もらえた/ だってば / なければ

[eeky]

Hi,


1. 「スキャバーズが食われちゃったなければなぁ。ハエ形ヌガーがもらえたのに。あいつ、これが好物だった」

(スキャバーズ is, or was, the speaker's pet rat.)

Who/what is the effective subject of もらえた (i.e. the one receiving)? Is it スキャバーズ or the speaker?


2. 「ロン、ほんとに、夢じゃなかった？」

「ほんとだってば。ブラックをみたんだ！」

What is だってば?


3.
「スキャバーズが食われちゃったなければなぁ。ハエ形ヌガーがもらえたのに。あいつ、これが好物だった」
「パーシー、あなたがもっとしっかりしなければ！」

Both these sentences use ～なければ, but in the first the speaker wishes that ～ wasn't the case, while in the second the speaker wishes that ～ was the case. How does this work?

 

[Toritoribe]

1)
食われちゃってなければなぁ

Both interpretations are possible.

2)
（っ）てば is a sentence final particle similar to よ. It implies complaint / irritation, something like "why you don't believe me?"

3)
The latter is the omission of あなたがもっとしっかりしなければだめ / いけない.
If not~, that's no good. = I wish ~.

 

[eeky]

3)
The latter is the omission of あなたがもっとしっかりしなければだめ / いけない.
If not~, that's no good. = I wish ~.

So how do we know whether だめ / いけない is omitted or not? Do we just have to guess what the speaker means from the context? Doesn't this cause some confusion?

 

[Majestic]

We don't know, and it doesn't matter.

In this case, its enough that you know the speaker is saying "You gotta be more careful". The (implied) ending of the sentence isn't important, and in either case they mean the same thing. "You gotta be more careful (or else it will come to no good)" or "You gotta be more careful (otherwise it just will not do)".

Edit: Ah, now I see what you were asking. In this case disregard. I thought you were wondering what the implied ending was for あなたがもっとしっかりしなければ・・・

 

[Toritoribe]

So how do we know whether だめ / いけない is omitted or not? Do we just have to guess what the speaker means from the context? Doesn't this cause some confusion?

～ていなければ is the key. This ている/いない form (and also なぁ）shows it's "contrary-to-fact in the past".

あなたがもっとしっかりしてなければ（なぁ） expresses the speaker wishes you didn't. Similarly, スキャバーズが食われなければ can mean the speaker wishes スキャバーズ is/will be eaten.

 

[eeky]

～ていなければ is the key. This ている/いない form (and also なぁ）shows it's "contrary-to-fact in the past".

あなたがもっとしっかりしてなければ（なぁ） expresses the speaker wishes you didn't. Similarly, スキャバーズが食われなければ can mean the speaker wishes スキャバーズ is/will be eaten.

I see, thank you. This is something for which I feel no intuition at all. I think it has hitherto passed me by.