Is critical thinking taught in the Middle East?

Emoni

先輩
Joined
20 Sep 2003
Messages
1,779
Reaction score
67
First, if you are not certain what I am referring to by "critical thinking" please watch this short youtube video that explains the concept in a simple, but very well done, manner.



Now on to the question itself.

I've noticed that there have been many posters from the Middle East in the past year. Many of the posts and arguments given by these posters has unfortunately shown a serious lack of ability for forming a sensible argument, often instead depending on opinion, highly questionable sources, sometimes racist assumptions about the world, and strong religious bias and refusal to reconsider any position. Numerous topics have been related to religion in some way, and I initially thought that the blind faith of religious thought may be the reason for this lack of ability to think critically about topics, especially those connected in anyway to their religious belief; however, now I wonder if it goes beyond that.

Before people mistake this thread as a racist rant itself against the Middle East, or even religion, let me clear some things up. I'm not speaking of ethnicity or race in any degree, but rather the region which includes a variety of different cultures and ethnicity. I'm not speaking of religion in this thread, but rather patterns and focuses of education that would allow such critical thinking to be promoted or prevented. Finally, I'm not saying that "all people from the Middle East can't think critical like us amazing people NOT from the Middle East can," as I know many people from the Middle East who think critically and provide well constructed arguments.

Yet, almost every single post I've seen recently from a poster from the Middle East on a serious topic has been almost entirely void of a coherent logic argument to support each posters statement, and while you clearly cannot label an entire region based on a small selection of the population in a specific setting (which I'm not attempting to do) it did bring into my mind the question of critical thinking taught within this region of rather heavy religious faith, strong hatred towards Israel, and which seems to view western thought with leery apprehension or outright opposition.

Of course, due to my relative ignorance of the region in general since it is not my area of expertise, I'm mostly dependent on that very population of posters for the answer.

Therefore, with the above said, these are my questions.


1) Is critical thinking taught in any direct way in education in the Middle East?

2) If taught, at what period in education is critical thinking presented and in what form? In the US, it seems to be late high school and early college when it is first seriously presented (which seems to be a bit too late). Often it appears through essay writing, or science classes, but essays themselves seem to be the focus of these and some professors I know say it is the entire point of a four year college degree.

3) What is the minimum required level of education in the Middle East country you speak of?

4) What is the common level of education attained in the Middle East country you speak of?


Thanks.



(Note: Each of these questions will depend on the country obviously. Also, understand that any of these questions could apply to other regions as well, but since I'm curious specifically about the Middle East, that is why I'm asking these questions as well. It could easily be argued that the US itself is still in desperate need of critical thinking education just by looking at the news!)
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I agree it's an issue that needs to be dealt with in the US (just got done chatting with NiceGaijin about this), but since the Middle East is a region I know little about, I wanted to explore the issue there instead.
 
Thinking critically, I'm not sure your thesis can be accepted from the limited data you use.

I agree that we can seem to be knocking our heads against the wall with these Middle-Easterners, but there are cultural differences involved, I suspect. I also don't know much about ME education. Is everyone taught in a madrassa ?(I'm not sure of the word--I mean an Islamic religious school.)

If so, and if that means what they mainly do there is recite and discuss the Koran, then I can't help but wonder if they tend to place far too much weight on received wisdom.
 
Thinking critically, I'm not sure your thesis can be accepted from the limited data you use.

I agree that we can seem to be knocking our heads against the wall with these Middle-Easterners, but there are cultural differences involved, I suspect. I also don't know much about ME education. Is everyone taught in a madrassa ?(I'm not sure of the word--I mean an Islamic religious school.)

If so, and if that means what they mainly do there is recite and discuss the Koran, then I can't help but wonder if they tend to place far too much weight on received wisdom.

That's why I made it clear that my "thesis" isn't based off the forum posts as a sample, but rather triggered my curiosity on this subject itself instead. That's why I'm curious about what is being taught in ME (guess we agreed this stands for Middle East now) schools and what parts of it relate to critical thinking itself in the region and selected countries.
 
First,I understand what you mean,And i want to tell you that the education here is like ****.
I can't even tell you what they teach us..excepting the Islamic subjects,the other subjects are very stupid and useless,The same subjects since 15 years ago and no changes !!!!!

I know someone will say "Oh man you should not tell" Nooooo i have to tell what type of crap they are teaching here.

You know what ? in my school life,There is three or four things i made,This is one of what i made :
http://www.pc1.free.fr/images/m.lampe.gif

1) Is critical thinking taught in any direct way in education in the Middle East?
Not here at least...they have no time for this,It's a very old subject called "Al-mantiq" i think.

2) If taught, at what period in education is critical thinking presented and in what form? In the US, it seems to be late high school and early college when it is first seriously presented (which seems to be a bit too late). Often it appears through essay writing, or science classes, but essays themselves seem to be the focus of these and some professors I know say it is the entire point of a four year college degree.
I don't think they taught it !

3) What is the minimum required level of education in the Middle East country you speak of?
Professor,PhD.

4) What is the common level of education attained in the Middle East country you speak of?
maybe Professor,PhD...

Actually people needs more subjects and not any subjects,We need Canadian or American or Egyptian teahers,Not from here,they are not serious,they are lazy,mad guys,And we barely understand what they say !

That's why many people woke up and made many TV programs about the education especially the Japanese life style.
One of these programs is "Khawater" ( Thoughts ) about Japan.

Thanks for the good topic,Hope we have better education here.
 
Emoni, thanks for that YouTube link. I've tried to explain critical thinking on another board where I moderate, to no avail. The board is inhabited mainly by Americans.

Maybe your link will help -- but I'm not counting on it.
 
DEFINITELY not the response I was expecting actually Hezam. Interesting.

Although, I think there be a bit of miss-communication. You're saying that the minimum education required is PhD, and then the average education everyone obtains is a PhD. Did you think I meant to teach at a university? I'm speaking of the general public.
 
Did you think I meant to teach at a university? I'm speaking of the general public.
Lol yes.

Edit : the minimum education required is university.
 
"Edit : the minimum education required is university." - Hezam

"Otherwise they execute you?" - Me

Emoni, weren't you asking for the mandatory level of education in his country? The grade number or level (elementary, middle school, high school, college) the law says that citizens must have?

Hezam, is everyone in your country required by law to go to university? If they don't go to university, what is the penalty?
 
Yes, that is what I was asking. I didn't quite understand the execute response though :P

But yeah, what Roland clarified is what I am asking.
 
Lol,WTH ! it's your choice to go or to stay at home or work wherever you want :D
I really want to know how you imagine it here !!!!!! It's very normal life guys !!
You can't find a good job without university education level,that's what i meant.

when i read "execute" i thought you mean death penalty :D
 
Lol,WTH ! it's your choice to go or to stay at home or work wherever you want :D
I really want to know how you imagine it here !!!!!! It's very normal life guys !!
You can't find a good job without university education level,that's what i meant.

when i read "execute" i thought you mean death penalty :D

He did, he was joking.

So it sounds like, if you are correct, there is NO mandatory education that must be attended at all. Are you sure of that? In the United States, I believe by law mandatory education is grade school and junior high school.
 
Wait,You mean to get a job like teacher or police man ...etc ?
Government job ? of course you need at least high school.
 
It's nothing to do with getting a job, Hezam. We have laws here that kids must go to school through a certain level.

And yes, I was joking about executing (giving the death penalty to) those who skip school.
 
No,you don't have to study at all !
That's why i said the education here is too bad.
 
Thanks Tsuyokiko, that clears that up at least. It didn't quite make sense that NO education at all was ok for Saudi Arabia. Although, I'm surprised the US is listed at 12, not sure why but I thought it was only till junior high school. I must have gotten that confused with Japan in some weird way?
 
I know critical thinking is taught at UK schools now, but I am not sure at what age they start. Some of the cubs (ages 8-11) have mentioned doing some of it at scholl, but I am aware that from about 14 onwards it is taught.
When I was at school (no age jokes, thank you) it was just part of the lesson you were in, especially in the sciences. We were taught to question.

Hezam, you need to escape Saudi and get yourself to a university in the west.
 
Hezam, you need to escape Saudi and get yourself to a university in the west.

Agreed. As much as he frustrates me to no end (a lot lol), he's got potential and he makes the effort that 90% of humanity doesn't usually make. Considering education and accomplishing things in life is mostly effort, that says an awful lot in my opinion.

At least try for some sort of study abroad maybe. Just watch out for the "southern states" if you go to the US... they'll assume you're a terrorist or something crazy. :p Europe might have some good schools. I wouldn't recommend Japan from what I have experienced so far, at least not for anything undergrad.
 
I stoped studying,I am working now,I couldn't complete the university here in Saudi arabia because non-saudi people are not allowed to study in the Saudi Universtities....Hope you understand why i said the education is bad here..
I got 95% in the last year in the high school here but they did not accept my request to study in the university ! see !

Some of my friends went to Malaysia to study,some of them moved to the US...One of them completed the university in Yemen with high marks but he could not find a job !

Crap X crap....

In Egypt,as some egyptian friends told me,you can choose your Course but you can't teach that course,I mean :
If i choose critical thinking,you might graduate a veterinarian,It's really weird systems here.
That's why people here is very mad and act emotionaly.

It's really painfull when i see people who graduated and got good jobs...You can imagine that.
 
Back
Top Bottom