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Hiya,

1. 特急に乗れば3時間、急行に乗れば、4時間と少しで着 きます。

I think I understand this OK except for と少しで. Does that mean something like "(you will arrive) in the short (time of 4 hours)"? I'm not very sure, especially, how と Is working grammatically.


2. 教室に日本語の本を忘れてきてしまいました。

Translation given: "I accidentally left my Japanese book in the classroom".

Does きて have the sense of "came back from class"?

Before seeing the translation, I mentally translated the sentence as "I came to class without my Japanese book" (more literally "ended up coming to class having forgotten my Japanese book"). Why does my translation not work (assuming it doesn't)?


3. ええと、旅行に行くとたいていお土産を買うと思います が、みなさんは買ったあとでちょっと困ったことはあり ませんか。

My attempted translation: "Well, I guess when people go on a trip they usually buy souvenirs, but after they've bought them, aren't they a little bit 困った?"

(The text that follows this is talking about the temptation to buy lots of an item when a discount is offered, and then maybe finding out that you don't need so many after all. I assume 困った is referring to this, but right now I can't think of a suitable English translation...!)

a) Is みなさん likely to refer to "people in general"? (The context doesn't really give any extra help.)
b) Is みなさん the subject of the first 買う?
c) Is the speaker the subject of 思います?
d) Is ありませんか actually asking a question, or is to more like "I wonder if ..." or something?


4. Later in the same text:

でも、それで喜んで5つ買って帰ると、あとで家族に「 どうしてそんなに買ったの」と言われてしまいます。「 1つ300円、5つ買えばもう1つサービスしますよ。」というのも同じですね。

My attempted translation: "Well, when people are pleased (about a price discount) and come home having bought five items, they'll later end up being asked by their family 'Why did you buy that many?', and the answer is always 'One costs 300円, so if you buy five (for 1200円) one is effectively free.'"

a) Is the speaker likely to be talking about people in general? Or about himself? Or about some specific people that he knows? Again, the context does not seem to give much help on this question.

b) I assume 「1つ300円、5つ買えばもう1つサービスしますよ。」 is said by the person who brought the items back in justification of buying five? Is my translation of というのも同じですね as "the answer is always" remotely correct?
 
1. 特急に乗れば3時間、急行に乗れば、4時間と少しで着きます。
I think I understand this OK except for と少しで. Does that mean something like "(you will arrive) in the short (time of 4 hours)"? I'm not very sure, especially, how と Is working grammatically.
That's "a little more than 4 hours", literally, "4 hours and(= と) a little".

2. 教室に日本語の本を忘れてきてしまいました。
Translation given: "I accidentally left my Japanese book in the classroom".
Does きて have the sense of "came back from class"?
Before seeing the translation, I mentally translated the sentence as "I came to class without my Japanese book" (more literally "ended up coming to class having forgotten my Japanese book"). Why does my translation not work (assuming it doesn't)?
Your initial interpretation is not wrong. The example sentence indeed could mean that in a context. Therefore, 日本語の本を忘れて教室に来てしまいました would be preferred for that case to avoid being confusing.

3. ええと、旅行に行くとたいていお土産を買うと思いますが、みなさんは買ったあとでちょっと困ったことはありませんか。
My attempted translation: "Well, I guess when people go on a trip they usually buy souvenirs, but after they've bought them, aren't they a little bit 困った?"
(The text that follows this is talking about the temptation to buy lots of an item when a discount is offered, and then maybe finding out that you don't need so many after all. I assume 困った is referring to this, but right now I can't think of a suitable English translation...!)
"To get a problem/trouble" or like that?

a) Is みなさん likely to refer to "people in general"? (The context doesn't really give any extra help.)
It would be more likely "readers/audience" or "you".

b) Is みなさん the subject of the first 買う?
Yes.

c) Is the speaker the subject of 思います?
Yes.

d) Is ありませんか actually asking a question, or is to more like "I wonder if ..." or something?
The former.

4. Later in the same text:
でも、それで喜んで5つ買って帰ると、あとで家族に「どうしてそんなに買ったの」と言われてしまいます。「1つ300円、5つ買えばもう1つサービスしますよ。」というのも同じですね。
My attempted translation: "Well, when people are pleased (about a price discount) and come home having bought five items, they'll later end up being asked by their family 'Why did you buy that many?', and the answer is always 'One costs 300円, so if you buy five (for 1200円) one is effectively free.'"
a) Is the speaker likely to be talking about people in general? Or about himself? Or about some specific people that he knows? Again, the context does not seem to give much help on this question.
It would be an example in the speaker's imagination rather than an event the speaker actually experienced.

b) I assume 「1つ300円、5つ買えばもう1つサービスしますよ。」 is said by the person who brought the items back in justification of buying five? Is my translation of というのも同じですね as "the answer is always" remotely correct?
It's said by the person who sold the items. 同じ means that it's the same between "One costs 300 yen, but if you buy five, one is free" and "One costs 300 yen, but if you buy five, I will discount at 20 per cent". I suppose something like this was said in the previous sentences.
 
"To get a problem/trouble" or like that?
Hi Toritoribe, thanks for your help. I find that 困る can often be a bit tricky to translate into idiomatic English. Even so, I think I get the general idea of what it means in the Japanese, so I won't agonise over it too much.
It would be more likely "readers/audience" or "you".
Oh yes, I forgot that みなさん could be used like that. So would "...ことはありませんか" then mean "Have you ever (had a problem ... etc.) ?"
It's said by the person who sold the items. 同じ means that it's the same between "One costs 300 yen, but if you buy five, one is free" and "One costs 300 yen, but if you buy five, I will discount at 20 per cent". I suppose something like this was said in the previous sentences.
I am still a bit confused by this. The previous sentences explained in slightly different words how shopkeepers give deals like "one for 300 yen, three for 800 yen, five for 1200 yen", and how if you buy five then you save 300 yen. Does 同じ mean that saving 300 yen is the same as the getting one free? I don't really understand the overall purpose of this sentence 「 1つ300円 ... 同じですね, or how it fits into the flow of the text as a whole.
 
So would "...ことはありませんか" then mean "Have you ever (had a problem ... etc.) ?"
Exactly!

I am still a bit confused by this. The previous sentences explained in slightly different words how shopkeepers give deals like "one for 300 yen, three for 800 yen, five for 1200 yen", and how if you buy five then you save 300 yen. Does 同じ mean that saving 300 yen is the same as the getting one free? I don't really understand the overall purpose of this sentence 「 1つ300円 ... 同じですね, or how it fits into the flow of the text as a whole.
It's not "the amount of saved money is the same" but "the ways/tricks that shopkeepers make customers buy many items efficiently are the same".

~というのも同じ(手口/やり方)ですね
 
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