Comfort Women What do you think?

[The7thSamurai]

I think most japanese think Netherlands in indonasia was more was crueller than japanese against Indonesian

Are you joking? Please tell me that you're a troll and that you don't actually believe this. From what I know, yes, the Indonesians initially did welcome the Japanese, however because the Japanese army was so cruel and barbaric this attitude soon changed.

Japanese occupation of the Dutch East Indies - Wikipedia

 

[caster51]

Are you joking? Please tell me that you're a troll and that you don't actually believe this. From what I know, yes, the Indonesians initially did welcome the Japanese, however because the Japanese army was so cruel and barbaric this attitude soon changed.

why are they sing a song in Japanese

The Heroes of Indonesia : National Revolution 1945

I am sure The Japanese also did to indonasian cruel.
However, Japan did not treat them as an animal .
Japan did them as a Man

 

[hanachan]

Bucko, Wiki is the free encyclopedia. So the argument is required about its description.
Here you show the history from victor's side only.
Japan or Indonesian side is not prepared yet. (even no translation)
Anyway I don't think that Dutch people were loved so much in Indonesia at that time. Of course individually yes.
Generally, Indonesian people didn't like Dutch people.
After WW2 and still current time, Indonesia and Japan have had a good relationship. It's true. Why?
Do you know what Holland did in Indonesia after WW2? They did not get their independence peacefully.

 

[Elizabeth van Kampen]

Holland never ever should have started a war against the Indonesians. They should have sit around the table with president Sukarno and minister Hatta and sign the papers. Since 1947 not one country should be the colony of een other country. I have said it before, this war between the Netherlands and Indonesia, was a very black page in our history.

Only...Indonesia is group of big and thousands of small islands. All the islands are dominated by the Javanese, the island Java.
Papua wants to be free from Java, but that is not allowed. Aceh on Sumatra wants to be free from Indonesia ( Java) but that is impossible.

Before WWII many countries had colonies and and oppressed other nations!
Today some small nations are still oppressed by bigger nations. Tibet?
And in Africa? There is still no peace, there is still war in many places.

Caster51, I pay the school for 13 Indonesian children, 4 on Sumba, 2 in Kalimantan, and 7 in Malang, East Java. I know that education is the best weapon in life. Besides I have always loved the Indonesians more than any other race in this world.
Ah well I do my best in this world, but I can't dp more.

 

[KirinMan]

I was watching a news program this morning and one of the commentators stated that Japan has a responsibility to acknowledge the fact that if it hadn't been "there" meaning involved in WWII this and other issues, that still haunt the country, would not have occured.

His way of thinking to be at the minimum sounded like, "If we, Japan, hadn't been there in the first place it wouldn't have happened". We have to accept the fact that with regards to this issue, Japan was the reason and cause that it occured.

I agree with his logic.

 

[frostyg02uk]

Hmm but if you go by that logic everyone would be saying if only hitler hadnt of been here (germany) then WW2 wouldnt of happened.
In a sense hes right if Japan hadnt of been there they wouldnt of used comfort women but that borders on the obvious, simular to saying if man X hadnt of been there he wouldnt of died. As someone said before..or another thread not sure, that americans used comfort women after WW2. so if we talk about it as an issue it still happened just by a different nation. To the victim it doesnt matter who abuses them, its all the same. At this point there isnt much reason to say Ifs, buts and maybes especially ones as obvious as that. If we think about even our own single lives the amount of ifs envolved is endless, If my grandad hadnt of moved to london for work after the war he maybe wouldnt of moved to australia after that work dried up and met my granmother, if they hadnt of moved back to ireland my mother wouldnt of met my dad.

I think WW2 has been the biggest educator against war ever and im sure each nation would rather not of been envolved but facing facts we were envolved and rather then thinking about the Ifs, buts and maybes i think we should keep concentrating on ways to make sure it doesnt happen again and of course where its due trying to settle with victims. What i majorly disagree with though is people using the victims and past crimes as political tools .

 

[pipokun]

Tell me which program you watched.

 

[KirinMan]

Tell me which program you watched.

Sunday Morning on TBS

 

[caster51]

Sunday Morning on TBS

I did not Know you can understand Japanese☝

 

[KirinMan]

Hmm but if you go by that logic everyone would be saying if only hitler hadnt of been here (germany) then WW2 wouldnt of happened.

I agree with what you write, yet recognition that the problem exists and needs to be dealt with is important as well.

It appears to me at least that the current government wants to ignore it and hope that someday it will go away. Yet international pressure appears to be mounting against Japan, most notably from it's largest trading partner, security blanket and largest ally, the US.

 

[frostyg02uk]

I also agree that it shouldnt be forgotten. I feel the longer you leave a problem the bigger it becomes and i think with the stance on war that Japan now has its important that they make amends with all of the past crimes of WW2. So far i dont think much of Abe the newest PM and i dont see him fixing anything soon but in truth even if he did where would Japan stand anyway? Like ive said before i think Japan should say sorry in the most fitting way but also other countries need to stop using this as political tools and start thinking about the victims other then their popularity.

 

[pinkichan]

i really feel sorry for the comfort women.. and yes i believe they are true.. the stories are true.. until now many grannies who was treated as comfort women when japanese invaded the philippines has gotten old with the issue unresolved and never getting their justice..

 

[caster51]

yes i believe they are true.. the stories are true.. until now many grannies who was treated as comfort women when japanese invaded the philippines has gotten old with the issue unresolved and never getting their justice..

again...
i think it belives or not.
it is not a religion matter like belief

 

[pipokun]

i really feel sorry for the comfort women.. and yes i believe they are true.. the stories are true.. until now many grannies who was treated as comfort women when japanese invaded the philippines has gotten old with the issue unresolved and never getting their justice..

Projects in the Philippines
http://www.awf.or.jp/english/project1.html

 

[KirinMan]

Projects in the Philippines
http://www.awf.or.jp/english/project1.html

Probably well intentioned however not the government, so not accepted by other than a token few women. Too bad, so sad.

 

[pipokun]

After the war, the Philippines signed the San Francisco Peace Treaty, legally resolving issues between Japan and the Philippines with regard to reparations, material restitution and the right to claim for war damage. Then in 1956, Japan and the Philippines signed a Reparations Agreement, in accordance with Article 14 (a) 1 of the Peace Treaty. Under that Agreement, Japan provided the Philippines with services and goods valued at the equivalent of 550 million dollars.

This is the reason. Of course, Japan and South Korea reached the post-war agreements quite a long time ago, though it was really sad for the both countries that South Korea had kept it secret to the public.

Look at the other hypocracy like the Agent Orange. The governement have/will never acknoledge it officially, but the victims except the Vietnamese got the out-of-court settlement.

 

[junjunforever]

well, whats the point about coming to an agreement and denying all wrongdoings.

BTW, a paper is saying that Sophia University professor has called the comfort women prostitutes, and says Japanese wrong doing is only comparable to American bombing of Tokyo and nuclear bombs.

It seriously makes other people wonder, "wasnt it you who started the war and told your pilots to fight until death"? If american hadnt taken such drastic actions, it was obvious the war would not have ended.

 

[caster51]

If american hadnt taken such drastic actions, it was obvious the war would not have ended.

only inteligent ppls know it

 

[KirinMan]

well, whats the point about coming to an agreement and denying all wrongdoings

There are those that will say that this issue was covered under the agreements signed so there is no need to doing anything now.

However, due to the extrememly sensitive nature of the issue, and the cultural issues of the people and countries involved it has taken much longer for the enorminty of the issue to fully come to light.

That's why, even with all the side stepping by the Japanese Administration, people throughout the world will not let Japan forget, and rightfully so I think.

 

[Elizabeth van Kampen]

Each time I read about the comfort women I can cry.
In January 1944 I had to stand in line with many other women and girls, while Japanese officers looked us up and down. I can still hear the heartrending crying from the women who were chosen by the officers and been taken away from our concentration camp.
Comfort women? Prostitutes? No all the women and girls who have been raped and been abused during WWII by the Japanese army are 100% war victims.

Pinkichan said it well: today they are grannies. But they still feel the pain and the shame for being misused during the Japanese occupation of several countries in Asia.
I feel deeply sorry for each one of all these abused women and girls.

 

[caster51]

the comfort womwn who followed soldiers

the comfot women who play the mahjong

one of comfort woman saving acount
wow she was so rich at that time


Japan should express gratitude to them for their good service

 

[KirinMan]

Comfort women? Prostitutes? No all the women and girls who have been raped and been abused during WWII by the Japanese army are 100% war victims.

Elizabeth while I agree with you here I doubt that some Japanese will admit this as true. I believe that they dont see prostitutes as victims.

 

[pipokun]

Elizabeth while I agree with you here I doubt that some Japanese will admit this as true. I believe that they dont see prostitutes as victims.

In the former Soviet Union, prostition was not illegal, or I should say no law against prostition, because no prostitution in the perfect society. Therefore, there were so many rapes where they occupied in Asia or Europe.
Tell me why the military brothel is illegal.

 

[KirinMan]

Tell me why the military brothel is illegal.

I have never written here that the brothel was illegal. However I have said and will continue to argue that the manner in which many, most?, of the women were forced into working there was.

That is the entire point of the comfort women issue.

 

[gaijinalways]

Some of the ex-soldiers still think they didn't do anything wrong if they raped prisoners, because they were following orders from the emperor.

Caster51, why do you always assume that all of the women were prostitutes? Do you always believe everything your government tells you? Again, try looking at some other sources, please!