Ancient Japan and the Jews

[caster51]

Israelites Came To Ancient Japan

Many of the traditional ceremonies in Japan seem to be the traces that the Jews and the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel came to ancient Japan. Written by Arimasa Kubo.

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The Mysteries of the Japanese Iroha Syllabary

a website for Onisaburo Deguchi, a

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Wayback Machine

Christianity and its history through Japanese animation: anime

This article explains the integration of Christianity and its history through japanese animation, anime.

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There are still many believers of him.

Onisaburo's Voice and Video

With Onisaburo's teachings as its driving force, the Aizen-en (Garden of Love and Brotherhood) is a religious organization dedicated to the creation of a better society.

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Na-Nee-Ya-Do-Ya-Ra

Tomb of Jesus in Japan

Emishi

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What do you think?

 

[caster51]

Language:

言葉の杜

十
じゅう jew
ten...天（heaven)
cross... korosu (殺す、kill)

 

[nice gaijin]

I think you should include some sort of conversation instead of just a bunch of links...

 

[caster51]

万葉集（まんようしゅう manyoshu)

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マンエフシフ, マンニエフシフ (man-efushifu,man-niefushifu)
This two kinds of pronunciations of is, and either pronunciation becomes a meaning "Talk from the god" in ancient Hebrew.

銀母 金母玉母 奈爾世武爾 麻佐礼留多可良 古爾斯 迦米夜母
しろがねも くがねもたまも なにせむに まされるた から こにしかめやも
shirogane mo kurogane tama mo nanisemuni masareru takara...

Even chinese and korean dont understand this poem in kanji.
Ancient japanese langage had nothing related with korean language.

 

[caster51]

I think you should include some sort of conversation instead of just a bunch of links...

these are just references..
before that , please read those

 

[caster51]

天橋立 in Kyoto （Ama-no-hashidate), there is an interesting Shinto shrine.


Is this photograph seen and what do you imagine?

Amanohashidate

Photos of Amanohashidate

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There is a Shinto shrine called Manai-shrine in the place in which it can look down at this scenery.

There is a fountain that flows from Heap of rocks in precincts.

http://www.ehime-iinet.or.jp/co/sunami/meriba.htm

It was written the origin of Ise Jingu Shrine in the stone.
This is clear also to the record, so It was moved from this place to Ise.
Only the person who knows the Old Testament can build this Shinto shrine in ancient?

This Manai-Shinto shrine reveres the god of food.
Manna means food in Hebrew

 

[Mike Cash]

Jewites National Park

 

[caster51]

Jewites National Park

Wow I never know that
In Gunma..

江戸時代、群馬の古墳から十字架とともにアルファベット を刻んだ銅板が見つかっていた

in edo ara , cross and alphabet characters on sheet copper were discovered from Kofun ...

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Why did they choose Guma?
Because .... near there? One of 高天原山（群馬県上野村）

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[nice gaijin]

these are just references..
before that , please read those

Exactly. The point of having references is to strengthen your position, not make your point for you. If you wish to spark a conversation, try summarizing your argument in your own words; I'm not going to read ten websites just to guess at what you are trying to say.

Also, you might like to know that Mike is having some fun with you, the site is a joke.

 

[caster51]

you might like to know that Mike is having some fun with you, the site is a joke

I know that is why I did not mention about them.
I am not interested in them

If you wish to spark a conversation, try summarizing your argument in your own words

many of people might hear about that for the first time like you .
nobody can disscuss about it which never know at all.
so you are ready to discuss?
Ok
then Japanese ancester was related or came from Israel ?.
everybody can guess what i want to say if you click the web link on the top
I understood that Your interest was not merely invited from topics name of " anciet japan and Jew"

 

[nice gaijin]

There does seem to be some similarities between the two religious cultures, but I see no hard evidence of an actual lineage tie between modern Japanese and ancient Jews. A simple exchange of customs could have happened, either in Japan or the mainland. I see no compelling argument that modern Japanese are descendants of Jewish ancestry, if that is what you are claiming. Do you have any accredited sources?

As for "never know at all," I've actually heard an argument like this before. If you want to say something, use your own words. Posting a bunch of links does not make for good discussion. Make your case, then cite your resources. Otherwise we get sucked into these useless side discussions about how not to start discussions.

 

[leonmarino]

Jewites National Park

Hilarious stuff!!

 

[ArmandV]

Jewites National Park

This place will be on my itinerary the next time I visit Japan!

 

[undrentide]

万葉集（まんようしゅう manyoshu)

マンエフシフ, マンニエフシフ (man-efushifu,man-niefushifu)
This two kinds of pronunciations of is, and either pronunciation becomes a meaning "Talk from the god" in ancient Hebrew.

This is more like a simple "coincidence" between two languages.
In Hungarian lack of saltiness is so'talan しょーたらん which sounds very close to Japanese しおたらん but nobody take this as an evidence that both languages are close or have same origin...



Besides 万葉集 does not mean anything close to "talk from the god".

銀母 金母玉母 奈爾世武爾 麻佐礼留多可良 古爾斯 迦米夜母
しろがねも くがねもたまも なにせむに まされるた から こにしかめやも
shirogane mo kurogane tama mo nanisemuni masareru takara...
even chinese and korean dont understand this poem in kanji.
ancient japanese lanuage had nothing related with Korean language

These kanji were borrowed from the Chinese language as Japanese had no writing system at that time.
If you want to compare two languages then you have to compare the sound of the same period, not writing.
Considering the grammatical similarity of these languages, at least we cannot say "nothing related".

 

[ricecake]

ancient japanese langage had nothing related with korean lunguage

caster51 .... TELL IT to those fanatic Koreans,for they often claim Japanese language is closely related to original Korean or Koguryo ancient dialect.

 

[caster51]

I see no hard evidence of an actual lineage tie between modern Japanese and ancient Jews. A simple exchange of customs could have happened, either in Japan or the mainland. I see no compelling argument that modern Japanese are descendants of Jewish ancestry if that is what you are claiming. Do you have any accredited sources?

that is true I can not compare because I don't know Jews.
according to Rabbi Marvin Tokayer

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He insists that similarity strongly with ancient Jew custom. He said " ancient Jew custom might take over japan "
I don't know about Jewish custom, either I cannot compare each other, and I can not read Hebrew, either
that is why various matter from the link, I wanted to ask how you think.
now you gave me an answer after reading some link

I see no hard evidence of an actual lineage tie between modern Japanese and ancient Jews

 

[ricecake]

Probably a few thousand Japanese do have "Jew" ancestry,since ancient Hebrews were world wanderers after they were booted out of their homeland Ju dae a.

 

[undrentide]

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that is true I can not compare because I don't know Jews.
according to Rabbi Marvin Tokayer

He insists that similarity strongly with ancient Jew custom. He said " ancient Jew custom might take over japan "
I don't know about Jewish custom, either I cannot compare each other, and I can not read Hebrew, either
that is why various matter from the link, I wanted to ask how you think.
now you gave me an answer after reading some link

How do I think? I think with my brain.
(Just kidding.)
I would like to ask you what do you think about it.
You just quoted other's opinion but did not say what you think about it.

Sorry, but I would not bother to read those materials. If you have some idea about that stuff, you should explain it yourself instead of just posting links, then ask others for comments and opinion.

 

[ricecake]

these kanji were borrowed from Chinese language as Japanese had no writing system at that time.

If you want to compare two languages then you have to compare the sound of the same period, not writing.

Considering the grammatical similarity of these languages, at lease we cannot say "nothing related".

Japanese speaking language has a percentage of Chinese Tang loanwords,for I speak both Mandarin and Cantonese dialects therefore I can catch a few with same pronounciation from watching Chinese-subtitled Japanese TV doramas.

 

[caster51]

I would like to ask you what do you think about it.

that is a good question.
it is said the Japanese origin was from Korean or China...
I am sure some of them came from by way of Korea peninsula in genetic
However, when I consider it in Shinto, in ancient language except for Kanji and myth, I feel it is not so similar.
Imperial household sure has the circumcision custom,
why was emperor protected by ppl even shogun ?
the ideology of purification, kotodama....
If those Rabbi told true that ancient jew had the same custom as Japan, we are
having much knowledge of similarities and connection.
For example, spirit of the founding of Israel
by Trumpeldor from Japan
I feel a lot of Mysterious connections with them even in modern history.

 

[ricecake]

caster51

Are you into Kabala,a Jewish religion ?

American pop singer Madonna practices Kabala.


off-top for a minute ....

Koreans commonly BELIEVE Japanese royal house was founded by ancient Koreans,often like to say Koreans look exactly like Japanese.

It would greatly anger those bittered Koreans if Japanese can genuinely validate Jewish ancestry,for they always BELIEVED ancient Korean settlers BECAME entire population of Japanese today.

 

[Glenn]

Another point about 萬葉集 is that your taking a modern pronunciation of it. It was probably pronounced more like まんえふしふ in the old days (but the kana spelling is probably not terribly phonetically accurate).

 

[caster51]

caster51
Are you into Kabala,a Jewish religion ?
American pop singer Madonna practices Kabala.
off-top for a minute ....
Koreans commonly BELIEVE Japanese royal house was founded by ANCIENT Koreans,often like to say Koreans and look exactly like Japanese.
It would really anger those bittered Koreans if Japanese can genuinely validate Jewish ancestry,for they always BELIEVED anicent Korean settlers BECAME TODAY'S Japanese.

LOL sometimes we are using in Shinto and Buddhism without knowing them.
EX 666 in bible .what is that?
Japanese call Miroku(36) 弥勒 sometimes 567 (it is not silly pun)

_‚Ì”ŠwE’´X_“¹

Japanese coins are 500,100,50,10,5,1=666
so when the 500yen coin was made, Japan was taken over by....

 

[Mike Cash]

This is more like a simple "coincidence" between two languages.
In Hungarian lack of saltiness is so'talan しょーたらん which sounds very close to Japanese しおたらん but nobody take this as an evidence that both languages are close or have same origin...

The technical term for such things is "false cognate".

 

[undrentide]

that is a good question.
it is said the Japanese origin was from Korean or China....
I am sure some of them came from by way of Korea peninsula in genetic
However, when I consider it in Shinto, in ancient language except for Kanji and myth, I feel it is not so similar.
Imperial household sure has the circumcision custum,
why was emperor protected by ppl even shogun..
the ideology of purification, kotodama....
If those Rabbi told true that ancient jew had same custom with Japan, we are
having many knowledge of similarities and connection.
For example , the spirit of founding of Israel
by Trumpeldor from japan
I feel a lot of Mysterious connections with them even in modern history.

I'm getting confused now what you are talking about, the people, the language, or the religions???

You are saying that Old Jewish beliefs and Shito have more similarity between them than Japanese... what and Korean what?
My understanding is that Jewish belief is monotheistic while Japanese Shintoism is polytheistic (you know, 八百万の神. It seems a fundamental difference to me.

The technical term for such things is "false cognate".

Thank you, Mike.