犯人を見た人から... / 正確ではっきり ... / その辺をよく...

[eeky]

Hello,

1. 犯人を見た人からその特徴を聞きながら似顔絵をかいて、それを使って市民から情報を集めます。

I understand this is basically saying that someone draws a picture of a criminal from descriptions given by people who have seen that criminal, and then this picture is used to collect information from the public.

My question is whether the subjects of かいて and 使って/集めます have to be the same person/people.


2. This is talking about a case when the police issued a computer-generated picture of a criminal that they were trying to catch:

正確ではっきりかかれすぎていたので、それと似ている人の情報が少なくなったということです。なんとなく怪しいと思っても、その人とは違うと考えてしまうようです。

I'm struggling. This is what I've got:

正確ではっきりかかれすぎていたので、 ... I'm guessing this may be saying, roughly, "Because the picture was too accurate", but I don't understand role of で or the meaning of かかれ(る).

それと似ている人の情報が少なくなったということです ... hopefully this means "it was said that little information about people resembling this (picture) was forthcoming."

なんとなく怪しいと思っても、その人とは違うと考えてしまうようです。 ... ??? Who thought what was suspicious? Does その人 refer to the person in the picture or to some other (real-life) person? Who thought what was different from その人?


3. Next, the author asks to what extent artists' impressions of criminals circulated by the police should be perfectly accurate. Then:

その辺をよく考えてかくのが３つ目のタイプのプロの仕事なのです。

To me this looks like "The work that most thoughtfully draws その辺 is the work of the third type of professional (artist)." I am very unsure about よく考えてかく and I don't really understand what その辺 refers to.

The next and final sentence in this text is:

それで、そのあとすぐに彼らがかいた似顔絵もいっしょに使われることになりました。

I get: "Therefore, it was decided soon after that the portraits that they (i.e. the third type of artist) painted would also be used together with (something else)." Is there an implied "something else" that has been mentioned previously that goes with いっしょに? Also, what does も do? Does it just mean "also", reinforcing the idea of いっしょに?

 

[Toritoribe]

1. 犯人を見た人からその特徴を聞きながら似顔絵をかいて 、それを使って市民から情報を集めます。
I understand this is basically saying that someone draws a picture of a criminal from descriptions given by people who have seen that criminal, and then this picture is used to collect information from the public.
My question is whether the subjects of かいて and 使って/集めます have to be the same person/people.

The subjects would be the police. So, it might be the same person, or the drawer and the user/collector could be different.

2. This is talking about a case when the police issued a computer-generated picture of a criminal that they were trying to catch:
正確ではっきりかかれすぎていたので、それと似ている 人の情報が少なくなったということです。なんとなく怪 しいと思っても、その人とは違うと考えてしまうようで す。
I'm struggling. This is what I've got:
正確ではっきりかかれすぎていたので、 ... I'm guessing this may be saying, roughly, "Because the picture was too accurate", but I don't understand role of で or the meaning of かかれ(る).

The connecting use of the -te form.
Because the picture was accurate and drawn too clearly...

それと似ている人の情報が少なくなったということです ... hopefully this means "it was said that little information about people resembling this (picture) was forthcoming."

Right.

なんとなく怪しいと思っても、その人とは違うと考えて しまうようです。 ... ??? Who thought what was suspicious? Does その人 refer to the person in the picture or to some other (real-life) person? Who thought what was different from その人?

絵を見た人が、自分の知っている人がなんとなく怪しいと思っても、絵にかかれている人はその人（＝自分の知っている人）とは違うと、絵を見た人は考えてしまうようです。

Hope this answers your questions.

3. Next, the author asks to what extent artists' impressions of criminals circulated by the police should be perfectly accurate. Then:
その辺をよく考えてかくのが３つ目のタイプのプロの仕 事なのです。
To me this looks like "The work that most thoughtfully draws その辺 is the work of the third type of professional (artist)."

３つ目のタイプの modifies 仕事, and not プロ.

I am very unsure about よく考えてかく

to draw the picture with this purpose(=その辺) in mind

and I don't really understand what その辺 refers to.

"Too accurate" doesn't mean "effective".

The next and final sentence in this text is:
それで、そのあとすぐに彼らがかいた似顔絵もいっしょ に使われることになりました。
I get: "Therefore, it was decided soon after that the portraits that they (i.e. the third type of artist) painted would also be used together with (something else)." Is there an implied "something else" that has been mentioned previously that goes with いっしょに? Also, what does も do? Does it just mean "also", reinforcing the idea of いっしょに?

Right. ～もいっしょに means "also". I interpret it as コンピューターでかかれた似顔絵と一緒にプロの絵も使われることにな った.
As I wrote above, ３つ目のタイプの modifies 仕事, thus, 彼ら just refers to professional artists here.

 

[lintelle]

1. I think the subject is the same person/people. The sentence contains only one subject.

2. かかれる here may be the passive verb of 書く or potential verb of 掛かる. I'm guessing 書かれる is the better answer here.
で could be a conjunctive particle between the adj. and adv.
"Because we made the picture too accurate, the information about person who looks similar to the picture became little. It's somehow strange, even though we don't want to admit it, we have to start thinking: maybe it's not the one in the picture who committed this crime."

3. I'm not sure what その辺 means as well, need to read the whole context to decide. But I think your translation is fine.

For the final sentence, the sth else could be 似顔絵 that's been drawn before. I think there were at least 3 pros who draw those 似顔絵, and the police is using all of the pictures to help capturing the criminal. も means also, since they are all 似顔絵.

 

[eeky]

Thanks Toritoribe, that is all very helpful. Perhaps I could ask a little further about その辺をよく考えてかく. From what you say, I understand we logically break this up as:

その辺をよく考えて = thinking about this purpose
かく = (and/while) drawing

In other words, we don't view it like (その辺を)(よく考えてかく) with 考えてかく as a single verbal unit (which is what I was trying to make it). However, in other cases, V-て-V does seem to form a single verbal unit, as in 持って来る ("bring"), for example. Do you perceive any essential difference between these two uses of V-て-V, or is it really exactly the same thing in Japanese, and any difference just something I'm imagining from the English translations?

 

[Toritoribe]

We have to think of two types of "V1てV2" separately, 1) the cases that two verbs are simply conected, and 2) the cases that V2 is an auxiliary verb.
Auxiliary verbs that can be used as #2 are limited (e.g. いる、ある、いく、くる、しまう、おく、くれる、やる、あげる、もらう、みる、みせる、、、). They basically loses their original meanins when used as auxiliary verbs. For instance, みる in 食べてみる means "to try( to eat)" and not "to see". Of course they sometimes have a nuance of the original meaning, as in your example 持ってくる.
In contrast, they are basically just connected two different actions/movements in #1. However, the -te form itself doesn't have any fixed meaning, so it could have a specific meaning depending on the relation between the two verbs(e.g. "cause and effect" in 落として割った).

 

[eeky]

Thanks, that explanation is most useful.