Hope&Faith
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- 25 Jul 2016
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Hello guys,
I joined this forum coz i have a delicate question to ask you, about immigration rules in japan (changing every year) and about a personal sad experience, after spending 11 years my life in Tokyo. And with a hope to get some help. Thanks in advance.
I premise that I'll not tell much details about myself and my origins, obviously, for privacy matters.
So, that's my story:
Some years ago, I was condemned to 3 years of forced labour, but commuted to a 5-years suspended sentence (and then kicked out from Japan, despite my great behaviour and career in those past 11 years). I just say, that it was a tragical episode, nothing drug related, not a violent act.... just a tragedy that can happen to anyone... let's call it bad luck ,negative karma, whatsoever... That's why I "pardoned" with a suspended sentence (sadly in Japan, is nearly impossible being acquitted... the suspended sentence is the only way to avoid jail...sad but true).
I had 2 weeks time to leave Japan spontaneously or after 14 days, I would become officially an overstayer and detained in Shinagawa illegal immigrants detention center and then kicked-in an airplane back to home.
Of course, being stressed at the point of taking meds to calm down my mind, after 12 days, I left by myself.
The scar was is healed, I was doing fine, until the day I had the horrible news, that I'm banned from Japan (my second home, as I spent there 40% of my life) for the rest of my days!!! While I thought it was only a 5-years ban, which would expire soon...
The reason is that even if I got the "pardon" trough the suspended sentence, any sentence above 12 months, without even spending one single day in jail, imply a permanent ban from the Country...
The good point, my embassy said, that leaving Japan before those 14 days, no Country in the world will know about my record, and it will be finite only in Japan.
So they suggested me, that at the moment of renewal of my passport, I could state without fear that I'm clean, and travel happily anywhere except Japan...
So I did. No problems at all: new passport and clean.
Well, I thought I would forget my second homeland, soon or later, but that's stronger than me. Even if I could just get a 15-days tourist visa (like recently for Brunei, Thailand and Indonesia), I would the happiest man in the world. Visiting twice a year, all my old Japanese and gaikokujin fellas. Walking around the Shinjuku, Akihabara and Shibuya streets, "smelling the atmosphere" of the old good days, where I have grown my young adulthood...
I often have nightmare that i have decided to head to narita and being sent back... Sometimes I cry, coz I miss my home and friends, and that feeling of being impotent against some excessively strict laws, makes me very depressed...
Ok, that's my experience and this is what I feel about it.
Now, my question is (and PLEASE!!! if someone knows please tell me if there is a way):
I have a dual citizenship. Next year I'll have to renew it as well and based on my first passport, it will be clean, as well.
I was thinking if i could Japan with the other passport or it would be useless, because the fingerprints and facial check at Narita immigration counter...
Someone told me that i should be fine, because the database of fingerprints and and facial recognition are connected only to the nationality.
In short:
1- different passport, no blacklist. Moreover, it's clean and they don't know I have a dual citizenship. They never knew... Also my last visit with the other passport was back in 2002, before I settled there "permanently".
2- Some other people are skeptical, saying that the fingerprints and my face would show up, anyway from their blacklist, confusing the officer and in the worst case been kicked-out from Japan, blamed for trying to deceive them, and even tell my Country's autorities about my past, fouling my passports...
3- Others, just told me to give a try, and f*ck the consequences, if Japan is that important me...
Guys... I'm lost... Don't know what to do... I miss desperately my second home... I'm not expecting to live there anymore (I already have my business, in my "passport countries" plus in Bangkok).
Should I take the risk and try with the second passport? Or you think that the game is not worth the candle?
Do you have any other info to give me? Do you know some lawyer who could solve this situation in some way? I'm talking about LEGAL stuff... Not underground s**t, please.
There is no day I can't stop thinking about, for example, those funny moments with my ex-gf in Odaiba, sitting at the beach, the go to Sega amusement park, going back by the ferry under the illuminated bridge and go to the isakaya close to our home for some snacks and beers... And this is only ONE memory... I have thousands...
50% of my soul is not with me, right now... it remained there, waiting for me, to recompose myself once again.
Thank you in advance, fellas, even for a simply reply.
Have a nice day!
I joined this forum coz i have a delicate question to ask you, about immigration rules in japan (changing every year) and about a personal sad experience, after spending 11 years my life in Tokyo. And with a hope to get some help. Thanks in advance.
I premise that I'll not tell much details about myself and my origins, obviously, for privacy matters.
So, that's my story:
Some years ago, I was condemned to 3 years of forced labour, but commuted to a 5-years suspended sentence (and then kicked out from Japan, despite my great behaviour and career in those past 11 years). I just say, that it was a tragical episode, nothing drug related, not a violent act.... just a tragedy that can happen to anyone... let's call it bad luck ,negative karma, whatsoever... That's why I "pardoned" with a suspended sentence (sadly in Japan, is nearly impossible being acquitted... the suspended sentence is the only way to avoid jail...sad but true).
I had 2 weeks time to leave Japan spontaneously or after 14 days, I would become officially an overstayer and detained in Shinagawa illegal immigrants detention center and then kicked-in an airplane back to home.
Of course, being stressed at the point of taking meds to calm down my mind, after 12 days, I left by myself.
The scar was is healed, I was doing fine, until the day I had the horrible news, that I'm banned from Japan (my second home, as I spent there 40% of my life) for the rest of my days!!! While I thought it was only a 5-years ban, which would expire soon...
The reason is that even if I got the "pardon" trough the suspended sentence, any sentence above 12 months, without even spending one single day in jail, imply a permanent ban from the Country...
The good point, my embassy said, that leaving Japan before those 14 days, no Country in the world will know about my record, and it will be finite only in Japan.
So they suggested me, that at the moment of renewal of my passport, I could state without fear that I'm clean, and travel happily anywhere except Japan...
So I did. No problems at all: new passport and clean.
Well, I thought I would forget my second homeland, soon or later, but that's stronger than me. Even if I could just get a 15-days tourist visa (like recently for Brunei, Thailand and Indonesia), I would the happiest man in the world. Visiting twice a year, all my old Japanese and gaikokujin fellas. Walking around the Shinjuku, Akihabara and Shibuya streets, "smelling the atmosphere" of the old good days, where I have grown my young adulthood...
I often have nightmare that i have decided to head to narita and being sent back... Sometimes I cry, coz I miss my home and friends, and that feeling of being impotent against some excessively strict laws, makes me very depressed...
Ok, that's my experience and this is what I feel about it.
Now, my question is (and PLEASE!!! if someone knows please tell me if there is a way):
I have a dual citizenship. Next year I'll have to renew it as well and based on my first passport, it will be clean, as well.
I was thinking if i could Japan with the other passport or it would be useless, because the fingerprints and facial check at Narita immigration counter...
Someone told me that i should be fine, because the database of fingerprints and and facial recognition are connected only to the nationality.
In short:
1- different passport, no blacklist. Moreover, it's clean and they don't know I have a dual citizenship. They never knew... Also my last visit with the other passport was back in 2002, before I settled there "permanently".
2- Some other people are skeptical, saying that the fingerprints and my face would show up, anyway from their blacklist, confusing the officer and in the worst case been kicked-out from Japan, blamed for trying to deceive them, and even tell my Country's autorities about my past, fouling my passports...
3- Others, just told me to give a try, and f*ck the consequences, if Japan is that important me...
Guys... I'm lost... Don't know what to do... I miss desperately my second home... I'm not expecting to live there anymore (I already have my business, in my "passport countries" plus in Bangkok).
Should I take the risk and try with the second passport? Or you think that the game is not worth the candle?
Do you have any other info to give me? Do you know some lawyer who could solve this situation in some way? I'm talking about LEGAL stuff... Not underground s**t, please.
There is no day I can't stop thinking about, for example, those funny moments with my ex-gf in Odaiba, sitting at the beach, the go to Sega amusement park, going back by the ferry under the illuminated bridge and go to the isakaya close to our home for some snacks and beers... And this is only ONE memory... I have thousands...
50% of my soul is not with me, right now... it remained there, waiting for me, to recompose myself once again.
Thank you in advance, fellas, even for a simply reply.
Have a nice day!