Comfort Women What do you think?

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That's not true.

Elizabeth, this is the only part of Pipokuns statement that I agree with, (The rest however is once again well.........) I know that they teach more than just;

They didn't teach the kids at that time what really happened, only about the two A-Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

When you say "at that time", what time are you refering to? There were no textbooks dealing with WWII in Japan until well into the late 1950's if what I am told is correct. Plus the atrocities committed by the Japanese Imperial Army were hidden from public record for many years after that as well. This issue while known about earlier, by the women themselves of course, only came up in the late 1980's

The devastation that the Okinawan people suffered at the hands of both the Japanese and Americans is well documented and taught in schools not only now but in the past as well. Well at least here it is.

We have eyewitnesses, but not many proofs, so Japan denies the eyewitnesses and send them to the world of hallucinations and lies. Many Japanese feel that we are all exaggerating. And that we don't like or trust the Japanese in general. That we want to make them look worse during WWII than they were.
I am convinced that there were far more fine Japanese than war criminals.

I agree with you here Elizabeth and this is where the problems stem from, it has been noted on a number of occasions here about the destruction of records, so there is no "proof" other than eyewitness accounts.

I am convinced that there were far more fine Japanese than war criminals.
I am convinced that many Japanese mothers, wives and sisters and daughters wanted the war to be ended as soon as possible, while they were so terribly worried about their loved ones overseas fighting against the enemy.

Well said, and I think you will agree with me that this is the world over as well, not just Japan.

But alas, there were also war criminals and war crimes! There were thousand of young women and young girls who were no prostitutes at all, but misused by the Japanese army overseas. That should be admitted and then we can all shake hands.

Finally this is a fact as well, but when will the day come that Japan finally acknowledges this? I have my doubts, hence I fear that future generations of Japanese children will live in ignorance and continually wonder why neighboring countries mistrust and "hate" them because of their past.
 
about Unit 731.
there is a propaganda pic that they said japan did..
Here is a korean museum propagande pic.
http://koreaphoto.hp.infoseek.co.jp/image/731_6.jpg
herer is chinese one
http://park6.wakwak.com/~photo/image/731_1.jpg
those pics are incident of ツ催鞘?愿ャナス窶毒陳渉(seinan)in 1928 on japanese Shimpo journal
these victims were Japanese lady and civilian.
why do they use these one as a propaganda.
and foreigner believe them like a fool.

there are prejudice and victory rule that japan was an evil
and their excuse is they were worse than ours

 
why do they use these one as a propaganda.
and foreigner believe them like a fool.

Caster making accusations or calling foreigners fools is not a great way to get your point across.

What is your goal here? What point are you attempting to make?

Also now who is the one putting propaganda here? :eek:
 
What is your goal here? What point are you attempting to make?
it is not about me.here...LOL
here is not religion things that want to belive
just try and bring a objective evidence.
 
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this is an original of Report No. 49: Japanese Prisoners of War Interrogation on Prostitution: La Segunda Guerra Mundial


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UNITED STATES OFFICE OF WAR INFORMATION
Psychological Warfare Team
Attached to U.S. Army Forces India-Burma Theater
APO 689
Japanese Prisoner
of War Interrogation
Report No. 49.
Place interrogated: Ledo Stockade
Date interrogated: Aug. 20 - Sept. 10, 1944
Date of Report: October 1, 1944
By: T/3 Alex Yorichi
_____________________________________________________________________
Prisoners : 20 Korean Comfort Girls
Date of Capture : August 10, 1944
Date of Arrival : August 15, 1994
at Stockade
_____________________________________________________________________
PREFACE;

This report is based on the information obtained from the interrogation of twenty Korean "comfort girls" and two Japanese civilians captured around the tenth of August, 1944 in the mopping up operations after the fall of Myitkyina in Burma.
The report shows how the Japanese recruited these Korean "comfort girls", the conditions under which they lived and worked, their relations with and reaction to the Japanese soldier, and their understanding of the military
situation.

A "comfort girl" is nothing more than a prostitute or "professional camp follower" attached to the Japanese Army for the benefit of the soldiers. The word "comfort girl" is peculiar to the Japanese. Other reports show the "comfort girls" have been found wherever it was necessary for the Japanese Army to fight. This report however deals only with the Korean "comfort girls" recruited by the Japanese and attached to their Army in Burma. The Japanese are reported to have shipped some 703 of these girls to Burma in 1942.

RECRUITING;

Early in May of 1942 Japanese agents arrived in Korea for the purpose of enlisting Korean girls for "comfort service" in newly conquered Japanese territories in Southeast Asia. The nature of this "service" was not specified but it was assumed to be work connected with visiting the wounded in hospitals, rolling bandages, and generally making the soldiers happy. The inducement used by these agents was plenty of money, an opportunity to pay off the family debts, easy work, and the prospect of a new life in a new land, Singapore. On the basis of these false representations many girls enlisted for overseas duty and were rewarded with an advance of a few hundred yen.
The majority of the girls were ignorant and uneducated, although a few had been connected with "oldest profession on earth" before. The contract they signed bound them to Army regulations and to work for the "house master" for a period of from six months to a year depending on the family debt for which they were advanced.
Approximately 800 of these girls were recruited in this manner and they landed with their Japanese "house master" at Rangoon around August 20th, 1942. They came in groups of from eight to twenty-two. From here they were distributed to various parts of Burma, usually to fair sized towns near Japanese Army camps.
Eventually four of these units reached the Myitkyina vicinity. They were, Kyoei, Kinsui, Bakushinro, and Momoya. The Kyoei house was called the "Maruyama Club", but was changed when the girls reached Myitkyina as Col. Maruyama, commander of the garrison at Myitkyina, objected to the similarity to his name.

PERSONALITY;

The interrogations show the average Korean "comfort girl" to be about twenty five years old, uneducated, childish, and selfish. She is not pretty either by Japanese of Caucasian standards. She is inclined to be egotistical and likes to talk about herself. Her attitude in front of strangers is quiet and demure, but she "knows the wiles of a woman." She claims to dislike her "profession" and would rather not talk either about it or her family. Because of the kind treatment she received as a prisoner from American soldiers at Myitkyina and Ledo, she feels that they are more emotional than Japanese soldiers. She is afraid of Chinese and Indian troops.

LIVING AND WORKING CONDITIONS;

In Myitkyina the girls were usually quartered in a large two story house (usually a school building) with a separate room for each girl. There each girl lived, slept, and transacted business. In Myitkyina their food was prepared by and purchased from the "house master" as they received no regular ration from the Japanese Army. They lived in near-luxury in Burma in comparison to other places. This was especially true of their second year in Burma. They lived well because their food and material was not heavily rationed and they had plenty of money with which to purchase desired articles. They were able to buy cloth, shoes, cigarettes, and cosmetics to supplement the many gifts given to them by soldiers who had received "comfort bags" from home.
While in Burma they amused themselves by participating in sports events with both officers and men, and attended picnics, entertainments, and social dinners. They had a phonograph and in the towns they were allowed to go shopping.

PRIOR SYSTEM;

The conditions under which they transacted business were regulated by the Army, and in congested areas regulations were strictly enforced. The Army found it necessary in congested areas to install a system of prices, priorities, and schedules for the various units operating in a particular area. According to interrogations the average system was as follows;
1. Soldiers 10 AM to 5 PM 1.50 yen 20 to 30 minutes
2. NCOs 5 PM to 9 PM 3.00 yen 30 to 40 minutes
3. Officers 9 PM to 12 PM 5.00 yen 30 to 40 minutes
These were average prices in Central Burma. Officers were allowed to stay overnight for twenty yen. In Myitkyina Col. Maruyama slashed the prices to almost one-half of the average price.

SCHEDULES ;

The soldiers often complained about congestion in the houses. In many situations they were not served and had to leave as the army was very strict about overstaying. In order to overcome this problem the Army set aside certain days for certain units. Usually two men from the unit for the day were stationed at the house to identify soldiers. A roving MP was also on hand to keep order. Following is the schedule used by the "Kyoei" house for the various units of the 18th Division while at Maymyo;
Sunday -----------18th Div. Hdqs. Staff
Monday ----------Cavalry
Tuesday ----------Engineers
Wednesday ----- Day off and weekly physical exam.
Thursday --------Medics
Friday ------------Mountain artillery
Saturday ---------Transport
Officers were allowed to come seven nights a week. The girls complained that even with the schedule congestion was so great that they could not care for all guests, thus causing ill feeling among many of the soldiers.
Soldiers would come to the house, pay the price and get tickets of cardboard about two inches square with the prior on the left side and the name of the house on the other side. Each soldier's identity or rank was then established after which he "took his turn in line". The girls were allowed the prerogative of refusing a customer. This was often done if the person were too drunk.

PAY AND LIVING CONDITIONS;

The "house master" received fifty to sixty per cent of the girls' gross earnings depending on how much of a debt each girl had incurred when she signed her contract. This meant that in an average month a girl would gross about fifteen hundred yen. She turned over seven hundred and fifty to the "master". Many "masters" made life very difficult for the girls by charging them high prices for food and other articles.
In the latter part of 1943 the Army issued orders that certain girls who had paid their debt could return home. Some of the girls were thus allowed to return to Korea.
The interrogations further show that the health of these girls was good. They were well supplied with all types of contraceptives, and often soldiers would bring their own which had been supplied by the army. They were well trained in looking after both themselves and customers in the matter of hygiene. A regular Japanese Army doctor visited the houses once a week and any girl found diseased was given treatment, secluded, and eventually sent to a hospital. This same procedure was carried on within the ranks of the Army itself, but it is interesting to note that a soldier did not lose pay during the period he was confined.

REACTIONS TO JAPANESE SOLDIERS;

In their relations with the Japanese officers and men only two names of any consequence came out of interrogations. They were those of Col. Maruyama, commander of the garrison at Myitkyina and Maj.Gen. Mizukami, who brought in reinforcements. The two were exact opposites. The former was hard, selfish and repulsive with no consideration for his men; the latter a good, kind man and a fine soldier, with the utmost consideration for those who worked under him. The Colonel was a constant habitue of the houses while the General was never known to have visited them. With the fall of Myitkyina, Col. Maruyama supposedly deserted while Gen. Mizukami committed suicide because he could not evacuate the men.

SOLDIERS' REACTIONS;

The average Japanese soldier is embarrassed about being seen in a "comfort house" according to one of the girls who said, "when the place is packed he is apt to be ashamed if he has to wait in line for his turn". However there were numerous instances of proposals of marriage and in certain cases marriages actually took place.
All the girls agreed that the worst officers and men who came to see them were those who were drunk and leaving for the front the following day. But all likewise agreed that even though very drunk the Japanese soldier never discussed military matters or secrets with them. Though the girls might start the conversation about some military matter the officer or enlisted man would not talk, but would in fact "scold us for discussing such un-lady like subjects. Even Col. Maruyama when drunk would never discuss such matters."
The soldiers would often express how much they enjoyed receiving magazines, letters and newspapers from home. They also mentioned the receipt of "comfort bags" filled with canned goods, magazines, soap, handkerchiefs, toothbrush, miniature doll, lipstick, and wooden clogs. The lipstick and clogs were definitely feminine and the girls couldn't understand why the people at home were sending such articles. They speculated that the sender could only have had themselves or the "native girls" in mind.

REACTION TO THE MILITARY SITUATION;

It appears that they know very little about the military situation around Myitkyina even up to end including the time of their retreat and capture. There is however some information worth noting;
"In the initial attack on Myitkyina and the airstrip about two hundred Japanese died in battle, leaving about two hundred to defend the town. Ammunition was very low.
"Col. Maruyama dispersed his men. During the following days the enemy were shooting haphazardly everywhere. It was a waste since they didn't seem to aim at any particular thing. The Japanese soldiers on the other hand had orders to fire one shot at a time and only when they were sure of a hit."
Before the enemy attacked on the west airstrip, soldiers stationed around Myitkyina were dispatched elsewhere, to stem the Allied attack in the North and West. About four hundred men were left behind, largely from the 114th Regiment. Evidently Col. Maruyama did not expect the town to be attacked. Later Maj.Gen. Mizukami of the 56th Division brought in reinforcements of more than two regiments but these were unable to hold the town.
It was the consensus among the girls that Allied bombings were intense and frightening and because of them they spent most of their last days in foxholes. One or two even carried on work there. The comfort houses were bombed and several of the girls were wounded and killed.

RETREAT AND CAPTURE;

The story of the retreat and final capture of the "comfort girls" is somewhat vague and confused in their own minds. From various reports it appears that the following occurred; on the night of July 31st a party of sixty three people including the "comfort girls" of three houses (Bakushinro was merged with Kinsui), families, and helpers, started across the Irrawaddy River in small boats. They eventually landed somewhere near Waingmaw, They stayed there until August 4th, but never entered Waingmaw. From there they followed in the path of a group of soldiers until August 7th when there was a skirmish with the enemy and the party split up. The girls were ordered to follow the soldiers after three hour interval. They did this only to find themselves on the bank of a river with no sign of the soldiers or any means of crossing. They remained in a nearby house until August 10th when they were captured by Kaahin soldiers led by an English officer. They were taken to Myitkyina and then to the Ledo stockade where the interrogation which form the basis of this report took place.

PROPAGANDA;

The girls know practically nothing of any propaganda leaflets that had been used against the Japanese. They had seen a few leaflets in the hands of the soldiers but most of them were unable to understand them as they were in Japanese and the soldiers refused to discuss them with the girls. One girl remembered the leaflet about Col. Maruyama (apparently it were Myitkyina Troop Appeal), but she did not believe it. Other heard the soldiers discussing leaflets from time to time but no tangible remarks resulted from their eavesdropping. However it is interesting to note that one officer expressed the view that ツ"Japan can't win this warツ".

REQUESTS;

None of the girls appeared to have heard the loudspeaker used at Myitkyina but very did overhear the soldiers mention a "radio broadcast".
They asked that leaflets telling of the capture of the "comfort girls" should not be used for it would endanger the lives of other girls if the Army knew of their capture. They did think it would be a good idea to utilize the fact of their capture in any droppings planned for Korea.
 
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Caster dont know if that document is real or not, interesting reading but it is rather hard to understand where it actually came from. The site that posted this "document" is unfortunately in another language, Spanish maybe, and I can not read it.
Yesterday 23:14
Origina is correct one.
I think that was written by nikkei soldiers
 
so, a spanish knows anout it well?
it is a good information
Time will tell, and to be honest with you I have a hard time on occasion "trusting" your sources of information.

However I give you credit for finding them.
 
Time will tell, and to be honest with you I have a hard time on occasion "trusting" your sources of information.
why?
because Japanese is evil and inferior?
Oh poor man!!
are you chinese or Korean agent.
Your nature has revealed itself.
if so ,I consent it🙂
 
why?
because Japanese is evil and inferior?
Oh poor man!!
are you chinese or Korean agent.
Your nature has revealed itself.
if so ,I consent it

Caster whatever, this gets tiring on occasion and this is one of those occasions.....:smoke: :gulp: :smoke: :gulp: later.
 
Report No. 49: Japanese Prisoners of War Interrogation on Prostitution: La Segunda Guerra Mundial
Caster dont know if that document is real or not, interesting reading but it is rather hard to understand where it actually came from. The site that posted this "document" is unfortunately in another language, Spanish maybe, and I can not read it.

The document is not nothing new at all.
I told you before that you could even find the victor's documents in the AWF.

http://www.awf.or.jp/program/index.html

As I said before, the 5th volume contains lots of the victor's documents in English.
 
The document is not nothing new at all.
I told you before that you could even find the victor's documents in the AWF.
http://www.awf.or.jp/program/index.html
As I said before, the 5th volume contains lots of the victor's documents in English.
Does it justify the actions of the Japanese Government at the time?

Can you honestly tell us here that the Japanese Government is without guilt in regards to this issue?
 
Does it justify the actions of the Japanese Government at the time?
Can you honestly tell us here that the Japanese Government is without guilt in regards to this issue?
Nobody justifies it at all. It is only the activist who claims Japan did nothing.

Do you think the activist is fair who forced the victim not to take the compensation and keep agitating Japan did nothing?
 
Nobody justifies it at all. It is only the activist who claims Japan did nothing.


Before I answer this please remember one thing...when you ask a question I do my best to answer it or respond to it, I would appreciate you and others doing the same.:-)


I haven't heard anyone say that Japan has done "nothing", I think the problem is that Japan hasn't done enough.
 
The war was over 60 years ago.

There was a war crimes tribunal, which is well completed.

Japan has made agreements with many of the countries in question.

It's time to move beyond the past and focus on the present and future.

Just my opinion.
 
The war was over 60 years ago....

It's time to move beyond the past and focus on the present and future.
Just my opinion.

I agree with you, however one of the problems is how to present and teach the future generations of children in this region what happened.

The governments' intentions on rewriting history is an issue today. Until an acceptable solution is found there will be no satisfactory closure to this episode from Japanese history.
 
Can you honestly tell us here that the Japanese Government is without guilt in regards to this issue?

It has been settled for ages, so I don't know why we have to be with guilt now.
I answered your question.

Is Korea fair?

Disclosed diplomatic documents

At that time when mysteriously the issue broke out 40 years after the war, or even now, the stablity in the Korean Peninsula was/is more important than mere Japan-bashing there. Therefore, Japan did something unnecessary, the private fund stuff.
The nobel prize winner Kim was great to say Korea would never play the history card in the '90. But even for him, he could not disclassify the diplomatic documents that clearly mentioned Japan did compensate, even suggested she should compensate the victim on private basis, but unfortunately Korea declined the Japan's offer and invested the money for their growth.

Onto rewriting history...
Again, look at the documents in the AWF. Japan does not hide anything at all. You can even find documents in which a soldier killed a women out of jealousy, (they were engaged, but I suppose he did not have any understanding on her job, even after they met each other at a brothel), and of course, he was persecuted in the due process, or women got married soldiers even in the turbulent time.
 
It has been settled for ages, so I don't know why we have to be with guilt now.
I answered your question.
Is Korea fair?
Disclosed diplomatic documents

At that time when mysteriously the issue broke out 40 years after the war, or even now, the stablity in the Korean Peninsula was/is more important than mere Japan-bashing there. Therefore, Japan did something unnecessary, the private fund stuff.
The nobel prize winner Kim was great to say Korea would never play the history card in the '90. But even for him, he could not disclassify the diplomatic documents that clearly mentioned Japan did compensate, even suggested she should compensate the victim on private basis, but unfortunately Korea declined the Japan's offer and invested the money for their growth.
Onto rewriting history...
Again, look at the documents in the AWF. Japan does not hide anything at all. You can even find documents in which a soldier killed a women out of jealousy, (they were engaged, but I suppose he did not have any understanding on her job, even after they met each other at a brothel), and of course, he was persecuted in the due process, or women got married soldiers even in the turbulent time.

Ok then why does the current PM say differently?
 
Before I answer this please remember one thing...when you ask a question I do my best to answer it or respond to it, I would appreciate you and others doing the same.:-)

Is Korea fair?

why does the current PM say differently?
Nobody denys or justifies the military brothel.

It was really unfortunate for women that the activist does not care about them. All they are doing is just to politicise the issue. Just look at the issues between Japan and Korea;
the territorial dispute (Japan peacefully suggests we should solve the issue at the Hague), the name dispute on the sea (it is just a name, no Japanese think the sea belongs to Japan), etc...
 
Interesting. . . Really interesting. I don't know how to use the multiple quote function, and I'm too ready for bed now to worry about doing all the manual work, so. . . please forgive me.

I rather liked the presentation given by Guinea Pig there.

I agree with you, however one of the problems is how to present and teach the future generations of children in this region what happened.


The way to teach the future generations of children all over the world, here, there and everywhere, would be for one, to teach that war is a crime ! It always has been, and always will be. That's all that needs be done. The detailed arguments of what did or may have happened due to any war mentality are not so powerful when arguing blame. They are powerful when pointing to the thought of human suffering.

For our great grand children's great grand children's world, we should strive to strengthen the value of human in-group bonding. The in-group is the total of humankind--period. War is a crime, and we can only expect crime out of it.
 
The way to teach the future generations of children all over the world, here, there and everywhere, would be for one, to teach that war is a crime ! It always has been, and always will be. That's all that needs be done. The detailed arguments of what did or may have happened due to any war mentality are not so powerful when arguing blame. They are powerful when pointing to the thought of human suffering.

For our great grand children's great grand children's world, we should strive to strengthen the value of human in-group bonding. The in-group is the total of humankind--period. War is a crime, and we can only expect crime out of it.
I agree with you here yet unfortunately I dont think it will ever happen, there just seems to be something within human nature that makes man want to go out and conquer one another.


@pipokun


Is Korea fair?

I answered your questions about Korea.
 
I agree with Mars Man: We should strive towards making the next generations more peacefull. Actually, both canibalism, incest and peadophelia used to be part of our nature when we were more primitive primates. However, because of what sets us apart from animals (who are 100% nature), we have culture. As we have progressed through cultural evolution we are able to rise above the previous levels. I believe that we are as a species basically social, and now that we are increasing able to interact and communicate across countries and continents, the next step in our evolution could be to make war taboo. It might take some time to arrive at that goal - but: why not try?
 
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