辺 / どっかどかして / あん / コーヒーには結構うるさい / はおみやげ、って言うんですか

[eeky]

Hiya,


1. その辺の本、どっかどかして、適当に座って。

a) Does this mean, more or less, "Move those books somewhere and find a place to sit"?

b) Is どかして = 退かして?

c) Does 辺 just refer to the place where the books are currently located, or does it mean something more specific?


2. In response to 何か飲む？, does 何があんの? mean something like "What do you suggest?" Is あん = 案?


3. The speaker offers his guest a drink, and the guest asks for coffee, and then the speaker says:

ん。いや～こう見えてもさ～、コーヒーには結構うるさいから、ちゃんと豆換いて入れてるんだ 。

My guess, which I am not 100% confident about: "Bother! ... It may not seem so, but I'm quite fussy about coffee, so I need to replace/refresh the coffee beans (in some coffee making equipment)"?

a) Is this more or less correct?

b) What is the grammar of 換いて? What verb is it? I don't suppose it could be a typo for 換えて, could it?


4. 片岡先生、今日はおみやげ、って言うんですか、贈り物 についてお教えいただきたいと思います。

I understand the speaker is saying he would like to ask 片岡先生 about gift-giving (customs), but what is the purpose of おみやげ、って言うんですか? Who is the subject of 言う? The obvious interpretations don't seem to make much sense in context. Actually, it would make more sense to me if か was が ... but basically I'm lost with this part ...

 

[Glenn]

1. a) Yes.

b) Apparently so (I didn't realize there was a kanji for it).

c) It means "the area". その辺の本 -- "the books in that area".

2. Not quite. あんの comes from あるの, and this "r" to "n" contraction is fairly common. できんのか。-> できるのか。for example.

3. I'm not sure, but your guesses seem correct to me.

4. I'm pretty sure this is a more formal version of っていうか or というか, which is kind of a way of rephrasing something after you've thought better of it. So in this case, "Mr. Kataoka, I'd like to ask you about souvenirs from trips... or actually, presents (in general)." Or something along those lines.

 

[eeky]

Thanks Glenn. By the way, in case it is unclear, when I ask questions like "is どかして = 退かして?", it is almost always because I want to check my interpretation of the hiragana, rather than to verify the correct kanji to use for a meaning that I am already confident about. For example, in this case I was not certain if どかして might be some compound like ど + か + して say, with どか another variant of どこか, or whatever. You get the idea.

 

[Toritoribe]

2)
This euphonic change is occured on る preceeding の (or preceeding ね in Kansai dialect). For instance, る preceeding に doesn't change to ん; e.g., あるにはあるけど doens't change to あんにはあるけど.

3)
That's 挽いて and not 換いて.
ん means うん, i.e., OK. The speaker is not reluctant to make coffee.

 

[Glenn]

Ha, 挽いて makes so much more sense.

I didn't know that る wouldn't change to ん before に, but ら will change to ん before な (e.g., わかんない). I actually thought it was wide open. I didn't realize there were exceptions at all.

 

[Toritoribe]

Ah, right. Interestingly, はいらない tends to change to はいんない/はいんね（え） quite frequently, but it seems to me that いらない rarely changes to いんない/いんね（え）. Hmmm...

 

[eeky]

3)
3)
That's 挽いて and not 換いて.
ん means うん, i.e., OK. The speaker is not reluctant to make coffee.

Thank you.

a) I kind of ignored ん, but I thought いや～ was expressing the speaker's slight annoyance at something ("Bother!"). Is that wrong?

b) Does 豆挽いて入れてる refer to grinding the beans and then filling something, or to filling something with beans that are already ground? Is there an omitted を after 豆?

c) Also, is ちゃんと豆挽いて入れてるんだ explaining what the speaker is doing now (as he speaks)?

 

[Glenn]

I may be wrong, but I take the sentence to mean "Yeah, well... I'm actually pretty particular about my coffee, so I grind the beans (myself/each time) when I make it." I'm pretty sure 入れる here is the 淹れる version, which means "make (coffee/tea)". コーヒーをいれる means "make coffee", for instance.

 

[eeky]

Thanks, that makes sense ... I forgot about that meaning of 入れる, but it does ring a bell now.

I kind of discounted the "habitual action" ("each time I make it") interpretation because I thought that would be 入れる rather than 入れてる, but my grasp of this point is very hazy.

 

[Toritoribe]

入れてる focuses more on the ongoing action, i.e., "when I'm making coffee", but 入れる also works perfectly fine here.