Did the Taliban do that?

mohamed

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Did the Taliban do the terrorist events in America at 11/9
after seeing this website I think they didn't do that
I prefer trying to search for this movie in this website





and this apart from a movie named (the long kiss)
big surprise


but the question is, do you think the Taliban did it?


*please see the Italian documentary film (Zero: an investigation into 9/11)
 
Total garbage !

Made by the same ignorant people who say the Holocaust never happened and the CIA shot Kennedy , etc. . People twist so called facts to make you believe their propaganda . If you think the Taliban are anything but stoneage ignorant killers, you are being fooled.

Uncle Frank

:eek:
 
Sorry, that link doesn't work for me.

But I've seen and read the various 9/11 conspiracy theories; and found none of them convincing.

Conspiracy theories inevitably follow major events, but few of them have ever held up to examination. There is one factor that mitigates against most of them: human nature. Most people cannot keep a secret, and major conspiracies require the involvement of lots of people who would have to keep their mouths shut.
 
It's the Novus Ordo Seclorum, the Illuminati, the Freemasons, the Rosicrucians and the Jews in one big conspiracy to thrust all honest and good people into despair. Like the Da Vinci Code, only ten times more grandiose and awesome. It is not fanciful, by the way. Not at all.
 
Conspiracy theories inevitably follow major events, but few of them have ever held up to examination. There is one factor that mitigates against most of them: human nature. Most people cannot keep a secret, and major conspiracies require the involvement of lots of people who would have to keep their mouths shut.


One of the best quotes I've ever heard was from Charles Coulson a member of the Nixon White House during Watergate.

"With the most powerful office in the world at stake, a small band of hand-picked loyalists, no more than ten of us, could not hold a conspiracy together for more than two weeks.
Think of what was at stake: Each of us involved- Ehrlichman, Halderman, Mitchell and the rest - believed passionately in President Nixon."

In many ways these guys were the most capable secret cabal you could put together at the time, and yet they were busted within weeks. And yet its been almost ten years since 9/11 and NOT one high ranking individual who helped perpetrate the most violent terrorist attack on human history has come forward to admit it was a set up. Hmm.


Mohammed: What do you mean when you say "the media?" Do you think that the tens of thousands who work in the media industry are all in on the conspiracy to deceive the american public? Have you even met an american journalist before? Just one? You want westerners to understand muslims and not think them all as terrorists, and yet you are now making the same stereotype against all journalists, calling them evil. Shame on you.

The Brutal truth: The 9/11 conspiracy movement in the muslim world (as is Holocaust denial) is just an excuse used by many leaders to shift the blame away from the radical extremists that are culpable for the crimes committed. What happened on 9/11 or the current problems in the middle east are complex and will take mature intelligent debate to solve, instead of believing in childish conspiracy theories.
 
Could someone please explain to me why did the US government invite Anwar al-Awlaki to the Pantagon ?
He went there and had dinner with them after 11/9 .

RolandtheHeadless said:
Their friends, al Qaida, did it.
What a goddamn friend :D

muhamed,it's useless and pointless to talk about WHO but i hope to talk about WHAT to do now to heal the wounds.
Al Qaeda is known as enemy to Muslims and so the zionists are.
 
One of the best quotes I've ever heard was from Charles Coulson a member of the Nixon White House during Watergate.
"With the most powerful office in the world at stake, a small band of hand-picked loyalists, no more than ten of us, could not hold a conspiracy together for more than two weeks.
Think of what was at stake: Each of us involved- Ehrlichman, Halderman, Mitchell and the rest - believed passionately in President Nixon."
In many ways these guys were the most capable secret cabal you could put together at the time, and yet they were busted within weeks. And yet its been almost ten years since 9/11 and NOT one high ranking individual who helped perpetrate the most violent terrorist attack on human history has come forward to admit it was a set up. Hmm.
Mohammed: What do you mean when you say "the media?" Do you think that the tens of thousands who work in the media industry are all in on the conspiracy to deceive the american public? Have you even met an american journalist before? Just one? You want westerners to understand muslims and not think them all as terrorists, and yet you are now making the same stereotype against all journalists, calling them evil. Shame on you.
The Brutal truth: The 9/11 conspiracy movement in the muslim world (as is Holocaust denial) is just an excuse used by many leaders to shift the blame away from the radical extremists that are culpable for the crimes committed. What happened on 9/11 or the current problems in the middle east are complex and will take mature intelligent debate to solve, instead of believing in childish conspiracy theories.
am sorry , i did not mean make you angry , but till now i did't see any media talk about the real story , taliban have no hands on this , after i seen that italian movie , am sure about that
and am searching on this now
i found this pictures talk about our topic
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This "fake" photo is more famous.....

the story said it was a poor tourist on top of tthe building just before the plane hit. With PhotoShop, you can make anything look real , LOL.

Uncle Frank

:p
 
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lol , maybe you right
but can you please watch the movie , and i'm still searching about something important about our topic
but frankly , i don't think that taliban very smart to hack us air and destroy the two trade towers and go to the pentagon and destory the wall of it (the glass of the wall did not broken and the CIA go to the pentagon area and confiscation all video tapes so until now no one know what hit the pentagon wall but CIA said it's plane hijacked by Muslim terrorists , as the movie said , that the plane haven no permission to flay on this area and if there is any aircraft on this area it will hit by automatic rockets
 
mohamed said:
i don't think that taliban very smart to hack us air and destroy the two trade towers and go to the pentagon and destory the wall of it
As they already said,it's not Taliban ! It's Al Qaeda.

I'm Photoshoper so i assure you that the video and the picture above is fake...stupidly fake like the video of the Gaza Flotilla that made by the side witch attacked the flotilla.
 
Dr. Judy D. Wood, PhD in Materials Engineering Science has an excellent web page with many sources and videos and calculations and science behind her debunking the "official line" concerning 9/11. One should read it (one of many I can provide) before they make wild accusations concerning the theories behind 9/11. Not only read it, but look at the videos, calculations and comparisons. If you too do not have questions you are either blind, or refuse to face cold, hard facts as this is one of the most intelligent, thought provoking sites I have ever read concerning what really happened that fateful day. It's preposterous but NOT impossible and she does present a good case.

RolandtheHeadless said:
But I've seen and read the various 9/11 conspiracy theories; and found none of them convincing.

Conspiracy theories inevitably follow major events, but few of them have ever held up to examination. There is one factor that mitigates against most of them: human nature. Most people cannot keep a secret, and major conspiracies require the involvement of lots of people who would have to keep their mouths shut.
How much and who, and what have you read? Major media? The "official" story line? I have read thousands of pages of information over the years and there are many anomalies to 9/11 that remain unanswered and will probably never be answered in my lifetime and I have my doubts as to the "official" storyline. Just study the link above. Also, many other conspiracy theories have held up to examination.

Those in charge have too much power for anyone to buck the system and blow the whistle as they fear not only for their own lives, but those of their immediate and extended families.

Many of the theories HAVE held up to examination, but the "official" story line and major media always wins out in debunking the theories because they are in control and have the power, much in the same way the "magic bullet" theory still reigns as the truth today when the majority of people now believe JFK was indeed assassinated by a number of shots from various places.

It only takes a few people to pull off a major conspiracy, not thousands as many falsely believe. Thousands of people worked on the Manhattan Project, yet more than 98% of them had no idea what they were working on. Each had a job to do and they did it and they were only told what they were needed to know to do their job.

noyhauser said:
One of the best quotes I've ever heard was from Charles Coulson a member of the Nixon White House during Watergate.

"With the most powerful office in the world at stake, a small band of hand-picked loyalists, no more than ten of us, could not hold a conspiracy together for more than two weeks.
Think of what was at stake: Each of us involved- Ehrlichman, Halderman, Mitchell and the rest - believed passionately in President Nixon."

In many ways these guys were the most capable secret cabal you could put together at the time, and yet they were busted within weeks. And yet its been almost ten years since 9/11 and NOT one high ranking individual who helped perpetrate the most violent terrorist attack on human history has come forward to admit it was a set up. Hmm.
If you do your research, and I mean real research, you will learn that it was Kissinger that brought Nixon down and subsequently made himself one of the most powerful people in the world from then until today. As I said above, only a handful were probably involved and who would risk death to come forward especially when they are well taken care of? Kissinger still pulls many of the strings today in government here and in other countries. Research it.

What happened on 9/11 or the current problems in the middle east are complex and will take mature intelligent debate to solve, instead of believing in childish conspiracy theories.
Whose childish now? You call them "childish conspiracy theories without once citing your sources. Unless of course you are citing the "official line". Read my link above. ALL of it. I know it will take hours and days, but if you are seriously interested in debunking "childish conspiracy theories" debunk that one and the tens of others I can provide from distinguished sources with letters behind their names as well as contradicting stories from journalists and TV.

If it's one thing I've learned over the years it's never to trust, or take at face value, anything the government or the media says as they have the power and whatever they say, sadly, 95% of the people will swallow it.

Even if it was a conspiracy to get us into a war and the control of the worlds third largest oil supply we'll never know it "officially" as it will never be allowed to come to the light of day. No matter how much proof is put forth contradicting the official line there will always be those that refuse to face the cold hard facts and there will always be the media and government calling them conspiracy nuts. After all, they have the power and they know that if it did ever come out that it was a conspiracy it would be the end of them and the government. In my opinion we'll never know the truth.

"Next the statesman will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscious-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception." - Mark Twain


ツ"Who controls the food supply controls the people;
who controls energy can control whole continents;
who controls money controls the world.ツ" – Henry Kissinger


Think about it.
 
Let us be realistic, conspiracy theories span millions and millions of pages and for every bit you read, you will fail to familiarise yourself with a thousand other bits. For every finding there will be considerable support and opposition and quite honestly, you have heaps of experts on both sides. That Dr Famous Engineer said X doesn't count for much when there are groups of experts both supporting and opposing his views. You simply cannot resolve this issue by relying on indirect and expert evidence since the opposition, too, has plenty of that available. You know, if it was direct evidence, like one of the conspirators making a confession or someone involved with them, fair enough, but inferring a conspiracy from a bunch of 'interesting' facts is stretching it a bit too far. Most conspiracy theories with just heaps of indirect evidence are tautologous, they don't really increase the degree of scepticism standard explanations are met with. I mean, yeah, it could have been staged. We can never be completely sure it wasn't, but that's about it.
 
As they already said,it's not Taliban ! It's Al Qaeda.
I'm Photoshoper so i assure you that the video and the picture above is fake...stupidly fake like the video of the Gaza Flotilla that made by the side witch attacked the flotilla.
mr hazem i agree with you about the picture cuz am not good in photoshop
but i don't agree with you about the italian documentary movie is fake , because it is based on the people from the heart of the event so he talk about a man who has honored former President of us and now he dismissed from his job and he has filed a lawsuit on george bush cuz as he says that george bush did it (as he said on the movie ) , and as i know that taliban and al qaida are same organization
 
Dr. Judy D. Wood, PhD in Materials Engineering Science has an excellent web page with many sources and videos and calculations and science behind her debunking the "official line" concerning 9/11. One should read it (one of many I can provide) before they make wild accusations concerning the theories behind 9/11. Not only read it, but look at the videos, calculations and comparisons. If you too do not have questions you are either blind, or refuse to face cold, hard facts as this is one of the most intelligent, thought provoking sites I have ever read concerning what really happened that fateful day. It's preposterous but NOT impossible and she does present a good case.


How much and who, and what have you read? Major media? The "official" story line? I have read thousands of pages of information over the years and there are many anomalies to 9/11 that remain unanswered and will probably never be answered in my lifetime and I have my doubts as to the "official" storyline. Just study the link above. Also, many other conspiracy theories have held up to examination.

Those in charge have too much power for anyone to buck the system and blow the whistle as they fear not only for their own lives, but those of their immediate and extended families.

Many of the theories HAVE held up to examination, but the "official" story line and major media always wins out in debunking the theories because they are in control and have the power, much in the same way the "magic bullet" theory still reigns as the truth today when the majority of people now believe JFK was indeed assassinated by a number of shots from various places.

It only takes a few people to pull off a major conspiracy, not thousands as many falsely believe. Thousands of people worked on the Manhattan Project, yet more than 98% of them had no idea what they were working on. Each had a job to do and they did it and they were only told what they were needed to know to do their job.


If you do your research, and I mean real research, you will learn that it was Kissinger that brought Nixon down and subsequently made himself one of the most powerful people in the world from then until today. As I said above, only a handful were probably involved and who would risk death to come forward especially when they are well taken care of? Kissinger still pulls many of the strings today in government here and in other countries. Research it.


Whose childish now? You call them "childish conspiracy theories without once citing your sources. Unless of course you are citing the "official line". Read my link above. ALL of it. I know it will take hours and days, but if you are seriously interested in debunking "childish conspiracy theories" debunk that one and the tens of others I can provide from distinguished sources with letters behind their names as well as contradicting stories from journalists and TV.

If it's one thing I've learned over the years it's never to trust, or take at face value, anything the government or the media says as they have the power and whatever they say, sadly, 95% of the people will swallow it.

Even if it was a conspiracy to get us into a war and the control of the worlds third largest oil supply we'll never know it "officially" as it will never be allowed to come to the light of day. No matter how much proof is put forth contradicting the official line there will always be those that refuse to face the cold hard facts and there will always be the media and government calling them conspiracy nuts. After all, they have the power and they know that if it did ever come out that it was a conspiracy it would be the end of them and the government. In my opinion we'll never know the truth.

"Next the statesman will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscious-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception." - Mark Twain


ツ"Who controls the food supply controls the people;
who controls energy can control whole continents;
who controls money controls the world.ツ" – Henry Kissinger


Think about it.


words have value shows wisdom, reason and knowledge
 
mr hazem i agree with you about the picture cuz am not good in photoshop
but i don't agree with you about the italian documentary movie is fake , because it is based on the people from the heart of the event so he talk about a man who has honored former President of us and now he dismissed from his job and he has filed a lawsuit on george bush cuz as he says that george bush did it (as he said on the movie ) , and as i know that taliban and al qaida are same organization
I didn't mean the movie,i was reffering to the video that edited and includs the aircraft.
 
I read some inaccurate comments regarding Dr. Judy Wood, and as a huge supporter of her efforts, I felt like I should clarify a few things to the readers of this forum:

Dr. Wood does not present a "conspiracy theory." She only presents evidence...evidence that she submitted in a federal case. In 2007, Dr. Judy Wood filed several legal cases against the corporations NIST had contracted to conduct the 9/11 "investigations", many of which are military / defense / weapons organizations involved in Directed Energy research (huge conflict-of-interest). The filings in these legal cases included Requests For Corrections (RFC) based on the Data Quality Act, and Qui Tam whistle-blower cases. One of her legal cases made it all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court in October of 2009. She has been actively pursuing 9/11 Truth with her lawyer, despite the lack of support she has received from Dr. Steven Jones and other members of the 9/11 Truth community. The legal documents from her court cases can be viewed at the following links:

1. drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/NIST_RFC.html
2. drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/Qui_Tam_Wood.shtml


Also, Dr. Judy Wood does not consider herself part of the so-called "truth" movement (aka thermite movement). Any movement which censors evidence and promotes one theory only, is not a "truth" movement. Here is a great article describing the true nature of the 9/11 "Truth" Movement, and how it is most likely organized by the same people who organized 9/11, to mislead angry Americans who realize they've been lied to:

Truth and the Twin Towers - Both Bite the Dust axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_61147.shtml

Hope this clarifies things.

Thanks for your time,

-Abe

Abraham Hafiz Rodriguez
M2 Medical Student
B.S. Biology / Neurobiology
 
Is someone actually claiming an X-15 flew past the Twin Towers on 9/11? LMAO!

The X-15 was a test rocket-aircraft used by the US to fly above the atmosphere, in the late '50s and early '60s, as a precursor to America's space program. It was never designed to be carried atop another aircraft, but was launched from the belly of a B-52.

As an aircraft it's an antique, and can now only be found in aircraft museums.
 
Thank you for your comment PookztA and for joining this site just to post your views and support for Dr. Wood as she does present hard, irrefutable evidence to back her case and which is why I cited her above all others. You can't argue with facts and those that do try to dispute her, in the end, are proved wrong even if it is not in the major "controlled" media. I mean, no controlled demolished building on film/video has ever turned into dust in mid-air as the WTC buildings show!

Her plight reminds me of Galileo when he begged the major church clergy of his time (i.e. those who controlled the "media" of their time) to look into his telescope to see for themselves that the moons of Jupiter revolved around the planet and therefore the earth revolved around the sun, thus contradicting the bible. They refused to look, confiscated his telescope, convicted him of heresy and locked him up as "no mere member of the public could ever contradict the holy word of the bible." Subsequently he was found innocent, but could not teach the Copernican system. 16 yrs later that would all change when the truth finally came out as it was too difficult to cover up fact.

I hope the same for Dr. Wood and I respect her efforts in this matter as I believe she will prevail in the long run.

I did not want to get involved in this debate as most people here already know my views, but when I see blatant accusations of so-called childish conspiracy theories when they in fact have done none of their own research other than what they read and hear from major media it makes my blood boil and I have to step in to give a counter point. Will these people take the hours and time it takes to read and study the material and decide for themselves what is factual and what is "truther" lies"? Sadly, no, but they will still spout their views that we who think differently, based on fact, are nuts. So be it. They remind me of the three famous Japanese Monkeys: See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil, and the evil in this case is anyone who says differently than the official storyline.

Like more than a few researchers into 9/11 and other so-called conspiracy theories, I started out trying to prove the conspiracy theorists wrong as I was pissed as all get out that we were so blatantly attacked and the buildings that I watched being built as a youngster growing up in NY and visited, were destroyed by terrorists and someone was trying to say it was not terrorists? No way, I would prove them wrong. But the more I looked, the more questions, anomalies, and blatant contradictions arose and I couldn't knock a few of them down no matter how hard I tried. Therefore, I began to seriously doubt the official line and look further into it.

For example I have clips of a CNN reporter, Jamie Macentyre, at the Pentagon on 9/11 specifically saying that there was absolutely no plane wreckage, fuselage, etc. Then, a few years later, when the government released a 1 second video of a "plane" hitting the Pentagon this same reporter reports on that day that he was there and saw all kinds of plane wreckage. A complete contradiction and a blatant lie and no one in the major media questioned it. How could someone in his position be so wrong and no one question it? Look at the videos for yourself. Here is complete unedited version of his interview on 9/11 You decide for yourself. There are many other contradictions from live reports and live footage of that day if one looks and discounts the real nuts.

BTW Mr. Mcentyre was released from CNN in 2008 and is nowhere to be found in major media but can be found blogging at military.com. You'd think someone with 16 yrs as Senior Pentagon Reporter for CNN would still be a major reporter somewhere and not a lowly blogger. So much for telling the truth of what he actually saw that day. No one will hire him! Sad, very sad.

@mohamed: I did not look at your video yet, but I will, but this is the first time I have ever seen those pictures and I do not believe it for one minute as I have researched this also for the past 9 years. Someone is definitely putting out some false information with photoshop to take away from serious researchers like Dr. Wood as Hezam and Frustrated Dave alluded to above. You should be posting videos from Dr. Wood's site and not from actual conspiracy nuts who have their own agenda, which may well be "planned foolishness" to make serious researchers look the same.

As I said before, whatever side you are on, the truth will never come out unless a major political figure comes forth and admits it. Until then we will have to agree to disagree, but whatever you do, don't ignore fact like Dr. Wood puts forth as, like Galileo, and others after him, the truth will eventually come out and you can't, no matter how hard you try, ignore fact.
 
I was wondering if you were going to respond to this thread Pachipro.

I really don't feel the need to go into a whole debate into debunking your theories, partly because after watching my closest friend go into this trap of thinking, I realized that I could provide no end of evidence and logic that could persuade him otherwise. It was a waste if my time. It was only when he contacted a world-renowned activist academic who also stated his belief in official narrative, my friend changed his mind. I really don't believe that you'll change yours regardless of how much evidence I put in.

In general one of the deep beliefs behind many of the 9/11 truthers, is that there is scientific evidence that shows otherwise... as if science is some sort of stamp of legitimacy that there can only be one interpretation of and is incorruptible by human biases and beliefs.

Personally my work involves what is considered the "social sciences." When you talk about decisionmaking in government its not an abstract concept; its real for me… I live and breathe it every day of my life in a way few are able to. In examining this topic, I care deeply about research design and evidence because it is critical for publishing. Mine comes from my experience of participating in government policymaking and research into policy events. I've watched a policy been made from inside and outside of government, detailing the perspectives and viewpoints that informed its creation and implementation. I've met or interviewed hundreds of very senior officials, politicians, generals and bureaucrats. I'd submit that many you suggest are evil and the like. I've met "neo conservatives" and even Henry Kissinger. Many of these people you've labeled "evil." In my research and experience of interacting with them, I've come to understand the reasoning behind the policies they have decided and implemented. When I match them to the primary source documentation, other interviews, reports on the ground and post-facto accounts, I get a very accurate sense if how it happens. I've done this for a number of different events, including 9/11, which has allowed me to create a general sense of how government operates which I can extrapolate for different situations. From my perspective, up close and seeing these people work on policy issues makes the whole conspiracy movement look ridiculous. While government may look like an imposing amorphous entity with shadowy characters, beneath this skin it's a far less effective than it once seemed.

I don't really expect any of you to be convinced. Frankly I find the argument that "I haven't done the research" among one of the most ironic and laughable I've heard. The claim that piecing together some circumstantial events hacked from some news sources by people with little experience with government is a more accurate than observing individuals in their element, gathering source material and drawing together all news sources, ridiculous. What is the scientific gold standard here?

This isn't to say that politicians and policymakers are angels and they do nothing wrong. They screw up a lot, either through error or malfeasance. I'm regularly reminded of a quote by Pressman and Wildavsky in their masterwork, Implementation:

When we say that programs have failed, this suggests we are surprised. If we thought from the beginning that they were unlikely to be successful, their failure to achieve stated goals or to work at all would not cry out for any special explanation. If we believed that intense conflicts of interests were involved, if people who had to cooperate were expected to be at loggerheads, if necessary resources were far beyond those available, we might wonder rather more why the programs were attempted instead of expressing amazement at their shortcomings.

I actually enjoy examining these failures to discover why they happened. Its what I do for a living.

Well that is my say… so at this point maybe I'll withdraw. I've made my point clear and I'm sure its not going to make one iota of difference. I'm almost positive you're going to claim I'm one of three things;

1 – misguided or easily manipulated,
2 – ignorant.
3 - intellectually dishonest

Spending my time making counter arguments on any or all three is something I'd rather avoid. It's a silly conversation given the reality of my life, and I'd rather do something productive. So, you're welcome to bash away. I'll enjoy your responses.
 
noyhauser,i have alot of questions for you and i don't know if you have the time to answer or rather if you welcome my questions.

Anyway,If you look at what the US achieved after 9/11 you will think again about it,at least you will have some evidences.
You can't get it unless you have enough information about the past 8 decades.
 
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