its imperalistic government gave orders to do so.

 

[Masamune_74]

Japanese government's position changes frequently.

Initially the Japanese government denied any official connection to the wartime brothels...On January 17, Prime minister Kiichi Miyazawa presented formal apologies for the suffering of the victims during a trip to South Korea...japan has never truly apologized for its wrong doings. they are nazis of asia... currently in ruling. Thank god most japanese people are sensible enough to not kill foreginers even if abe and its imperalistic government gave orders to do so.

HMMMM...did I read this right??

"Thank god most Japanese people are sensible enough to not kill foreigners."

How about the U.S.??

Don't mind me just playing devils advocate here.

By the way it's not nice to call people Nazi's even if they did subscribe to that political sect decades ago. I wouldn't call you a slave master.

 

[pipokun]

junjunforever, tell me when you government disclasified the diplomatic documents which clearly states South Korea obtained the money from Japan.
The Kono statement was really stupid. Both parties should have just confirmed what Japan paid. But it showed great consideration to the new democratic county then.

Do you think your govenment is fair without having said it to the public for such a long time?

they are nazis of asia

You don't have to be too emotional. You think the military brothel is unethical, right? Why don't you sue the UN or the US who (has) stationed your country and built up tons of brothels?